Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

[pilots]

i just read the story about kay danes. very interesting. it draws some interesting comparisons to that of schapelle corby.

they are similar becasue both kay and schapelle seem to have brokern the laws of a foreign country and got busted for it. and paid the price.

kay, if you go to communist dictatorship and engage in activities that have anything to do with human rights or the security industry you are either a spy or a trouble maker. what do you expect will happen?

just who has experience in the security industry, surveilance, interregation resistance, hmmmmmm.

anyway regardless of what you were there for, either to spy on them or start a rebellion, you had to expect somehting like that to happen to you... hell i could have told you that. now even though i agree that those regimes should be changed, you are under their sovreignty whilst there and at their mercy.

they believed you borke their laws and bingo. they believed you were either spying or a threat to them in other ways and they took action against you. no surprise there.

now, notice that the australian government lobbied in order to seucre kay's release. this is bacause the aussie government believed you were either innocent or doing what is in our national interest. so thats why you are free, and you know that....... who knows what strings they pulled or who they paid or what they did to get you out.... excellent... i am gald... and it only reenforces my statement several days ago that our government will not leave an innocent perosn behind.

if corby was innocent and our government knew it... it would take a phone call and she would be out. she is still in there because the powers that be know she is in it waist deep. the diabolical drug trafficking mastermind. schapelle "the mastermind" corby.

thanks kay, you are living proof that she belongs there.

Slim, you win, this post is the best so far on this thread. 99.9 out of 100.

 

[nulla nulla]

Maybe next time she gets a leave pass for beauty therapy, she can meet up with her sister and do a dual photo shoot. That would rally her supporters and raise a few dollars for another round of appeals etc.

 

[slim pickins]

Slim, you win, this post is the best so far on this thread. 99.9 out of 100.

finally. a voice of reason on this topic! i think we've nailed it, check mate. used one of her advocates to prove she belongs there. i wanna hear kay say the aussie government leaves its own behind. she cant say that can she. corby stays. we all know why.

 

[chops_a_must]

finally. a voice of reason on this topic! i think we've nailed it, check mate. used one of her advocates to prove she belongs there. i wanna hear kay say the aussie government leaves its own behind. she cant say that can she. corby stays. we all know why.

I'd say her case has more to do with hubby being a member or former member of the SAS than anything...

 

[Calliope]

Why is it not surprising to read in foreigneignprisoners.com that the present two best friends of Corby's mother (Rosleigh Rose) just happened to be on the same flight to Bali as Corby and her brother, the day she was nabbed. Apparently Corby drew the short straw that day.

If any of the star-struck posters on this thread who fantasise over Corby's image, would like to know what she will look like when she get out of jail...see below.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

theyll just photo shop her. like her sister.

 

[ZackW]

Somehow this post ALWAYS seems to be appropriate on here:

An so back to this:

because it explains why so many people in Australia run around in circles repeating endless smears and lies. It has given confidence to seriously twisted people to post their hatred on forums like this one.

Is twisted the wrong word? I don't think so. How else do you explain someone who makes DOZENS of posts telling the world to walk away and leave this poor woman to suffer? How else do you explain the cruel terminology used, which exhibits relish and satisfaction at her misery? Examples?

Look at this:

Originally Posted by knocker:
How sad she is locked in a cage lol maybe she is vying for an acting career. Or maybe she had a rough night with the wardens.

and this:
Originally Posted by pilots
You lame ducks can cry all you like, I would suggest that you stock up on tears, you will need them, as you still have 16 YEARS TO GO.

and this:
Originally Posted by Calliope
Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus.​

This thread is full of sick posts like them. Would YOU be happy if your mother or your wife/husband were posting stuff like this, and were posting again and again and again trying to argue to have someone’s pain continue? Would you not be seriously questioning WHY? What motivates someone to be like that? What is wrong with them?


When the real issues and facts are presented, in this case superbly well by Schu, they squirm. They throw back low level sound bytes they have been fed by the media over the years. Sound bites and smears which in fact have all been totally discredited by research from people like Schu and others.

But they can't cope with it, so back we go around the circle. Repeat the smears yet again, because a few pages later they have already forgotten the answer they were provided with.


