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Seriously time to boycott the big 4?

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Hi guys,

Am sure this question has been asked before but I feel we can continue to ask it! I was wondering how many here are still banking with the big 4 like me? Why do you stay with them? My research indicates almost all local level credit unions/building societies are better capitalised, charge much less in the way of fees, provide all the same services, etc. Not to mention the fact that to a CU/BS you are not a "market share" and the manager won't get fired by shareholders for less profits.

I moved to Melbourne earlier this year to work at Melbourne University. To that end I have been examining the MU Credit Union website to compare with my current offerings. Pretty much feeling like a sucker based on the comparison, why have I been banking with Commonwealth all these years, other than they started me a dollarmite account when I was in kindergarten?

So if you are still with the big 4, why so? What would it take to get you to change? Are you a shareholder of your bank (so that at least some of this gouging ends up in your pocket as dividends)? Are you concerned by what generally seems to be a poor level of capital backing compared to credit unions (e.g. Commonwealth seems to hold tier 1 capital ratio of <8% but MUCU holds >17% tier 1 capital ratio?) in the event of another crises? If you are both a loan holder and deposit holder at a big bank aren't you angry that they are passing on rate hikes to debtors but not at the same ratio to creditors (sometimes in excess of a 2% differential)? Do you really buy this garbage about "increased funding costs" considering that since the GFC started Australian debt paper has had huge capital inflows from foreign sources (in fact if it wasn't for these most investment banks would have collapsed by now I'm sure).

I plan on closing out all accounts with Commonwealth, ING and Comsec within the month to start 2010 afresh. My main goals will be to get better rates (as both a loan holder and deposit holder), hold the assurance of almost triple the capitalisation of my current banking solutions, support the local economy instead of profit hungry shareholders, and most importantly pass a message onto these big banks about why they are losing my business.

Your comments and thoughts are appreciated.
 
Myself and my girlfriend both currently bank with Westpac. Have been for about 4-5 years now. Absolutely no complaints at all. We both pay no fees on all of our accounts, unlimited transactions, a good interest rate on our savings (currently 5.45%). What more could we want?

My advice to all those whingers out there complaining about fee's is that your not doing your homework.
 
Myself and my girlfriend both currently bank with Westpac. Have been for about 4-5 years now. Absolutely no complaints at all. We both pay no fees on all of our accounts, unlimited transactions, a good interest rate on our savings (currently 5.45%). What more could we want?

My advice to all those whingers out there complaining about fee's is that your not doing your homework.

I'm with ME (members equity). http://www.membersequity.com.au/
It is owned by the Industry Fund Super Firms (you know Bernie Fraser adds - super of the future)
No fees.
Always equals or beats the big banks on home loan rates. No set up costs. No fee redraw.
Low credit card rate.
Just about the highest saving rates.
Has won numerous awards from Personal Investor.

If I was a Westpac home loan holder I would be very angry right now and no amount of watching banana trees fall down would soothe me!!!

ps also a member of Australian Credit Union
 
Just about the highest saving rates.

If I was a Westpac home loan holder I would be very angry right now.

I'm seeing 4.5% for ME compared to 5.25% for Westpac's Esaver (similar type of accounts)

EDIT - I see their pushing 5.25% for 3 months, compared to Westpacs 5.25% for 4 months.
 
CBA increased interest on the NetBank Saver accounts by 0.50%. Still only 3.75% but that allows me to offset the $4 account charge.

Why don't I change? $4/month doesn't bother me a great deal. Only way it could get better for me would be a higher rate of interest for savings. CBA have branches where ever I go to. CBA is getting more integrated with internet banking and hopefully that continutes. I also have CBA shares.

Apart from the big 4 only 3 credit unions/building societies have branches where I live that I'm aware of and two of them are Tasmanian only. Apart from account keeping fees CBA comes out at better interest rates.
 
