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SGR - The Star Entertainment Group

From another thread ...

But hold SGR ... adding slowly into this sell-down.

Hmmm ....

well the update was not great. Its been written on the wall the difficulties it has been under for some time.
It is NOT worthless despite the current spate of selling.
It makes money, just not as much a growth story as it once was thought to be.
Retirement and annuity funds are a much needed tool with longer life expectancy.

That said, I don't think their dividend is too much under threat. Much like my views on banks pre election. One hand the 7% dividend there unlikely to grow over time and ... well say under $25 for some a couple of times it was a buy and feeling like a bank teller with all the financials and magic rallies of 10% .... only to be hit with reality as we are seeing now. Banks well off highs and new capital requirements the latest impost. Suspect we revisit those old lows .

CGF, whilst the absurd strong buy calls and targets of $12 now replaced with 8-9 ones. The share price obviously has had a cow at $6.50 as though the world has ended. We seem to be seeing this with a lot of stocks from AGL going maybe we buy a telco for 20% of market cap and shedding 10% in the blink of an eye MORE than the bloody thing would cost. WES another doing much the same with the Lynas deal which by the way would have been brilliant had they done it given the uncertainty over those minerals and the price shed for a massive company 20% to absurd levels only to rally as they gave out a massive bonus to now .... Retail side and even Bunnings sales not so hot. Again suspect they revist the $32- levels .... irrespective of the ASX.

CGF as opposed to banks has a brighter long term outlook for profits as its product is so niche and specialized and likely in more and more demand all be it slowly, they eventually will get their game sorted. So ... for me ... its much like some other absurd price flops a BUY down here and lower.

SGR similar, Star Casino and whilst a love rally as Packer seemed to sell well above market, only to fall through, casinos are if decently run hard to loose on. Trump did but was so stupid and leveraged as well as a crook they failed. Something worth $5.50 absurdly 12 months ago but above $4.50 at $3.60 low is ignoring all else, eventually as your paid a decent dividend becoming cheap.

CGF ... well at $5.60 a 5.4% yield and fully franked. Things obviously not so good and they can only improve. I note for most of the stocks mentioned above CBA and Now perpetual announcing its sold out.

Nothing like taking your loss.
Not sure ... they are correct.
I own and will slowly add as I did with say APA as it was shredded 15% to $8.50 and now is at $11=

Levels ... and risk size small given the current state of affairs there. Not trading, its longer term for better or worse. Bigger holds if I should be so lucky to get re-entry into say some banks I lightened up upon of late. As for APA I have reduced and taken most off the table with a mere core token holding.

Take care
 
Star group - i had a look the other day, Sydney is a construction site as is the Gold coast, south bank is a hole in the ground, they are spending on hotel rooms and residences at the wrong time - the timing is terrible, the property's are wonderful but to be building everywhere at the end of a construction boom is crazy, i passed thru the star tonight (working) and jeez it was quiet for a Friday night 9pm.
 
i passed thru the star tonight (working) and jeez it was quiet for a Friday night 9pm.
I don't know much about the financials of the company but it's always good to hear first hand observations of how businesses are going. :2twocents
 
The Star is turning off every second pokie to maintain social distancing, down 23% today to close at 2.01
 
Star got big hammering with media report - is it the beginning of another Royal Commission like CWN with zero outcome excepting holes of the investors ??
 
Star got big hammering with media report - is it the beginning of another Royal Commission like CWN with zero outcome excepting holes of the investors ??

Hope not. They are down 20% today. According to other parts of the forum I should be selling because they are 20% off their highs. Me, being the contrarian, just bought a little bit as a speculative purchase.

KH
 
I think what's reported and media speculation would not have caused such a sell off normally.

I think in the current environment, given Star has Asian exposure the selloff probably was a bit exacerbated.
 
I think what's reported and media speculation would not have caused such a sell off normally.

I think in the current environment, given Star has Asian exposure the selloff probably was a bit exacerbated.
Put a buy order at 3.3 thinking it will never happen and just bought.
Now I am panic mode if the price goes to 3 tomorrow.
 
In the normal periods of the market, I would be trading along you guys @Miner , @KevinBB .

But the added uncertainty about risk-off attitude towards anything exposed to China and Asian economy just worries me if there is further downside left...:cautious:
 
I think @peter2 might be on the right track on this one...

Given the nature of the announcement (below) and the company's Asian casino exposure it may be higher risk play than the 'run of the mill' type of "buy the dip" trades that we participate in when the market conditions are favourable.

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I think @peter2 might be on the right track on this one...

Given the nature of the announcement (below) and the company's Asian casino exposure it may be higher risk play than the 'run of the mill' type of "buy the dip" trades that we participate in when the market conditions are favourable.

Thanks, @aus_trader, @peter2 for your candid and transparent opinion. I felt stupid to be greedy to gamble (ironically my astrological forecast did say, not to step into any transaction today out of greed).
Hoping there will be time to sell off today's purchase (BT A/c does not allow sell immediately until the money comes into their account) with a minimum loss.
Noticed @KevinBB also got trapped like me. $213 M worth shares transacted and a fine print at the top of Commsec listing which is not just the press report but as @aus_trader mentioned - economy crisis in China and effect of Evergrande fear.

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Thanks, @aus_trader, @peter2 for your candid and transparent opinion. I felt stupid to be greedy to gamble (ironically my astrological forecast did say, not to step into any transaction today out of greed).
Hoping there will be time to sell off today's purchase (BT A/c does not allow sell immediately until the money comes into their account) with a minimum loss.
Noticed @KevinBB also got trapped like me. $213 M worth shares transacted and a fine print at the top of Commsec listing which is not just the press report but as @aus_trader mentioned - economy crisis in China and effect of Evergrande fear.

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Good morning Team
Right or wrong, after reviewing what has been said on this forum and reading today's newspaper - i have cut my losses and got out of SGR.
If price rises then it was an opportunity loss but if price lowers further, then thanks to ASF and media for stopping the losses of my fund.
 
@KevinBB - looks like now two gambling partners paid their prices to gamble on a gambling company SGR and learnt enough for good :).
The loss on this stock I would take as price for learning :)
Honestly feeling very stress free.
Good on you guys, it kept on falling today, so a penny saved from further downside is a penny earnt :xyxthumbs
 
Hi @Miner and @aus_trader

I bought SGR for a quick bounce, and when that bounce didn't happen, there was no longer a reason for holding.

Some time ago I stopped these one-off purchases, and have been just holding IOZ in the ASX market, and concentrating on other systematic investments (futures). It looks like I'll have to get a good ASX system going to keep me on the straight and narrow.

KH
 
Hi @Miner and @aus_trader

I bought SGR for a quick bounce, and when that bounce didn't happen, there was no longer a reason for holding.

Some time ago I stopped these one-off purchases, and have been just holding IOZ in the ASX market, and concentrating on other systematic investments (futures). It looks like I'll have to get a good ASX system going to keep me on the straight and narrow.

KH
Good on ya @KevinBB , we all do some of these one off purchases hoping to make a quick buck. But what I found was if you take the outcome over large sample of trades, then there is a -ve outcome i.e. an overall loss :(

Unfortunately we generally only remember the wins, with those stocks that did a quick 180 and rallied giving us a rapid profit.

So I look for favourable market conditions where the overall market is trending up when looking for stocks to trade. Researching stocks with great potential to include in the 'speculative stock portfolio' during this period. However I will wait for the markets to be in favour of long positions before I buy any. It'll be the same for the breakout stocks.
 
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