Simon Crean for PM?

JimBob · 17 July 2011

Apologies if there is already a thread on this.

Betting has been suspended on Simon Crean for our next PM after he firmed from $101 or more last week to $11 today. Can a leadership spill be on the cards? Surely someone has some inside info for the odds to change this much, anyone know any more about this?

drsmith · 17 July 2011

Perhaps Julia Gillard is more aware of her present situation than it seems and she has placed a big bet on her own downfall.

Julia · 17 July 2011

JimBob said:
Apologies if there is already a thread on this.

Betting has been suspended on Simon Crean for our next PM after he firmed from $101 or more last week to $11 today. Can a leadership spill be on the cards? Surely someone has some inside info for the odds to change this much, anyone know any more about this?

Interesting. Let's not forget he had a go at the leadership and failed dismally.
He seems to be a decent bloke, pretty straightforward for a politician. Just lacked gravitas or any sort of political presence. Certainly he'd be better than any of the present leadership team.

noco · 17 July 2011

Julia said:
Interesting. Let's not forget he had a go at the leadership and failed dismally.
He seems to be a decent bloke, pretty straightforward for a politician. Just lacked gravitas or any sort of political presence. Certainly he'd be better than any of the present leadership team.

As per my post #1158 "Labors carbon tax lie", it has been predicted both Gillard and her stupid carbon tax will be history come August.

Crean is now the hot favorite and if it does happen I would predict a substantial rise in the polls in favor of Labor. I would say if Crean was to become Prime Minister, he would have a massive reshuffle of cabinet.

I doubt if Gillard will hang around like Rudd did in June last year.

tayser · 17 July 2011

erm... hate to break it to you but Crean and Gillard are the 2 left-faction VIC ALP bigwigs - Crean was a mentor for her!. Yeah backstabbing can occur from anyone..... but Rudd was a right-faction (and a Qoinslander ) member who had the support of NSW right and VIC right. Would be stupidly funny if her mentor tapped her on the shoulder...

Gillard scored NSW right and VIC right support in the Krudd knifing - fast forward to today NSW Right is hopelessly demoralised after their shelacking in the NSW election and the VIC factions - although in the same boat state election-wise - are far more influential (the loss here was no where near as great in NSW). Victoria is the country's daddy at the moment.

On the flipside - the Mad monk is a dry crusty tory and Malcolm Turnbull/Joe Hockey are in the small thinking faction of the Liberal party - that's where the friction is - Abbott would probably never be knifed by Bishop.

medicowallet · 17 July 2011

tayser said:
Would be stupidly funny if her mentor tapped her on the shoulder...

Might be better than seeing her break.

I think labor's only chance is to ditch her, and the greens and go to another election without a carbon tax vs Abbott with a direct action plan.

Chances of Labor winning, I put it at 10%

Chances of them winning with a carbon tax, well, I'd almost prefer to back NSW for next year's State of Origin.

noco · 18 July 2011

tayser said:
erm... hate to break it to you but Crean and Gillard are the 2 left-faction VIC ALP bigwigs - Crean was a mentor for her!. Yeah backstabbing can occur from anyone..... but Rudd was a right-faction (and a Qoinslander ) member who had the support of NSW right and VIC right. Would be stupidly funny if her mentor tapped her on the shoulder...

Gillard scored NSW right and VIC right support in the Krudd knifing - fast forward to today NSW Right is hopelessly demoralised after their shelacking in the NSW election and the VIC factions - although in the same boat state election-wise - are far more influential (the loss here was no where near as great in NSW). Victoria is the country's daddy at the moment.

On the flipside - the Mad monk is a dry crusty tory and Malcolm Turnbull/Joe Hockey are in the small thinking faction of the Liberal party - that's where the friction is - Abbott would probably never be knifed by Bishop.

Veeerrry in-ter-est-ing but not funny.

Logique · 18 July 2011

JimBob said:
Apologies if there is already a thread on this.
Betting has been suspended on Simon Crean for our next PM after he firmed from $101 or more last week to $11 today. Can a leadership spill be on the cards? Surely someone has some inside info for the odds to change this much, anyone know any more about this?

