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Silver price discussion and analysis

just to eiterate that the reason for my pessimism on the rout of the Big 4 BVanks adn their manipulation of the silver market, this piece by Chuck Butler from a few years ago highlights how the administration just keep on putting roadblocks in the way of ckeaning up the silver manipulation/.
I have been a follower of Chuck Butler for over thirty years, and his message has not changed.
The blatant manupulation of the silver price has been going for at least that long, nad I don't see how it will be stopped short of blowing up the whole financial system.
Mick
 
I do not believe the brics are that interested in silver, so manipulation is going on and silver underpriced
Whereas with gold, every manipulation is helping the brics to buy ever more gold at cheaper price, a game where the US is a clear loser...
So the gap in the silver Gold ratio might increase..
Still a good trade so far
 

There's a lot of chatter about that the fleet from USD is the cause of PMs going up, but there's not a lot of clear evidence of that over the past few months, even when gold and silver have shot up. Someone is pushing the price up and it's not mum and dad investors or internet chat sites. I doubt hedge funds have even started accumulating. I suspect China, Russia, and India have boatloads of the stuff in transit for a rainy day. If I knew the head of JPM I'd be on the phone.
 
Silver now over US$34 an ounce. I didn't really think the price would surge this far this quickly. What is driving it? Could the BRICS summit this Tuesday to Thursday in Kazan, Russia have anything to do with it? Is something significant to be announced?
 

There's reports of Israel planning something more significant to Iran other than just a few bombs. Like, regime change level. Secret plans were leaked last Friday. That might be enough for PMs to have run this hard the past few days.

 

Yes, that would do it.

I've been hearing rumours of a new BRICS currency for some time now, one that is backed at least partially by hard assets such a precious metals. It's sometimes hard to distinguish rumour and speculation from reality so I'm not sure what their real intentions are, but it is clear that continued de-dollarisation is a focus of BRICS.
 

Massive inflation, global turmoil, collapse of the US and USD, desperate desire to look for any alternative to FIAT... it's the perfect storm for precious metals.

Over 10 years ago I posted about how stupid I thought gold's valuation was. If someone like me can become a gold bug, you know it's an extreme situation. In 2020 I was astonished and alarmed at the insanity the world embraced (I posted all about that at the time) and it was obvious that among the inevitable damage it would cause was heavy inflation. Over the next few years I was puzzled at precious metals not reacting. Once they did break out early this year it was obvious that it was a train you wanted to be on. We're now seeing the market wake up. I think this could well be a repeat of the 1980 and 2011 scenarios. I'll keep gold discussion for the gold thread, and while I don't know how high silver will actually go this time, if you adjust for inflation it was hundreds of dollars per ounce in January 1980. I doubt we'll see it go that high, but at the very least I'm expecting it to test $50 (it already did that in 2011, and if we adjust for inflation it was much higher than $50).

I'm not the only one who can see that. When the obvious target is so far ahead of the current price, you have one of those rare scenarios where the chart actually can go up in a straight line. Even though I've obviously been talking about that lately etc, I was surprised to see no pullback at all on a Monday morning after the big run on a Friday evening. The market very clearly sees where silver is going. We even have a significant short squeeze coming.
 
Panicked short covering on Monday could push it towards US$35 but that's just speculation.

It got to US$35 and then pulled back, which is what I expected. I didn't think it would get through that resistance the first time. I've been watching the price action and there is a lot of buying support. Those whales who are short do not have the same level of control as they did a few weeks ago. The market is biting back.

I'm surprised the pullback wasn't deeper. I was expecting a test of US$32.50 and if we get back there I will take a bullish position. Friday is often a sell off day for silver, so it wouldn't surprise me to see silver end the day lower.
 
Silver's breakout continues above that $32.20 ish level. Nice pop overnight. Anything with a silver in its name should have a good day.

Gold and silver are in clean air. It's fun to watch, but it's not real until you sell it.

 
The Silver price to gold price ratio is currently at 80.70 times ($2,779 USD divide by $34.44 USD), from history it averages at 50 times (based on history, Silver should be at $55.59 USD).

So, based on history, either Silver will increase in value or Gold will fall.

