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Sexual harrassment at DJ's

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Thanks DocK for the clarification. I thought as much but it seemed unclear.

Nice job on highlighting the alleged extent of Mr Mcinnes interest in staff and (almost ) any other woman with a pulse.

(Given the above poor Allannah Hill would have felt truly mortified in not being invited back..)

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It's interesting to reflect on the larger picture. Obviously Mr McInnes had a huge passion for life, love and woman. Certainly in some of the newspaper reports there was a lot of warmth displayed towards him from a number of people because of this passion. I'm guessing that his highly charged passion was generally a positive driving force in a woman dominated industry.

On memory I believe at least a couple of the newspaper reports acknowledged that plenty of women responded to his attention. Probably the men (including the board) just thought "What a lucky bastard" and prayed nothing went pear shaped. And in the end it looks as if McInnes just couldn't understand how anyone could possibly say no to his offers.

I wonder if there are any present or ex DJ staffers who are writing up a good juicy story on life around Mark ? Certainly make a good read and no doubt No Idea et al would love to serialise it. (and never, ever see a cent of DJ's advertising until hell freezes over.)

But perhaps it would go better as a viral post on the net ?
 
Came across an excellent blog by a lawyer who was reviewing the DJ's sexual harrassment case.

Offered great personal perspectives as well as an insight to the legal processes around this case. Check it out.

http://skepticlawyer.com.au/2010/08/05/sexual-harassment-and-the-law/

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Also another blog from someone who counts Mark McInnes as a friend. There is a particularly interesting comment submitted from someone worked at DJ's and noted just how many young pretty blonde staff were befriended by Mark and scored lots of lovely handbags.

http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/08/kristy-fraser-kirk-sues-david-jones-for-37m.html
 
I feel suspicious that this lady, for whatever reason, is using the system to maximise her financial gain.

The reason I say this is that she would have been fully and completely familiar with the way sexual harrasment legislation and cases work, if she had been thru a settlement with a government institution such as NSW police.

Govt depts have "led the charge" on sex harrasment for years.

The way her comments and case are stuctured smack to me of a manipulation.

It would seem to me the alleged harrasment she suffered, was at the low end of the scale, but definitely would constitute harrasment as defined.

The settlement she is claiming is out of proportion

When I was a Commonwealth pubic servant, we were extensivly trained in this stuff.

Subsequently, as mentioned in an earlier post, saw many cases.

What I didnt mention, is that there were more "non-cases" that "real" cases

I reckon a settlement is on the cards, as I feel that there is far more to this story than meets the eye, and her reputation will be trashed if it goes to court.

I could be completely wrong, in that she could be an innocent victim, completely harrassed by a monster, who did everything by the book.

However I would say based on observation of a senior manager I once worked with, who was devastatingly handsome, he never bothered the ladies, as it was completely unneccesary.

As a general rule, he didnt even bother talking to the ladies till the end of the evening, by then, they had been making eyes at him all night, and he would just select the best contender. ( this guy told me he once slept with a different woman every day for a whole year, and it was very believable)

That, to me, is a very dissonate part of the equation
 
That's a reasonable response, Basilio, thank you.

However, whatever the situation actually turns out to be (if we ever know) between DJ's, Ms FK and Mr McInnes, to me it's all ridiculously disproportionate in terms of general fuss and amount claimed when it's compared with real sexual assault and abuse which happens every day to thousands of women and children, none of whom have the resources and knowledge available to Ms FK.

I can't help thinking that maybe some of Ms FK's ardent supporters could more usefully marshal their passions into doing something toward helping those genuine victims who lack the capacity to stand up for themselves.
The current DJ's situation seems to me somewhat obscene in comparison.
 
Hear Hear Julia.
 

Fraser-Kirk will regret making this statement over the weekend. She is on a crusade for the sisterhood and wants DJs to make a large donation to the cause. This statement probably rules out punitive damages for her. They will probably give her a million to go away.

And why does she need a publicist?


http://www.3aw.com.au/blogs/3aw-generic-blog/undeterred-by-media-smear/20100809-11s3x.html
 

I think it has been said many times now by Ms Fraser-Kirk, various commentators and the legal profession.

This case is being pursed on behalf of all victims of sexual harassment. If there is going to be a pot of money at the end it is going to be donated to a centre that will support victims of sexual harassment and assault.

No one has agreed that this particular instance while nasty is worth $37 m. or anywhere near it. It is simply that this is a unique opportunity to conduct a public high profile case that might fundamentally change how businesses view sexual harassment issues and that if successful to some degree will provides the resources for others who need support.

