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The details of the Robert Doyle - Tessa Sullivan sexual harrassment case.

In interesting to see how the issues around Robert Dyle compounded and grew over time. Also fascinating to see how the Herald Sun manipulatd pictures and text messages to create quite false versions of what had happened.

Robert Doyle accuser Tessa Sullivan: 'All I want is the truth'
Melbourne

Interview: The woman who accused the former Melbourne mayor of sexual assault and harassment tells her story and why she’s not interested in being a #MeToo warrior

It is three months since Tessa Sullivan resigned as a Melbourne city councillor, alleging the then mayor, Robert Doyle, had sexually harassed and assaulted her over several months.

And it has been five weeks since Doyle received the draft report of the investigation into Sullivan’s claims, and those of another councillor, Cathy Oke, who has also alleged sexual harassment.

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What happened
The way Sullivan explains it, Doyle, 64, was physically affectionate with women, hugging and kissing them hello and goodbye in a way he did not do with men. At the beginning she found this unprofessional, but didn’t take it seriously and didn’t read it in a sexual way.

I reasoned that he was an old man who couldn’t possibly be interested in women my age

In her 35-page statement of resignation, she says: “After a while I began to feel uncomfortable with how much he was touching me. He would hug me tightly, almost pushing my chest towards his. He would put his hand on my waist quite low on my hip. He would put his arm sideways around me and kiss me repeatedly on the forehead … and he would constantly reiterate to staff and councillors how special I was and how he would do anything for me.”

Sullivan tried not to worry: “I reasoned that he was an old man who couldn’t possibly be interested in women my age.” She found him “grotesque”.

There was a drinking culture at the council, with catered dinners after Tuesday night council meetings. Sullivan says that on about five occasions, Doyle offered her a lift home with him and his driver.

On 2 May last year, she says that when Doyle was being dropped off he opened the door beside her, put one of his arms around her neck and grabbed her right breast. She says she slapped his hand away and that Doyle looked shocked that she had done so.

She later told her husband about what had happened, but he suggested she give Doyle the benefit of the doubt, that perhaps it was an accident and he had had too much to drink.

For a time, Sullivan says, Doyle’s behaviour improved, but then it became worse and she wished she had complained about the incident in the car.

“I found Doyle’s behaviour more and more abhorrent,” she says in her resignation statement. “It got to a point where I was afraid to take my work jacket off as I knew he would look straight at my cleavage. I stopped wearing heels and regularly wore my glasses. I just started to blame myself and kept trying to change my appearance so he would just stop leering at me, but it never helped and he always did.”

She avoided Doyle whenever possible, but on 31 October last year she walked with him to the elevator that would take them to the car park. She said to Doyle, “I will go down with you,” meaning in the elevator. He said, “Will you just?” and followed up with “I love cunnilingus.” Sullivan says she began to panic and resisted persistent requests from Doyle to give her a lift home.

She says she told several councillors about Doyle’s behaviour, but implored them not to report it.

Although Sullivan says she tried to avoid Doyle as much as possible, she never told him to stop what he was doing. They never had a conversation about it. She says she doesn’t regret that.

“I did feel like I fought him off,” she says. “I feel like I didn’t flirt with him; I know I didn’t. I strongly believe just because a woman looks a certain way or that she’s friendly, doesn’t mean that he had any right to do what he did to me.

“What I really did think about [later] was … why did I walk up that hallway with him? Why did I get in the car? I know 100% that I didn’t invite him and I tried to avoid him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...ccuser-tessa-sullivan-all-i-want-is-the-truth
 
Quite the net, sans heterosexual men who are all indelibly evil

 
Some disturbing issues coming out of the guy who ran amok with a van in Toronto. It apears he is part of a very misogynistic NCEL group (Involuntary Celibacy).

Toronto attack: Facebook post may link suspect to misogynistic online subculture
Post appears to connect alleged killer with ‘incel’, or ‘involuntary celibate’, communities that have made sexual frustration the basis for misogyny

Jason Wilson

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Tue 24 Apr 2018 19.14 EDT First published on Tue 24 Apr 2018 18.52 EDT

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Shortly before a rented van ploughed into a crowd of pedestrians in Toronto, killing 10 and wounding 14 others, a short and cryptic message was posted on the Facebook account of Alek Minassian, the man accused of carrying out the attack.

The post referred to another mass killer – Elliot Rodger, who shot dead six people and wounded 13 others in Isla Vista, California, in 2014 – and said that the “incel rebellion has already begun. We will overthrow all the Chads and the Stacys”.