If world government/ state debt continues to increase, then Gold should either remain as is or increase, which means Silver should increase.
The only variable that occurs today, which did not occur previously in history, physical cash supply is declining due to more electronic payments occurring, so demand for silver used in coins will be down.

Chinas central bank is still buying gold (large demand). If USD increases then gold should increase as well.

While there is unrest in the world, Gold is a safe haven so should increase.

Appreciate any thoughts or further analysis on the above.
 
This is a snapshot from an AI bizzo I use on my Opera Browser. I trust it helps.




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Based on that Silver is

Thanks, based on the above and history, then Silver is undervalued, unless demand for the luxury goods fall off a cliff (Jewelry/ Silverware).
Exciting times!
Another way to see that is that 80% of silver is directly linked to the wealth of the economy:
In a recession or depression,:you do not buy jewellery, you sell it; and industrial use collapse.
I like the ratio story but in 2 minds with silver due to the above.
Heavily invested in gold and silver so this is critical for my portfolio.
Note: Recently took a little bit of profit from both gold and silver but still a PM bug!!
 



Truth can sometimes startle and Jeff Currie, Goldman Sachs’ Global Head of Commodities Research, did startle on February 4, 2021.
On that date, Currie informed the investing world that retail silver investors could never create enough demand to move the price of silver higher by buying silver Exchange Traded Funds (ETFs).

Currie stated “… The shorts are the ETFs. The ETFs buy the physical (silver metal). They turn around and sell on the COMEX to be able to hedge that physical position like any other Corporate. It’s not a naked short like in an equity.”

What was startling about those words was Currie’s apparent admission that silver ETFs were selling claims for metal bars that ETFs beneficially purchased and vaulted for their shareholders thereby creating metal supply into the market to the detriment of ETF shareholders.

Rehypothecation or utilizing client assets for your own purposes is illegal unless a client first agrees.
Further, Currie’s claim that ETFs shorting metal into the market, that is beneficially owned by ETF shareholders, is “hedging” by ETFs in nonsense.

ETFs purchase and hold silver metal for investor clients. The clients hold the risk of price movement on that asset, not the ETFs, and thus there is nothing for ETFs to hedge. Currie describes ETFs merely creating multiple claims on assets that are beneficially held for ETF shareholders.

Currie’s words can be heard here:


In August 2023, Currie left Goldman Sachs.

Blythe Masters States JPMorgan Only Hedges Metal That They Hold For Clients​

From 2007 to 2014, Blythe Masters was head of JPMorgan’s Global Commodities division that traded commodities including silver. In 2012, Masters addressed accusations that JPMorgan (JPM) manipulated silver prices by stating that JPM simply acted in markets to hedge metal that that they vaulted for clients, that JPM did not make directional bets, and that JPM maintained a “relatively flat book” when the assets that they vaulted were considered along with the hedging or short selling that JPM executed in the markets.

Masters further said that JPM acted for clients, had no interest in the direction of silver’s price, and that manipulation of silver’s price is “not part of our business model, it would be wrong, and we don’t do it”.

In September 2020, JPM paid a $920 million (M) fine for manipulating gold, silver, platinum, and palladium prices.

Masters’ words can be heard here:


Masters left JPM in 2014 after spending 27 years at JPM and operates a startup blockchain fintech company. In 2014 JPM sold its commodities business and paid $410M to settle an investigation for energy price manipulation within its Commodities group. JPM admitted no wrongdoing.

BlackRock operates the ‘SLV’ silver ETF that currently holds 481 million oz. of silver for its silver investor shareholders. Those silver bars are vaulted by JPMorgan at its vault facilities and the silver is maintained in a Trust by Bank of New York Mellon Corp for SLV.

JPM is a very active trader accounting for 44% of all US bank trading revenues. See: A Bank Regulator Provides a Frightening Look at the Trading Casino Jamie Dimon Has Built Inside His Federally-Insured Bank

A Difficult Situation​

If Jeff Currie is correct, ETFs have, over the years, sold short large amounts of their investors’ silver into the market without informing their client investors.

Blythe Masters stated that JPMorgan provides ‘hedges’ to clients and then turns around and acts in the markets to secure those hedges in the market.

The scope of the estimated 4.3B to 6.4B oz. of silver sold short into the London promissory note cash market may well capture ETFs as well as bullion banks that have created these large silver short positions in the City of London’s silver and gold market if they indeed rehypothecated ETF owned assets into the market.

