Julia
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+1. This has been the case throughout this thread. i.e. when any of us have contradicted the notion offered that the investors had no responsibility for accepting advice offered we have been targeted with abuse.Remember that this forum is primarily here to educate people on financial matters, not to make people feel better about their mistakes. If I was having a private conversation with an ex storm client I'd never point out their mistakes to them unless they asked. There's no point rubbing salt into the wound. But this is a public forum that new investors come to learn form. Every time you try to lay 100% of the blame at the feet of the advisers and lenders it sends a message to new investors that it's unnecessary to monitor your own investments. That's not a message we should encourage. Unless of course you want someone else to get caught in the next flawed investment scheme that pops up, because I guarantee you there will be another.
Lone Wolf,
Expressing amazement with respect to the understanding of the implementation of due process, is not expressing criticism.
I have been a passive observer of this thread of late and have been hesitant in passing a view.
It amazes me that some participants of this thread display a lack of understanding of what are the current matters that are before the bench.
There has been no breach of any law, act, regulation or subordinate legislation by an investor who made the decision to invest in Storm.
What is being tested is not the investors decision to invest.
Opinions of what actions investors should have taken are of no consequence, carry no authority and are not enforceable in regard to the current actions that are underway.
I am of the view that it would be beneficial if matters do go to trial. It would also be extremely beneficial to observe the transparency and the body of evidence.
S
Hi gang, it's been a while.
Frankly, I'm surprised this is still being talked about, and from about two years ago, it appears this forum thread moves in circles, with the same arguments rearing their head over and over again. Most Storm victims have simply realised that this is a lost cause and that putting faith in the legal system is just going to lead to disappointment.
I got out of Storm when the sheet was hitting the fan (after demanding to be sold out when I realised that Storm/the bank wasn't going to inform me of a margin call), but still came away with a loss. I've learned my lesson about paying for a service and not getting that service doesn't mean you are protected by law.
Personally, I want to see the Cassimatis's get their come-uppence. The only winners at the moment are going to lawyers sadly.
You expressed amazement at the lack of understanding other poster have about legal matters when it was clear that they weren't discussing legal matters. My apologies if I mistook your comment as an attempt to belittle others.
Carry on.
Thank you Lone Wolf,
I suppose because I have had many touch points with the ongoing events in this saga,
I have formed a view that not many others in this thread may share.
I have always held the belief that it is reasonable to expect that when a person engages a qualified professional organisation for expert advice, the advice offered should be of the highest impeccable standard.
I realise others may feel that forums such as this offer a platform to educate, inform and bring awareness of the strengths and pitfalls of investing. Unfortunately I believe the real impact of platforms such as this are limited in their effectiveness by lack of reach.
My view is that a more effective form of protection can only be effected through legislation, regulation and enforcement. Then followed by punitive measures for breaches and non-compliance.
S
Thank you Lone Wolf,
I suppose because I have had many touch points with the ongoing events in this saga,
I have formed a view that not many others in this thread may share.
I have always held the belief that it is reasonable to expect that when a person engages a qualified professional organisation for expert advice, the advice offered should be of the highest impeccable standard.
I realise others may feel that forums such as this offer a platform to educate, inform and bring awareness of the strengths and pitfalls of investing. Unfortunately I believe the real impact of platforms such as this are limited in their effectiveness by lack of reach.
My view is that a more effective form of protection can only be effected through legislation, regulation and enforcement. Then followed by punitive measures for breaches and non-compliance.
S
I don't believe anyone disagrees with that. Yes, if you pay for a service you deserve to get what you paid for. Yes, if the service you receive does not match what was promised then there needs to be compensation. Yes, there should be regulation and enforcement of financial advice. And yes, forums like these have limited ability to educate people due to their lack of reach.
So here we are on this forum. You seem to suggest that attempting to educate people is mostly a wasted effort due to lack of reach. But this forum has absolutely zero impact on legislation. So do we give up trying to help people altogether and hope that someday legislation will actually protect people before they get hurt rather than after? It is my personal belief that many more people will be hurt by bad financial advice before your ideal world becomes a reality. So until that time, I am in favor of trying to reach out to the few people we can. If even one person avoids the hardship of financial devastation due to comments on this thread, is that not worthwhile?
I also believe legislation and regulation won't fix 100% of the problem. There is a lot of bad financial advice out there that's technically all above board. Many financial advisers are more like financial product salesmen. If you go in blind you could end up with something that is likely to damage your finances, yet at the same time it's a perfectly legitimate strategy that you won't be compensated for if it goes bad. How does legislation, regulation and enforcement help people who simply received bad advice?
+1. This has been the case throughout this thread. i.e. when any of us have contradicted the notion offered that the investors had no responsibility for accepting advice offered we have been targeted with abuse.
That doesn't help anyone and is entirely counterproductive. .
I think the Bad Investment decision could be placed at the feet of the so called Professional Advisers that gave the Financial Advice and those who funded it.
OK. I regret raising it again, however. We've been through it over and over. The thread had moved on to being more constructive so I apologise for discussing the issue again.Julia
This phenomenon has occurred throughout history - I believe it's called 'shooting the messenger'.
Thank you Lone Wolf,
I suppose because I have had many touch points with the ongoing events in this saga,
I have formed a view that not many others in this thread may share.
I have always held the belief that it is reasonable to expect that when a person engages a qualified professional organisation for expert advice, the advice offered should be of the highest impeccable standard.
I realise others may feel that forums such as this offer a platform to educate, inform and bring awareness of the strengths and pitfalls of investing. Unfortunately I believe the real impact of platforms such as this are limited in their effectiveness by lack of reach.
My view is that a more effective form of protection can only be effected through legislation, regulation and enforcement. Then followed by punitive measures for breaches and non-compliance.
S
Hi Solly,
I couldn't agree with you more!
Some on this forum just don’t get it! In fact I have come to the conclusion from reading through the recent comments of some posters that they never will which makes my efforts to explain any wrongdoings in law that have taken place somewhat pointless.
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What also has become obvious to me is that some people that claim that they know better than we when it comes to financial matters are not across the consumer laws that govern such. If they were, they would better understand the issues at play here and we would have moved on a long time ago.
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