A lot of it is luck with ending up with those extraordinary ones but you have stacked the odds in your favour by choosing good businesses. Still, your return is out of this world. You've mention various times that your style is to buy good businesses and hold them. In the long run though, I would not think it would be possible to sustain those levels of returns unless you sell out and invest the proceeds again. No business can keep pumping out 35% growth in the long run. You've managed to do it for 12 years now though, do you think you could sustain it into the future?
I disagree.
This has to be the best long term trading result I've EVER seen anywhere by anyone. 42% after tax is stellar.
162 Trades and NEVER losing 1R is mind boggling.
You take 14 trades a month yet hold on average 909 days---clearly showing that your trading inside your holdings
A lot of it is luck with ending up with those extraordinary ones but you have stacked the odds in your favour by choosing good businesses. Still, your return is out of this world. You've mention various times that your style is to buy good businesses and hold them. In the long run though, I would not think it would be possible to sustain those levels of returns unless you sell out and invest the proceeds again. No business can keep pumping out 35% growth in the long run. You've managed to do it for 12 years now though, do you think you could sustain it into the future?
Craft this is phenomenal. Well done.
I knew you were the man but to this extent I was unaware.
This is what the performance statistics of the closed trades looks like for this fund this year. Each individual parcel is counted as a trade. So the 162 trades is indicating more the multiple parcels nature of entries and exits rather than a high turnover of the portfolio.
Any thoughts on what your after tax returns would have been if the portfolio had been outside of super?
I'm with the others, craft - you are the man.
From your perspective, could I ask how "systematic" or how subjective your approach is? I simply mean, how much of a process/checklist do you follow? Or perhaps; how easy or difficult would it be for you to teach your stock selection (including buying / selling process) to, say, your adult child or a best friend?
I'm not the man - I'm just me.
Its not systematic - It does involve judgement.
I learnt it so it can be learnt, I seriously doubt that I could teach it - communication doesn't appear to be my strong suit.
From what I have observed you have to have a pre-inclination towards long term investing before any of the concepts seem to stick. If you have this pre-inclination there is plenty of great information out there - dare I say it just start with Buffett.
I am guessing that, if you were to detail the same set of statistics on a marked-to-market basis (which I understand is pointless in your strategy), it would be a lot less freakish?
P.S. If you ever start a managed fund can you PLEASE send me an application form?
Interesting question
At a guess I would say 50% of return is dividend or short term capital gain subject to 15% tax rate and the remainder is long term Capital Gain subject to 10% so a effective tax rate of ~12.5% in the SMSF.
If your aim was to accumulate a decent amount outside super the logical tax structure would be a company (probably linked to a trust for distribution flexibility) so worst case tax rate would be 30% whilst accumulating and marginal rates when drawing down.
If we make the same accrual for tax on unrealised capital gains like is done in the SMSF then the after tax return outside super by my calcs would come down to 25.3% (31.6%/.875*.7)
100K compounded @ 25.3% for 11 years = 1.195Million.
100K compounded @ 31.6% for 11 years = 2.050Million.
The tax structure is very significant to the balance of the fund even if the difference in the after tax rates doesn’t seem that huge. If you add in the benefit of concessional contribution the effect would be even larger.
It’s worth also not forgetting that the accrued tax liability on unrealised gains will eventually be treated very differently – current legislation sees any liability forgiven in the SMSF when you move to pension phase, not so in the company, ie the true after tax return in the SMSF is probably higher than 31.6% depending on how much capital gain is eventually carried through to pension phase.
Eventually the capital accumulated in the company will have to be distributed at marginal rates in retirement. Currently distribution from super in retirement are tax free. (I suspect that can't & probably shouldn't last - at least not for large balances)
FY14/15 return was 47.1% before tax 42% after tax although the difference between these two number to a large extent won’t be paid to the ATO any time soon as a lot of it stays in the fund as deferred tax liability until long term positions are sold.
I have stayed pretty well fully invested for quite a while now.
Yep I tend to stick to a pretty small number of stocks. In fact I have a min 10(when fully invested) and Max 15 rule for the SMSF. I tend to think of my portfolio as a team and I’m the selector – new stocks have to force themselves in by being better businesses then already in the team. Although separate to this I do pick up small quantities of stocks that have the potential to make the top 15. I research better once I have even a small position – mostly they get put back down again after a bit of a feel (accounting for a few more transactions)
This is craft ...
Thing is I have made 10’s of Millions from very little in the market on purely a private account. Maybe subconsciously I just want acknowledgement from people who understand how difficult and I suspect rare that is (yet I had never quantified the amount before)
The 12th set of financials for the SMSF will be produced in a bit over a month. CAGR on total funds over that period is still likely to be 35%+ and with 16 years to preservation age. The snowball is starting to get ridiculous, I having trouble dreaming big enough and I don’t want the responsibility – Just some family financial security is all that we were trying to achieve.
Happy journeys.
For the 2014/15 FY alone, the probability of a 47.1% year total pre-tax return outcome is crudely estimated at 0.5%.
On the basis of a fully invested, unlevered, buy-hold portfolio (days held average for realised positions is well above this period) with an effective diversification of 8 stocks (to allow for concentration into a smaller number of names within the portfolio) drawn from the ASX 200 which survived the year.
Yes.Are you able to explain how the above probability is calculated
Tough challenge...in simple terms...???
probability
Hey craft
I'm not sure if relevant. But have you ever compared the underlying (weighted) P/E ratio of your portfolio to the ASX 200 or 300?
I'd be curious to see how this had tracked over time if you keep this data. A statistical experiment, if nothing else.
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