JB, if Congress and the President can't get it together soon on the US debt ceiling and QE, that could very well precipitate the internal coup de grace for the ALP Leadership. A new tax in the background of extreme market uncertainty? Not likely.

Crean is of the Left (former union leader), and likely to be one of the more palatable and steady choices.

Garpal Gumnut · 20 March 2013

He may the only bloke able to mount a tilt at JG.

I cannot get any information this afternoon on his chances.

gg

drsmith · 20 March 2013

Garpal Gumnut said:
I cannot get any information this afternoon on his chances.

It's all gone very quiet.

The calm before the storm ??

MrBurns · 20 March 2013

Creans change in attitude shows he's very interested in taking over if given the chance.

An Australia with Simon Crean as PM makes me ill, but Gillard does too, great position we are in isn't it.

IFocus · 20 March 2013

tayser said:
erm... hate to break it to you but Crean and Gillard are the 2 left-faction VIC ALP bigwigs - Crean was a mentor for her!. Yeah backstabbing can occur from anyone..... but Rudd was a right-faction (and a Qoinslander ) member who had the support of NSW right and VIC right. Would be stupidly funny if her mentor tapped her on the shoulder...

Gillard scored NSW right and VIC right support in the Krudd knifing - fast forward to today NSW Right is hopelessly demoralised after their shelacking in the NSW election and the VIC factions - although in the same boat state election-wise - are far more influential (the loss here was no where near as great in NSW). Victoria is the country's daddy at the moment.

On the flipside - the Mad monk is a dry crusty tory and Malcolm Turnbull/Joe Hockey are in the small thinking faction of the Liberal party - that's where the friction is - Abbott would probably never be knifed by Bishop.

Hope you realise your accurate summation is far to complex for shrill of the excited torys making predictions of leadership change.

drsmith · 20 March 2013

IFocus said:
Hope you realise your accurate summation is far to complex for shrill of the excited torys making predictions of leadership change.

There's panic at the station,

Senior ministers, including Trade Minister Craig Emerson and others, embarked on a charm offensive on Wednesday to shore up support for Ms Gillard among worried Labor MPs.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-numbers-game-20130320-2gfxh.html

Macquack · 20 March 2013

MrBurns said:
An Australia with Simon Crean as PM makes me ill, but Gillard does too, great position we are in isn't it.

Spit it out Burns, any Prime Minister who is Labor makes you ill.

How has the last six years affected your health?

drsmith · 20 March 2013

Macquack said:
Spit it out Burns, any Prime Minister who is Labor makes you ill.

The true believers by now will be yearning for the return of Gough Whitlam.

Julia · 20 March 2013

Garpal Gumnut said:
He may the only bloke able to mount a tilt at JG.

I cannot get any information this afternoon on his chances.

gg

He had his go at the leadership and failed dismally. If they were to bring him back at this stage, they would look even more desperate and dishevelled than they do now.

Garpal Gumnut · 20 March 2013

drsmith said:
There's panic at the station,

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/the-numbers-game-20130320-2gfxh.html

There is not unfortunately.

I've just done a ring a round of 14 ALP MHR's and all had gone to bed and would not comment.

Roos in the spotlight.

gg

drsmith · 20 March 2013

Garpal Gumnut said:
I've just done a ring a round of 14 ALP MHR's and all had gone to bed and would not comment.

Regardless of whether they're in bed or not, they won't sleep.

Garpal Gumnut said:
Roos in the spotlight.

That's not where they want to stay with a big truck full of angry voters bearing down upon them.

Garpal Gumnut · 21 March 2013

Simon Crean is the only person to come out of today's shambolic navel gazing by the ALP with any credit.

gg

MrBurns · 21 March 2013

Garpal Gumnut said:
Simon Crean is the only person to come out of today's shambolic navel gazing by the ALP with any credit.

gg

Kevin Rudd disappointed hundreds of thousands of Labor supporters and came away looking like a gutless weakling.

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