Should the courts be able to tell you how to raise your children?

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Family Court bans Nazi mum from sharing views with child

By staff writers
NEWS.com.au
May 06, 2009 08:02am

* Kids banned from political rallies
* Mum banned from 'inciting racial hatred'
* Man banned from selling Nazi items

A PRO-NAZI mother has been banned from taking her six-year-old child to political rallies or encouraging the child to share her ultra right-wing views, according to a report in The Courier-Mail.

In a case before the Family Court known as Hoover and Hoover, Deputy Chief Justice John Faulks ordered the woman be banned from viewing Nazi websites when the child is in her care and that she be restrained from inciting racial hatred.

In another Family Court case heard in Brisbane late last year, a father who was involved in the campaign for an independent West Papua was requested not to take the couple's twin five-year-olds to political rallies.

In 2007, a Family Court judge ruled that a mother's previous involvement with skinhead culture was not evidence that the child was at risk.

Continued here: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25436832-421,00.html

Should the courts be able to tell people how to raise their child and if so, where does it end? Should the courts be able to tell parents not to expose their child to extremist religion such as fundamentalist Christianity or Islam? If the courts can tell a father not to take his children to political rallies for an independent West Papua should they also do the same to parents who take their children to environmental or anti-abortion protests?

Is it a fundamental right of parents to be able to instill their children with the values of their choosing?

What do other ASFers think about this?

 

[gordon2007]

As distasteful as that mother appears to be...I still believe in free speech. To me it tends to be too much discretionary. What if same judge prohibited an aboriginal mother from taking her child to a rally. There would be a huge backlash against the judge yet there was no real difference what they did.

 

[nunthewiser]

so should they ban our kids from cristian beliefs? .......how about scientolegy after all there strange too

oh hang on lets ban EVERYONE who ever holds an alternative opinion

 

[prawn_86]

so should they ban our kids from cristian beliefs? .......how about scientolegy after all there strange too

oh hang on lets ban EVERYONE who ever holds an alternative opinion

No nun, they are just trying to remove opinions all together.

Then the masses will be mindless and do as the gov/powers tell them without questioning

 

[nunthewiser]

No nun, they are just trying to remove opinions all together.

Then the masses will be mindless and do as the gov/powers tell them without questioning

im gunna break out in a pink floyd song soon

 

[nomore4s]

Then the masses will be mindless and do as the gov/powers tell them without questioning

lol, Doesn't that happen already:

 

[prawn_86]

im gunna break out in a pink floyd song soon

waaayyyy before my time so i have no idea what your on about :

PS - I totally disagree with this judement. Its not causing pyhsical harm etc so parents should be able to do as they wish, providing its not illegal. Courts should enforce laws, not morals

 

[Calanen]

They wouldn't have banned a communist mum from taking her kids to socialist alliance rallies. But as stupid as Nazi stuff is (given they lost) I think its a bit rough to tell her what she can say and do with her kids.

 

[Wysiwyg]

oh hang on lets ban EVERYONE who ever holds an alternative opinion

Let`s support EVERYONE whoever is kind, caring, loving, peaceful and independant. Nothing wrong with free thinking if it is for the good.

Need to control the severely mental ill. Such as the case below.

 

[Julia]

I can't see how any instruction from a judge can be enforceable (other than perhaps the attendance at rallies etc). If the Nazi mother continues to mutter her views to the child in their own home, who would know?

 

[Calliope]

I can't see how any instruction from a judge can be enforceable (other than perhaps the attendance at rallies etc). If the Nazi mother continues to mutter her views to the child in their own home, who would know?

I don't think this would work Julia. A properly indoctrinated Nazi child would have to dob in his mother to the thought police.

 

[Mr J]

I agree Julia. As distasteful as it is that she will raise her child that way, it's even more ridiculous that a court would order her to not do so.

Courts should enforce laws, not morals

The two are closely linked, since laws are supposed to represent the morals of that society.

 

[Farencue]

The mother is to be restrained from inciting racial hatred which can obviously entail use of the internet.

This is because it is against the law, specifically the Commonwealth Racial Hatred Act (1995)

The woman has broken the law, it really is that simple!
Im not sure why people would think "someone is telling her how to raise her kids".

 

[Timmy]

Im not sure why people would think "someone is telling her how to raise her kids".

Even though this exploitative bitch should be told.

 

[gooner]

The mother is to be restrained from inciting racial hatred which can obviously entail use of the internet.

This is because it is against the law, specifically the Commonwealth Racial Hatred Act (1995)

The woman has broken the law, it really is that simple!
Im not sure why people would think "someone is telling her how to raise her kids".

Restraining someone from breaking the law seems reasonable.

However, she was also banned from viewing Nazi websites when she had care of the child. Assuming viewing Nazi websites is legal, this is an extraordinary interference in her life. Where do you draw the line? No Pauline Hanson websites? No Fred Nile websites?

 

[nunthewiser]

can we ban all christian and sunday mass and all other religeous tv and websites too as i find this just as offensive and harmful as other "antisocial" outlets out there

thankyou

a free thinkin nun

 

[Julia]

can we ban all christian and sunday mass and all other religeous tv and websites too as i find this just as offensive and harmful as other "antisocial" outlets out there

thankyou

a free thinkin nun

Go and wash your mouth out, Nun. When the government's filter comes to pass you will probably find the religious websites are about all you will be allowed to access!

 

[nunthewiser]

Go and wash your mouth out, Nun. When the government's filter comes to pass you will probably find the religious websites are about all you will be allowed to access!

sad but in all reality very true actually.........and a few more years later perhaps i will be arrested for my previous post

 

[Farencue]

As is common in the media today the BACK STORY has not been given to us.

We do not have the facts about what this woman was doing to incite racial hatred As it is not against the law to view a Nazi website at this point in time, it would be fair to assume she was doing more than quietly viewing these sites in private. Who knows what images/sounds she was showing to her child hence the ruling on not viewing the websites around her child.

It is not illegal to view Pauline Hanson or Fred Nile websites either at this point in time.

You dont get dragged into court to be told how to raise your children, you are in court because you are charged with a crime, in this case inciting racial hatred, which is a very different scenario to "being offended".

Dont any of you think that the child SHOULD be protected from incitement of racial hatred and what that could involve?