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Don't want to sound sexist, because I'm not, but as I've said on numerous occassions, beware of what you wish for regarding equality.
If the onus was on the the non working mother, to supply the money she gifts, maybe she would have thought more carefully before doing so.
But I guess, it will be up to the working partner to sort out the mess, and just suck it up.

http://www.smh.com.au/money/borrowi...30b-credit-card-hangover-20180110-h0gb1o.html

I just hope they bring on the equality quickly, then at least the non working partner will be working and the onus will be on time equality.
House work will have to be shared, earning ability won't be an excuse for not working and coffee shops will go out of business. lol
 
Another flash of enlightenment just came over me, regarding sexual harassment and the way it is handled.
Why was Derryn Hinch in trouble, for naming and shaming convicted pedophille's?

When these people can name and shame anyone, without recourse, or retribution.
Maybe I have it wrong , but it appears the laws aren't being applied equally.
 
sptrawler said:
Another flash of enlightenment just came over me, regarding sexual harassment and the way it is handled.
Why was Derryn Hinch in trouble, for naming and shaming convicted pedophille's?

When these people can name and shame anyone, without recourse, or retribution.
Maybe I have it wrong , but it appears the laws aren't being applied equally.
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The thing is that all those women who have a vociferous axe to grind because a male had the impudence to be attracted to the female form, makeup, pretty dresses, hair style, perfume and smiling lips, should realise that those same film and acting industry men will continue on in their Jewish boys club, but those women's careers are kaput.
 
Logique said:
As you may be implying SirR - of course men don't have that right! More power to these women, and not before time that we hear their voices
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A friend of mine "pestered" a girl for about 10 years before she finally decided to marry him.

They had 60 happily married years.

I guess it depends on the way you go about it, he didn't grope her or anything it was just friendship for the 10 years. Something that may be less important in these days of instant gratification.
 
Tisme said:
The thing is that all those women who have a vociferous axe to grind because a male had the impudence to be attracted to the female form, makeup, pretty dresses, hair style, perfume and smiling lips, should realise that those same film and acting industry men will continue on in their Jewish boys club, but those women's careers are kaput.
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What a load of absolute poisonous, lying, slanderous rubbish.

Oh wait. It's Tizzy again. Explains it all.
 
basilio said:
What a load of absolute poisonous, lying, slanderous rubbish.

Oh wait. It's Tizzy again. Explains it all.
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Isn't he stating the truth?
Women will wear the consequences while the men will continue on?
 
basilio said:
What a load of absolute poisonous, lying, slanderous rubbish.
Oh wait. It's Tizzy again. Explains it all.
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I have reported this post to Joe in the following terms:
Basilio says Tisme is: ".. poisonous, lying, slanderous .." Physician heal thyself! This language is at minimum disrespectful of a trusted regular poster on ASF. There is a way to make a point respectfully.
 
Logique said:
I have reported this post to Joe in the following terms:
Basilio says Tisme is: ".. poisonous, lying, slanderous .." Physician heal thyself! This language is at minimum disrespectful of a trusted regular poster on ASF. There is a way to make a point respectfully.
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No problem Logique. I have already self reported Tismes comments to Joe and my response because I thought his comments were exactly what I said and needed to called out as such.

Have a look at the stories of the scores of women who have spoken up about Harvey Weinstens abuse of them and see if that squares with Tismes depiction of the situation.

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And by the way I hope you got it right Logique. I said Tismes comments were poisonous, lying and and slanderous. Lets not mix up Tizzes character with some of the things he says.
 
In my experience, the vast majority of times that a thread turns personal it is because of a misunderstanding or a misreading of someone's words or intentions. I think that is the case here.

My reading of Tisme's words is that he was identifying a small subset of accusers who may have had an axe to grind. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that in some instances this may have been a motivating factor. This does not suggest to me that there is any suggestion of widespread axe grinding in relation to recent sexual harassment allegations. In any case, that is how I read Tisme's post.

Folks, please be sure to read the words of others with care and ask them to clarify if you believe they have made a claim or statement that you take issue with. It is easy to misunderstand or misinterpret others when all you have is the written word in front of you.
 
basilio said:
What a load of absolute poisonous, lying, slanderous rubbish.

Oh wait. It's Tizzy again. Explains it all.
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I think it's possible that some women may go down the casting couch route and could become viperous if rejected.