Minassian’s Facebook account has since been deleted and police have yet to suggest a motive for the attack, but the post appeared to connect the alleged killer with the so-called “incel” movement, which has made collective sexual frustration the basis for a deeply misogynistic online subculture.

Incel stands for “involuntary celibate”, and the people who identify with the label are almost exclusively male. On incels.me, the subculture’s leading online forum, an incel is described as someone who “can’t have sex despite wanting to”, and is thus also denied the pleasures of relationships. (In incel lingo, sexually successful men are known as “Chads”, and attractive women are called “Stacys”).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...cebook-post-may-link-suspect-with-incel-group
 
I really think our Society has swung to far in favour of Women. My undoing is my soft spot for any battler or victim, but my latest partner seems to know this and uses it to her advantage. Thus my posting on a lonesome Saturday night lol.

I really think our Society breeds and encourages dominant narcissistic Women. We need to fight for true equality.
 
Darc Knight said:
I really think our Society has swung to far in favour of Women. My undoing is my soft spot for any battler or victim, but my latest partner seems to know this and uses it to her advantage. Thus my posting on a lonesome Saturday night lol.

I really think our Society breeds and encourages dominant narcissistic Women. We need to fight for true equality.
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Be a lot cheaper if you hired a call girl for the weekends :D
 
basilio said:
It apears he is part of a very misogynistic NCEL group (Involuntary Celibacy).
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It has always been girls can get it whenever they want. Of course there are billions of frustrated males in the world and that is why football and internet pr0n are popular. No to mysoginy. It's a testosterone thing so just masturbate when necessary. :cool:
 
Tisme said:
Be a lot cheaper if you hired a call girl for the weekends :D
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When you're as handsome as myself and Joe Blow getting sex isnti the problem. ( Yes, obvious "brown-nosing" of Administrator).
My problem was, and is for every Male, that Women are more naturally cunning and manipulative and our Society does advantage them.
My instinct told me keep away from her but a Mate kept introducing her to me then she kept approaching me. So eventually I became her "white knight".
We should send our dominant narcissistic Women to those Countries where Women are oppressed and bring their Women here. An exchange program. Let the Taliban and "femonazi's" sort each other out.
 
Darc Knight said:
When you're as handsome as myself and Joe Blow getting sex isnti the problem. ( Yes, obvious "brown-nosing" of Administrator).
My problem was, and is for every Male, that Women are more naturally cunning and manipulative and our Society does advantage them.
My instinct told me keep away from her but a Mate kept introducing her to me then she kept approaching me. So eventually I became her "white knight".
We should send our dominant narcissistic Women to those Countries where Women are oppressed and bring their Women here. An exchange program. Let the Taliban and "femonazi's" sort each other out.
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Why not just leave?
 
Darc Knight said:
When you're as handsome as myself and Joe Blow getting sex isnti the problem. ( Yes, obvious "brown-nosing" of Administrator).
My problem was, and is for every Male, that Women are more naturally cunning and manipulative and our Society does advantage them.
My instinct told me keep away from her but a Mate kept introducing her to me then she kept approaching me. So eventually I became her "white knight".
We should send our dominant narcissistic Women to those Countries where Women are oppressed and bring their Women here. An exchange program. Let the Taliban and "femonazi's" sort each other out.
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To be fair there must be a lot of women out there who don't make men's lives a misery. It just might be a resilience issue of some men, or some blokes are just magnets to incendiary women.

Apart from a seemingly small percentage of big girls blouses, primal encoding of men tends to be about spearing things and bragging about the conquest. Women like to talk about boring stuff......endlessly, presumably because the men of the tribe were out and about stalking prey while the women sat around complaining about the imbecile they paired up.

I don't think there would be many, if any, cultures in the world where you would find obsequious women by nature.
 
Tisme said:
Women like to talk about boring stuff......endlessly, presumably because the men of the tribe were out and about stalking prey while the women sat around complaining about the imbecile they paired up.
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Have you ever tried to watch The Drum on ABC ?

They have a few token men occasionally, but most of the time it's emotional excitable women who sit around clucking and talking vacuously over each other like they are at a hen's night at the pub.

Totally incomprehensible most of the time.
 
SirRumpole said:
Have you ever tried to watch The Drum on ABC ?

They have a few token men occasionally, but most of the time it's emotional excitable women who sit around clucking and talking vacuously over each other like they are at a hen's night at the pub.

