Skilled Immigration Changes

Sidamo · 11 February 2010

disarray said:
yeah it's great that you have an active imagination about the motives and eventual contribution of illegal immigrants coming to australia, but that doesn't change the fact that we have laws and procedures to govern the movement of people into and out of the country, and illegal immigrants blatantly ignore these rules and so obviously do not respect our sovereignity.

If a country is a signatory to the UN Convention on Refugees, then asylum seekers are legally allowed to show up on its doorsteps by whatever means they like, without visas or travel documents and claim asylum. It is not illegal, no matter what Howard/Hanson et al may say.

Woodsy58 · 11 February 2010

disarray said:
lol the "you're not an aboriginal" card. original. maybe go one step further and do the "we're all migrants from africa!". ignore all the economic, social and cultural development of australia in the last 200 years and just say "not indigenous? no right to an opinion" and be done with it.

Hey Disarray, I never implied that you had no right to an opinion, just that the logic of your argument was flawed.
I dont think anyone believes that we should just let anyone into the country but we really need to improve the way we are doing it at the moment.

Happy · 11 February 2010

Woodsy58 said:
I think Sidamo has made a good point, and as PJ O'rourke said recently while debating this subject" if someone is willing to spend all the money they own and risk their life, and the lives of their family just for the chance to live in our country, why would we not want them here?"

If the same person wants something later on while in Australia already, will not hesitate to use the same ransom technique, after all it paid off once before already, didn’t it?

We actively allow for lawbreakers to enter, what guarantee we have that they will not break law again?

I am not saying that we don't have lawbreakers here already, far from it, but why have more?

Woodsy58 · 19 February 2010

Happy said:
If the same person wants something later on while in Australia already, will not hesitate to use the same ransom technique, after all it paid off once before already, didn’t it?

We actively allow for lawbreakers to enter, what guarantee we have that they will not break law again?

I am not saying that we don't have lawbreakers here already, far from it, but why have more?

Then we need to sort out our immigration policy and the time it takes for people to be assessed if we want them to follow the rules.
And I still believe that people with no particular skills should not be barred from coming to live in this country, many people arrive here with nothing and go on to add some real value to this country, and some do not.
Why are we allowing those who do not, that is those who do not work and pay taxes and those who commit crimes, stay in this country is the real question.

Julia · 19 February 2010

Woodsy58 said:
Why are we allowing those who do not, that is those who do not work and pay taxes and those who commit crimes, stay in this country is the real question.

Um, what do you propose we do with them, assuming they were born here?

mullokintyre · 2 April 2024

Whatever the lauded hopes of skilled immigration might be, it would seem that they have been somewhat misplaced.
From Macro business

The Committee for Economic Development of Australia (CEDA) argues in a new report that the nation’s pool of skilled migrants is being underutilised.

CEDA’s senior economist, Andrew Barker, says recent migrants earn significantly less than Australian-born workers, and many are in jobs that are beneath their skill level.

“Recent migrants earn significantly less than Australian-born workers, and this has worsened over time”, Barker said.

“Weaker English skills and lack of skills recognition are preventing us from making the most of migrants’ skills and experience, with discrimination likely also having an impact”.

“Many still work in jobs beneath their skill level, despite often having been selected precisely for the experience and knowledge they bring”.

The report shows that migrants who have been in Australia for two to six years earn more than 10% less than Australian-born workers on average.

But the most damning part is that the so called skill shortage is not being reflected in the hgher end jobs that we are supposedly lacking .

SirRumpole · 2 April 2024

mullokintyre said:
CEDA’s senior economist, Andrew Barker, says recent migrants earn significantly less than Australian-born workers, and many are in jobs that are beneath their skill level.

Some overseas qualifications aren't worth the paper they are written on.

Some are better than Aussie quals but those people usually have high paying jobs somewhere else.

More notice should be taken of actual capability, not just having a piece of paper that could be bought online.

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