Not saying it's happened in the Weinstein case, but it's certainly possible imo.
 
Agree SR.
In many many fields.
Lots of consensual stuff out there.

Some Chicks are just out there and happy to fast track.

But hey these days the guy would claim Sexual Harassment!
In my view the best resolution is that if its at work LEAVE IT THERE and LEAVE IT ALONE.
 
Joe Blow said:
In my experience, the vast majority of times that a thread turns personal it is because of a misunderstanding or a misreading of someone's words or intentions. I think that is the case here.

My reading of Tisme's words is that he was identifying a small subset of accusers who may have had an axe to grind. I don't think it is unreasonable to suggest that in some instances this may have been a motivating factor. This does not suggest to me that there is any suggestion of widespread axe grinding in relation to recent sexual harassment allegations. In any case, that is how I read Tisme's post.

Folks, please be sure to read the words of others with care and ask them to clarify if you believe they have made a claim or statement that you take issue with. It is easy to misunderstand or misinterpret others when all you have is the written word in front of you.
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In my time I have had many beautiful female employees, many of them tried it on and a few of the hubbies/BFs came a visiting.... it's a burden being devastatingly handsome, possessing the sparkling wit and personality, but it's a load I carry willingly for the good of mankind, world peace and riding ponies.... Viv le female form, look but don't touch (unless you partner is fugly).:D
 
Tisme said:
In my time I have had many beautiful female employees, many of them tried it on and a few of the hubbies/BFs came a visiting.... it's a burden being devastatingly handsome, possessing the sparkling wit and personality, but it's a load I carry willingly for the good of mankind, world peace and riding ponies.... Viv le female form, look but don't touch (unless you partner is fugly).:D
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Well that is funny isn't it ? "Clearly" Tizzy was referring to those hordes of panting women employees who were doing everything they could to get into his pants (possibly to reach his pockets)

Now why wasn't that clear in a text that stated " these women ...should realise that those same film and acting industry men will continue on in their Jewish boys club, but those women's careers are kaput." So it was challenging to somehow misconnect Tizzys personal sufferings versus the hundreds of women who are coming out with their experiences in the film industry.

So as I read it (and indeed so did Logique) Tisme was saying that all these women (hollywood actresses) had an axe to grind just because they rejected these poor men who thought they were so dishy and made a pass at them.

And now when they opened their mouths to complain they were going to lose their jobs wern't they?

So why did I say on my understanding of the post that it was "poisonous, lying and slanderous "?

1) Lying. It completly misrepresents/lies about hundreds of the initial complaints as well as the later Me Toopeople who related their experiences. In fact it is the oldest lie in the book of sexual attacks ("She was asking for it "
2) Slanderous. Sprouting that lie about "all those women" (not some, not a few perhaps) would make the normal reasonable person think poorly about the character and morals of the thousands of people who have raised their voice about the various abuses they have been subjected to. Open and shut I suggest.
3) Poisonous. As I read it and as Logique also understood it the tone of the text was to discredit "all those women" who were making allegations of sexual abuse. In the context of this thead the post looked like Tisme was poisoning the well by make a totally untrue, slanderous comment that was covering all and any people who were speaking out on personal experiences.

Anyway Joe reckons this is a misunderstanding which I am prepared to accept.

That assumes of course that Tizzys next text in this thread explictly acknowledges that the sexual abuse accusations in Hollywood are in the most part very real. That he was in fact referring in large part to his own particular circumstances and that conflating the Hollywood situation was an unfortunate choice of contexts.

For the record I would also be interested in knowing how many other posters read Tismes comment and came to the conclusion that this was a comment about the Hollywood actors currently kicking up re sex abuse. Be good to know how much misunderstanding there was with this post.
 
For the record I would also be interested in knowing how many other posters read Tismes comment and came to the conclusion that this was a comment about the Hollywood actors currently kicking up re sex abuse. be nice to know how much misunderstanding there was with this post.
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There could always be hidden bylines that we don't know about in the women's stories. Chequebook journalism comes to mind. It's been known to happen. Is there a requirement for such payments to be disclosed ?