Totally incomprehensible most of the time.
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Even my staunch ABC advocate sibling has given up defending the ABC's agenda ... that's like bas admitting he is wrong and I was right ....... astonishing. :D
 
Who would have thunk it ?:cautious:

Senator Martha McSally says she was raped while serving in air force
Arizona Republican, the first female fighter pilot to fly in combat, spoke about her experience during a Senate hearing Wednesday

Associated Press

Thu 7 Mar 2019 07.49 AEDT Last modified on Thu 7 Mar 2019 08.56 AEDT

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Senator Martha McSally speaks during Senate Armed Services Subcommittee hearing on preventing sexual assault on Capitol Hill. Photograph: Joshua Roberts/Reuters
Senator Martha McSally, the first female fighter pilot to fly in combat, has said she was raped in the air force by a superior officer.

The Arizona Republican, a 26-year military veteran, made the disclosure at a Senate hearing on Wednesday on the armed services’ efforts to prevent sexual assaults and improve the response when they occur.

McSally said she did not report being sexually assaulted because she did not trust the system, and she said she was ashamed and confused. McSally did not name the officer who she says raped her.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/mar/06/martha-mcsally-sexual-assault-air-force
 
Sexual harrassment in the work place has been spectacularly highlighted with accusations against a former High Court Judge. After these publicly surfaced a number of other women noted they had also had to fend off similar behavior and factor in the consequences making a fuss at the time.

This analysis does a good job of explaining why the legal profession has been rife with sexual harassment.

'We're all gentlemen here': Australia's legal profession can pretend no more
The law is slowly confronting its toxic culture of sexual harassment. The Dyson Heydon allegations will only speed things up

The law is slow to change. For almost 30 years, the majority of law graduates in Australia have been women. And yet, when these brilliant young women enter the workplace, out-competing all their fellow graduates for a bottom-rung position at a top law firm or a prestigious posting as a judge’s associate, their bosses are still, invariably men.

“We still do have mostly men in positions of power,” says Kate Jenkins, the Australian sex discrimination commissioner. “Men who do identify with often the accused more than the victim, who haven’t had the experience of being harassed but do look at these things and question – not only ‘I can’t believe he did it’ but also ‘I’d hate to think people thought I did it’.”

The legal profession in Australia has long known it has a sexual harassment problem. A 2019 report by the International Bar Association found that 47% of women and 13% of men working in the law in Australia had experienced workplace sexual harassment, higher than a global average of 37% of women and 7% of men.

But the news that a former judge of the high court of Australia, Dyson Heydon, had been accused of sexual harassment by a number of women, and that an independent investigation commissioned by the high court had found Heydon had sexually harassed six former high court staff members, has turned the law’s seedy underbelly into a problem the profession cannot ignore.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...stralias-legal-profession-can-pretend-no-more
 
basilio said:
Sexual harrassment in the work place has been spectacularly highlighted with accusations against a former High Court Judge. After these publicly surfaced a number of other women noted they had also had to fend off similar behavior and factor in the consequences making a fuss at the time.

This analysis does a good job of explaining why the legal profession has been rife with sexual harassment.

'We're all gentlemen here': Australia's legal profession can pretend no more
The law is slowly confronting its toxic culture of sexual harassment. The Dyson Heydon allegations will only speed things up

The law is slow to change. For almost 30 years, the majority of law graduates in Australia have been women. And yet, when these brilliant young women enter the workplace, out-competing all their fellow graduates for a bottom-rung position at a top law firm or a prestigious posting as a judge’s associate, their bosses are still, invariably men.

“We still do have mostly men in positions of power,” says Kate Jenkins, the Australian sex discrimination commissioner. “Men who do identify with often the accused more than the victim, who haven’t had the experience of being harassed but do look at these things and question – not only ‘I can’t believe he did it’ but also ‘I’d hate to think people thought I did it’.”

The legal profession in Australia has long known it has a sexual harassment problem. A 2019 report by the International Bar Association found that 47% of women and 13% of men working in the law in Australia had experienced workplace sexual harassment, higher than a global average of 37% of women and 7% of men.

But the news that a former judge of the high court of Australia, Dyson Heydon, had been accused of sexual harassment by a number of women, and that an independent investigation commissioned by the high court had found Heydon had sexually harassed six former high court staff members, has turned the law’s seedy underbelly into a problem the profession cannot ignore.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/202...stralias-legal-profession-can-pretend-no-more
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IMV harassment is all over the place. The medical profession has a lot to answer for as does the military and police forces around the country.

But it goes both ways. Some women use their sexuality to get ahead. Maybe some would try this, get rebuffed and take revenge. These cases are never reported because it's politically incorrect to do so.
 

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