Largely, they don't even understand the issues in the first place. They don't grasp the concept of human rights. They don't understand the gross abuses which occurred with respect to Schapelle Corby, and they have no chance of understanding the implications of them.

They tell us to walk away and that she will never be free. They almost urge us to be like them. Personally, but seriously, I would rather not exist at all than be like that.

Just look at them. Look at the venim, the way they desperately seek any smear, any lie, any excuse. Would you like to meet any of them in the real world? Knowing what is inside them? Seeing the spiteful hatred on here, and the twisted pleasure at Schapelle Corby's pain?

These are seriously nasty and vile people.

 

[mayk]

Somehow this post ALWAYS seems to be appropriate on here:



Just look at them. Look at the venim, the way they desperately seek any smear, any lie, any excuse. Would you like to meet any of them in the real world? Knowing what is inside them? Seeing the spiteful hatred on here, and the twisted pleasure at Schapelle Corby's pain?

These are seriously nasty and vile people.

Nasty indeed : Why don't you put all this into another video with your facts and figures?

P.S Miss Tingtong said she will be watching you...

 

[Calliope]

Just look at them. Look at the venim, the way they desperately seek any smear, any lie, any excuse. Would you like to meet any of them in the real world? Knowing what is inside them? Seeing the spiteful hatred on here, and the twisted pleasure at Schapelle Corby's pain?

These are seriously nasty and vile people.

Zack, if you are looking for seriously nasty and vile people, I suggest you look no further than the whole Corby gang and the growing band of self-seekers jumping on their band-wagon for their own publicity and mercenary gain.

 

[FPSS]

"kay, if you go to communist dictatorship and engage in activities that have anything to do with human rights or the security industry you are either a spy or a trouble maker. what do you expect will happen?"


Just proving your own ignorance yet again unfortunately because you really are doing yourself an injustice!

You know absolutely nothing about me or my husband or our situation. Frankly, I don't care to explain myself to you either because you obviously have some trouble with basic comprehension. Also, clearly, you are a very closed minded person who should try to look beyond your own views of what you 'think' you know, and instead of attacking someone like me, whom you don't know anything about.... You should get a bit more aware.

What do you condemn people because it makes you feel better? What an odd person you are.

Putting aside your own obvious misgivings, I do however agree with you on one point, that if the Australian government were wholly convinced that Schapelle Corby were innocent, then they would have made every attempt to secure her release. BUT... it wouldn't just take a phone call for her to be out..... even when there is overwheling proof of innocence, there are still no guarantees!

Mr. Downer once said to a hundred strong auidence at a function where I was attending, was that the Australian Government aided us because they knew we were innocent... and when they believe an Australian is innocent they will do everything they can to bring them home.

I am not on trial here Sir.... and my reputation is more than intact.... and our case was well documented and it was clear to those involved, what was going on. And just because my husband was an SAS soldier, isn't the reason why they brought us home, in fact, to the contrary but that is not a conversation I'm going to have here in a public forum. However, he is still a serving member of the Special Forces and very highly regarded.... and puts his life on the line for people like you!

Instead of attacking me, why don't you stick to the facts of the Corby case, hence what the thread is titled.

I was happy to contribute to this discussion as invited, however I see there is very little point in me staying, given there is obviously no interest in logical discussion.

 

[Stormin_Norman]

a serving member of the Special Forces and very highly regarded.... and puts his life on the line for people like you!

not me. but i should open another thread to discuss pacifism.

 

[FPSS]

Maybe .... actually I don't support the invasion of another country either... trouble is when countries invite forces in to help sort out the existing troubles.... but that's a whole other topic as you say.

 

[slim pickins]

Putting aside your own obvious misgivings, I do however agree with you on one point, that if the Australian government were wholly convinced that Schapelle Corby were innocent, then they would have made every attempt to secure her release. BUT... it wouldn't just take a phone call for her to be out..... even when there is overwheling proof of innocence, there are still no guarantees!