I'm seeing 4.5% for ME compared to 5.25% for Westpac's Esaver (similar type of accounts)

True. You can't access the money at a flexiteller . And guess whose flexitellers you use? Westpac and St George. $1 a go.

Also Westpac are giving you a good rate at present because of the furour with them ripping off the home loan market. It won't last long.
 
Why don't I change? $4/month doesn't bother me a great deal. .

Its roughly the price of a beer at the pub. You are shouting the bank a beer every month. Good on you. Maybe the CEO will shout you back some day.:)
 
True. You can't access the money at a flexiteller . And guess whose flexitellers you use? Westpac and St George. $1 a go.

That's OK, I don't wish to access my savings accounts at a teller, I do all my transferring online. As for ATM fee's, I don't ever think Ive payed a $1 or $2 fee in 5 years. No worries for me :)
 
That's OK, I don't wish to access my savings accounts at a teller, I do all my transferring online. As for ATM fee's, I don't ever think Ive payed a $1 or $2 fee in 5 years. No worries for me :)

I wrote that wrong. With the basic savings account with ME (the lower interest one) you can access Wespac and St George Flexitellers for $1.

I actually use Australian Credit Union for my day to day stuff but have the advantage of having a credit union flexiteller near work which is free.

Didn't Westpac only recently get rid of some fees?
 
My ComSec cash management account is great. No fees, links directly to a savings account, free debit card (with no withdrawal fee - for any ATM), and free transfers to other accounts.

My Usaver account is also fantastic - they're with NAB. So, in answer to your question, no.

If you're being screwed with fees, you're just a sucker, and you deserve it.
 
Myself and my girlfriend both currently bank with Westpac. Have been for about 4-5 years now. Absolutely no complaints at all. We both pay no fees on all of our accounts, unlimited transactions, a good interest rate on our savings (currently 5.45%). What more could we want?
If that's their reward saver you can't withdraw money and get that rate. A combination of online saver at 5.25% and 12-month term deposit at 6.8% (6.6% with interest payable monthly) may be better for those who want some flexability.

If you are saving and have not yet owned a home the following is worth considering.

http://www.membersequity.com.au/personal/savings_accounts/first_home_saver.html

Of the majors, Ubank (NAB) offers the highest savings (5.51% unconditional) and 12-month term deposit rate (6.81%) that I can see.
 
Hmm - interesting post.
I have been with St George for years (since they came to WA) and the ride, until recently, has been great.

For straight forward transaction accounts and "everyday" home loans I couldnt knock them. Recently however, as my cicumstances have changed to being less "ordinary" their people and systems have failed me badly.

I am currently shopping around and will be avoiding the big 4. Unfortunatly though they pay brokers the most, so it is hard to convince a broker to move away from them - and I need to go through a broker because I am traveling so much :banghead:

Does anyone on here have a private bank manager (in Perth)? Would you recomend them?
 
I've been with ANZ for ever, first in NZ and now in Australia. Never had one complaint about anything. Never paid fees. Their website allows quick and efficient internet banking, payment of bills etc, the phone is answered by a real person usually within a minute, and the staff at my local branch have been there a long time and remember personal details every time. The branch manager's door is always open, literally.

However, I do shop around for term deposit rates of online cash a/c's for my SF and am about to go to CBA for their 6.8% 12 month TD.
 
I was with Advanced Bank, they got taken over by St George. I was very, very happy with St George. Did a stint at Comm Bank and came back to St George. At the time, St George internet banking was miles ahead anything else l had come across, but that was some time ago. I figure that they are all pretty much equal nowdays.
Had to swap everything across to BoQ (refinanced property) and l'm happy with them.
Pros
BoQ have ATM's everywhere.
I've also walked into my local branch and had a chat with the manager numerous times. Guess because they are franchised, it might be different to other banks?!?
Cons
Home Loan rates are a little bit on the expensive
Internet banking looks very dated/basic
Their credit Cards don't have a very good points earned on purchases system though.
 
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