And, again, if Currie is correct these short positions created utilizing silver held for clients may also capture any trustees of the ETFs that have acted against their Trust.

The 6 year and running global silver deficit, worsening to 265M oz. this year, has drawn-down available liquid vaulted global silver stocks that are necessary to meet market demand.

As demand for settlement in physical metal of the large open interest of cash market claims sold into the London market continues and likely will increase, it will at some point start to visibly claim those who have sold these claims for metal into the market.​




Depending where you started buying, you could easily be up 100% at current prices.

Pretty much everyone who gets involved with silver knows that this is a highly manipulated market or should do. When they say 'Banks' what they actually mean is US Government.

PM's have been manipulated since the 1930's. Nothing new, except the move from China and Russia to move back to PM's as a reserve asset. This cannot be underestimated, yet it has been and still is.

It is US Government v BRICKS. The BRICKS are winning and will continue to win because this is no longer the world of Soros' Imperial Circle:



Something strange has happened to the price of gold over the past year. In setting one record level after the other, it seems to have decoupled from its traditional historical influencers, such as interest rates, inflation and the dollar. Moreover, the consistency of its rise stands in contrast to fluctuations in pivotal geopolitical situations.


Gold’s “all-weather” characteristic signals something that goes beyond economics, politics and higher-frequency geopolitical developments. It captures an increasingly persistent behavioural trend among China and “middle power” countries, as well as others. And it is a trend that the west should be paying greater attention to. Some may be tempted to dismiss gold’s performance as part of a more general increase in asset prices that, for example, has seen the US S&P index gain about 35 per cent in the past 12 months.

Yet that correlation itself is unusual. Others will attribute it to the risk of military conflicts that have seen so many innocent civilians lose their lives and livelihoods, together with massive destruction of infrastructure. Yet the price journey suggests that there may well be a lot more going on. What is at stake here is not just the erosion of the dollar’s dominant role but also a gradual change in the operation of the global system.

No other currency or payment system is able and willing to displace the dollar at the core of the system and there is a practical limit to reserve diversification. But an increasing number of little pipes are being built to go around this core; and a growing number of countries are interested and increasingly involved.



It's all about the debt.

Already mentioned in the DDD thread, with the return on 1 Jan 2025 of the debt ceiling, there will be some interesting dynamics coming into play when we have a liquidity crisis. We have them constantly due to the ever expanding deficits that need to be funded. They are currently sterilized by the Treasury (selling bonds) acting in concert with the Fed. After next year, the Treasury is less able to participate and it falls onto the Fed to create that liquidity.

More on this later.

China has forced the inflation that is to come out of the oil market and into the gold market through breaking the USD monopoly of all oil being sold in USD. Now you can buy oil in Yuan, Bolivars, whatever, settle in net trade balances and gold.

Silver is the poor man's gold.

Silver will be increasingly bought as 'money good' further adding pressure to the metal deficits already demonstrated.

Just a matter of time. Things are fast coming to a head.

jog on
duc
 
It's worth reflecting on how far silver has come in 2024, which has been a watershed year for the metal. In February when silver was languishing under US$23, US$30 seemed well out of reach. But now silver has been consolidating over US$30 for more than seven weeks and has not dipped below US$30 during that time.

It's important to keep focused on the fundamentals and the reality is demand continues to outstrip supply with industrial demand remaining strong and the supply deficit continuing for yet another year. Above ground inventories are declining.

The total silver market short position is currently 729 million ounces, almost an entire year of mine production. This is a ticking time bomb that will eventually go off. Exactly when is anyone's guess.
 
Silver got hammered on Friday. Big sledge hammer hits of selling drove the price down and today it has sunk much further on lower volume. This would seem to indicate that buyers have pulled away and we are set for more weakness tonight and probably the rest of the week into the US Thanksgiving holiday.
 
SLV is still holding an uptrend, if it breaks below the 27.47 Low then the uptrend would be temporarily over. The big pattern though is long-term bullish. The long period of sideways from Mar23 - Mar24, then breaking above this and holding above then starting an uptrend from Aug24. When it does break to the upside it could be a big move (good trade).
 
Fell like a stunned cat last night
 
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