Anyway, Weinstein sounds like a creep. He's admitted he's got problems. He's now in "therapy" apparently, but that doesn't disclose all the motives for the revelations after a long period of time.
 
basilio said:
Well that is funny isn't it ? "Clearly" Tizzy was referring to those hordes of panting women employees who were doing everything they could to get into his pants (possibly to reach his pockets)

Now why wasn't that clear in a text that stated " these women ...should realise that those same film and acting industry men will continue on in their Jewish boys club, but those women's careers are kaput." So it was challenging to somehow misconnect Tizzys personal sufferings versus the hundreds of women who are coming out with their experiences in the film industry.

So as I read it (and indeed so did Logique) Tisme was saying that all these women (hollywood actresses) had an axe to grind just because they rejected these poor men who thought they were so dishy and made a pass at them.

And now when they opened their mouths to complain they were going to lose their jobs wern't they?

So why did I say on my understanding of the post that it was "poisonous, lying and slanderous "?

1) Lying. It completly misrepresents/lies about hundreds of the initial complaints as well as the later Me Toopeople who related their experiences. In fact it is the oldest lie in the book of sexual attacks ("She was asking for it "
2) Slanderous. Sprouting that lie about "all those women" (not some, not a few perhaps) would make the normal reasonable person think poorly about the character and morals of the thousands of people who have raised their voice about the various abuses they have been subjected to. Open and shut I suggest.
3) Poisonous. As I read it and as Logique also understood it the tone of the text was to discredit "all those women" who were making allegations of sexual abuse. In the context of this thead the post looked like Tisme was poisoning the well by make a totally untrue, slanderous comment that was covering all and any people who were speaking out on personal experiences.

Anyway Joe reckons this is a misunderstanding which I am prepared to accept.

That assumes of course that Tizzys next text in this thread explictly acknowledges that the sexual abuse accusations in Hollywood are in the most part very real. That he was in fact referring in large part to his own particular circumstances and that conflating the Hollywood situation was an unfortunate choice of contexts.

For the record I would also be interested in knowing how many other posters read Tismes comment and came to the conclusion that this was a comment about the Hollywood actors currently kicking up re sex abuse. Be good to know how much misunderstanding there was with this post.
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I once had a fixed wheel 28". It could back pedal too.
 
basilio said:
Well that is funny isn't it ? "Clearly" Tizzy was referring to those hordes of panting women employees who were doing everything they could to get into his pants (possibly to reach his pockets)

Now why wasn't that clear in a text that stated " these women ...should realise that those same film and acting industry men will continue on in their Jewish boys club, but those women's careers are kaput." So it was challenging to somehow misconnect Tizzys personal sufferings versus the hundreds of women who are coming out with their experiences in the film industry.

So as I read it (and indeed so did Logique) Tisme was saying that all these women (hollywood actresses) had an axe to grind just because they rejected these poor men who thought they were so dishy and made a pass at them.

And now when they opened their mouths to complain they were going to lose their jobs wern't they?

So why did I say on my understanding of the post that it was "poisonous, lying and slanderous "?

1) Lying. It completly misrepresents/lies about hundreds of the initial complaints as well as the later Me Toopeople who related their experiences. In fact it is the oldest lie in the book of sexual attacks ("She was asking for it "
2) Slanderous. Sprouting that lie about "all those women" (not some, not a few perhaps) would make the normal reasonable person think poorly about the character and morals of the thousands of people who have raised their voice about the various abuses they have been subjected to. Open and shut I suggest.
3) Poisonous. As I read it and as Logique also understood it the tone of the text was to discredit "all those women" who were making allegations of sexual abuse. In the context of this thead the post looked like Tisme was poisoning the well by make a totally untrue, slanderous comment that was covering all and any people who were speaking out on personal experiences.

Anyway Joe reckons this is a misunderstanding which I am prepared to accept.

That assumes of course that Tizzys next text in this thread explictly acknowledges that the sexual abuse accusations in Hollywood are in the most part very real. That he was in fact referring in large part to his own particular circumstances and that conflating the Hollywood situation was an unfortunate choice of contexts.

For the record I would also be interested in knowing how many other posters read Tismes comment and came to the conclusion that this was a comment about the Hollywood actors currently kicking up re sex abuse. Be good to know how much misunderstanding there was with this post.
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Jesus Christ
Triggered much or what. Don't justify your pi$$y fit then load him up with how it all happened according to Bas. You have been wanting to have a dig and you did.
He is allowed whatever opinion he wants and you can disagree all you want. But don't go turning him into "rapey hitler" by trying to lead the narrative and gather backup.
 

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