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The Age Editorial

 

That's precisely my concern, Julia;

I was thinking of home invaders, drunk drivers, hit'n'runners... who all leave real victims in their wake and get away with a slap on the wrist, while their victims can't even get a penny of compensation out of them. Problem is, those victims aren't "sexy" enough to stir emotions and sell gossip magazines.

There are countless more victims, whose trauma goes immensely deeper than feeling uncomfortable about unwelcome advances. For every Ms FK, who can very effectively and articulately defend herself, there are hundred others who can not. How many of those will start thinking "if she can get Millions, maybe I can try the same..."?

Which gets me back to the "message" that the readers get from those mags: "Never mind the pimply boy next door that touched you up; nothing to gain from taking him to court. Accuse your boss and you've got it made."
 
And that's the nub of it basilio; The Age ( The Pravda on the Yarra) newspaper's vendetta against Corporate Australia.

We do not know if Fraser-Kirk's audacious claim will succeed, and the $37 million is undoubtedly over the top and won't survive. But we hope that by launching the claim she influences the way corporate Australia acts
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Now I know why she has a publicist. Everybody with an axe to grind should have one.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/business/publicist-wont-back-down/story-e6frfm1i-1225902809739#ixzz0wBOmWtU4
 

Please calliope, please. Just rock on down to Pravda on the Yarra and point out how wildly anti-business they are and tell them to go back to Mother Russia where they truly belong.

Now, with regard to their hope that the launching of Ms Fraser -Kirks audacious claim will actually influence the way corporate Australia acts.

I thought that( regardless of whether the claim was over done, the amount ridiculously high and so on,) everyone else has agreed that this incident should make business far more thoughtful about how their employees are treated with regard to sexual harassment issues

Are you saying DJ's and the rest of the business world shouldn't reconsider any of their practices after this incident and the fallout ? That this was all okay ?

Tell me it ain't so Joe...
 
And a view from inside DJ's taken from the Mamma Mia blog site. My bolds


http://www.mamamia.com.au/weblog/2010/08/kristy-fraser-kirk-sues-david-jones-for-37m.html
 
If you are going to quote me, do it honestly and don't throw in your added smilies

More of basilo's verballing:

Are you saying DJ's and the rest of the business world shouldn't reconsider any of their practices after this incident and the fallout ? That this was all okay ?
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No. Read my post, and try to be honest.
 
It's still not clear Calliope. I wasn't trying to verbal you with my question. In fact I was thinking that you didn't really believe that DJ's had done the right thing but that view was lost in the post and you would like to clarify it..
 
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It's still not clear Calliope. I wasn't trying to verbal you with my question. In fact I was thinking that you didn't really believe that DJ's had done the right thing but that view was lost in the post and you would like to clarify it..
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What pompous nonsense. My advice to you is that if you are going to alter quotes by adding you own bolds or smilies then you are being dishonest. But if you continue this practice you should at least add an adendum that they are your bolds, smilies, etc.
 

Calliope can we please get over my addition of the smilies to your quotes. They were intended to reflect my surprise at the statement rather than your comments.

But my question still remains as I expressed it earlier and for the sake of the conversation I'd like your thoughts and any qualifications you might make.

 
basilio said:
Calliope can we please get over my addition of the smilies to your quotes. They were intended to reflect my surprise at the statement rather than your comments.
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You can't weasel out. It was a dishonest attempt to indicate that I was confused and not you.

But my question still remains as I expressed it earlier and for the sake of the conversation I'd like your thoughts and any qualifications you might make.
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My thoughts are that you are dishonest, and my qualifications are that I can spot a phony a mile off.
 

This is well put Basilio. Also good editorial you quoted.
 
If only people sought advice from South Park...


 

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I'm still waiting for one of you FK supporters to tell me how you intend to advance the cause of the women and children who lack the resources of Ms FK, but who every day experience violent sexual assault and incest.

I guess it's easier not to focus on them.
Way more important to care about a precious little petal and her skills in the publicity field.

If any of you were prepared to spend six months just observing in a domestic violence refuge, you might develop some inkling of the real problems out there.
You'd see not confident, articulate young women able to negotiate with the media in advancing their cause, nursing their silly little grievances, but women, usually with little kids at their feet, who move from town to town in an attempt to evade further violence from an ex-partner against whom they have an AVO, a document which is meant to protect them. Such documents are a joke.
The men they are fleeing from have sexually, physically and psychologically assaulted them over a sustained period, usually threatening that if the woman leaves, he will kill the children. Sometimes he does, and the woman as well.

If these abused women ever had any self esteem it has long gone in their struggle just to stay alive.

But hell, who cares? Much more fascinating to follow the fortunes of a savvy 25 year old whose boss was a tacky sleaze.
 
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