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Self Managed Super

Boggo, the Trust Deed doesn't need to show what the Fund is investing in, unless presumably you have incorporated the Investment Strategy into the Trust Deed.

To do this wouldn't seem to make much sense as pretty obviously the investment strategy for most people is going to change according to market conditions and the situation of the member(s).

I just update the Investment Strategy from time to time and this is just a couple of paragraphs.
 
I just update the Investment Strategy from time to time and this is just a couple of paragraphs.

Not that simple with derivatives (assuming writing options are an approved derivative), a dividend risk statement (DRS) must be prepared and both the Investment Strategy and Trust Deed must reflect that ability is my understanding of the rules, I am willing to be corrected though.

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thanks for your reply boggo. have already trawled the ATO website without much luck.

this is from your first link;


the second para seems to confirm the point about the trust deed, but i would assume a blanket statement about buying and selling ETOs would cover that part of it.

dealing in options is clearly ok, but the problem i have taking statements like the above as confirmation is that they all use the term 'invest in', which to me implies buying rather than writing, which might or might not match the intent of the rules. I am not sure if this is deliberate or they are just using the word incorrectly.
 
You're likely right about the Trust Deed having to specifically allow for derivatives, Boggo.
I don't use them so haven't had to consider that.
If I wanted to get a clear definition I'd be contacting the ATO rather than just relying on my interpretation of anything on their website.
 
If I wanted to get a clear definition I'd be contacting the ATO rather than just relying on my interpretation of anything on their website.

Agree Julia, especially if intending to write puts.

I had to produce a DRS etc a few years ago to be compliant when using Instalment Warrants.
 
boggo, moved response re 'Superannuation warehouse' here to keep both threads on topic;

yes well that will depend a bit on how quickly they respond and how well they answer the questions I put, so I will let you know how that turns out....

apart from that, I am impressed by their website and the information on it (templates etc), and the $79/month deal seem the best I have come across for what it includes (although I havent trawled them all for sure). Provided you supply them with good data and check the work they send back, i dont see any need to pay any more.

I have downloaded their templates and amended them, and as long as they look like they are somewhat efficient in responding to my queries I think I will be giving them a go.

In fact if I didnt trade options and just wanted a place to store shares, I would have no problems swapping to Bell Direct and going for the $39/month deal, as their share trading costs at $15/.1% are less than comsec anyway
 
superannuation ware did respond last night. here are the 2 questions and their answers;

1) Are there any known problems with using Interactive Brokers as broker for shares and options? There seems to be some possible problem in that they dont offer Chess Sponsorship so there is no HIN (at this time). They also do not issue a dividend statement which specifically notes the franking amounts and tax credits on dividends. But it is easy enough to look up the franked % and rate on the ASX website and apply them.
2) Is or is it not Ok to write options in a SMSF, and are those sort of transactions covered under your monthly fee ? I am thinking here of covered calls (pretty sure these are ok) but also puts. I cannot find any definitive answer on writing puts on the net.
Further, if written puts are allowed, is it known whether they must be 100% cash secured, or i am thinking it would be ok as long as the margin requirements are covered with cash (which is the equivalent of posting margin for CFDs in cash).


ANSWERS
1. You can use any broker you want as long as the account name is in the name of your SMSF. Dividends should be deposited in the bank account or will be reflected on the broker statement as a re-investment.

2. You want write call or put options. As long as the purpose of the fund is to provide for your retirement income. You can not be an active short term trader running a business in a SMSF. Writing call and put options is earning an income on an asset, so thats OK.
 

Is that a contradictory statement or am I misunderstanding it ?

Instalment warrants are the limit of my derivatives.

I will be in Melb sometime in the next few weeks so I might pop in and see these people.
 
The following comes courtesy Colin Twiggs who probably won't mind it being reproduced here.
 
For anyone using IB for your SMSF do you mind letting me know who you use for you admin work? And if an online provider do you recommend them?

Obviously Esuper is out with IB. The increase commissions on option contracts for me would be around $3,000 pa which would more than wipe out any savings in admin fees.

I am with Commsec now with the SMSF but use IB for all other trading. Once you use IB it is hard to stay with Australian brokers when you realise how overprice and crap their trading platforms are.

I spoke with someone at http://www.superaccounting.com.au who informed me you can use IB as your broker for around $1,500 pa for 300 transactions. He also warned about selling puts in a super fund and said selling covered calls would be safer. Hmm right, so I told him I sell synthetic covered calls, he said that was fine.
 
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