Mr. Downer once said to a hundred strong auidence at a function where I was attending, was that the Australian Government aided us because they knew we were innocent... and when they believe an Australian is innocent they will do everything they can to bring them home.

there you go team corby..... from the horses own mouth. she will tell you why corby is still in jail and why she will stay there.

kay.. i have no beef with you. thank you for admitting the obvious. if schapelle was innocent she would be free today. the governemtn knows she is not and they arent even trying.. never have never will.

dont worry.... i have no interest in what you did or why you do it. btu if you claim to be so innocent do you have any idea why you were arrested? surely they must have had some reason. of course you know very well.

but i wont continue this... i dont want any of us to be in breach of commonwealth secrets act... then i will really need you help to get out of jail

lets just end it with....... "australia looks after its own innocent citizens".

 

[slim pickins]

I am not on trial here Sir.... and my reputation is more than intact.... and our case was well documented and it was clear to those involved, what was going on. And just because my husband was an SAS soldier, isn't the reason why they brought us home, in fact, to the contrary but that is not a conversation I'm going to have here in a public forum. However, he is still a serving member of the Special Forces and very highly regarded.... and puts his life on the line for people like you!

no madam you are not! and let me just add that i appreciate you and your husbands contribution to australia's security and your contribution to the spread of freedom and democracy in our region.

i am very happy they got you out of there.

 

[FPSS]

Slim.... I've told the Corby Supporters on several occassions that it matters very little about whether they think Schapelle Corby is innocent because unless they can actually prove it .... then her situation remains unchanged doesn't it? We can all have an opinion either way and some are still uncertain as to the how and why.

The problem as I see it, is that people get too caught up in the innocent/guilt issue. They should look at the broader issues.

You made comparrisons with our case and the Corby's but in a legal sense there are no comparrisons... our lawyer was able to submit 317 page book of evidence to the Australian Government and hence why the Aust Govt supported us. Had Schapelle's legal team been able to do similar, then it would have been a different story.

It is fairly obvious so I have no probs stating it.... and hence has been the problem all along as to why the Aust Government cannot support her.

Yes, I do know why my husband and I were arrested... but surely this is not the thread for that. Do you want me to PM you some information for your own interest.... or do you want to wait till March and read the book 'Standing Ground' which will explain everything! lol.

 

[Buddy]

"kay, if you go to communist dictatorship and engage in activities that have anything to do with human rights or the security industry you are either a spy or a trouble maker. what do you expect will happen?"


Just proving your own ignorance yet again unfortunately because you really are doing yourself an injustice!

You know absolutely nothing about me or my husband or our situation. Frankly, I don't care to explain myself to you either because you obviously have some trouble with basic comprehension. Also, clearly, you are a very closed minded person who should try to look beyond your own views of what you 'think' you know, and instead of attacking someone like me, whom you don't know anything about.... You should get a bit more aware.

What do you condemn people because it makes you feel better? What an odd person you are.

Putting aside your own obvious misgivings, I do however agree with you on one point, that if the Australian government were wholly convinced that Schapelle Corby were innocent, then they would have made every attempt to secure her release. BUT... it wouldn't just take a phone call for her to be out..... even when there is overwheling proof of innocence, there are still no guarantees!

Mr. Downer once said to a hundred strong auidence at a function where I was attending, was that the Australian Government aided us because they knew we were innocent... and when they believe an Australian is innocent they will do everything they can to bring them home.

I am not on trial here Sir.... and my reputation is more than intact.... and our case was well documented and it was clear to those involved, what was going on. And just because my husband was an SAS soldier, isn't the reason why they brought us home, in fact, to the contrary but that is not a conversation I'm going to have here in a public forum. However, he is still a serving member of the Special Forces and very highly regarded.... and puts his life on the line for people like you!

Instead of attacking me, why don't you stick to the facts of the Corby case, hence what the thread is titled.

I was happy to contribute to this discussion as invited, however I see there is very little point in me staying, given there is obviously no interest in logical discussion.

Yes Kay, Slim is way out of order on this one. Obviously has never heard of your plight or knows anything about you. And there is no similarity between your situation and Corby, apart from the fact that it happened in a foreign country. I agree with you that the muttonheads on this forum should stay on track with the topic, which is Corby. Thank you for your impartial contribution to the forum on this topic and please dont give up. Just ignore the porkchops who think they have something of value to say re your situation.

BTW, I'm not sure that Percy and Trowell can be considered to have been capable of adding anything significant to Corby's case, which had been turned into a 3 ring circus by the media, family, hangers on, by the time they came on the scene. I know Trowell has some experience with their legal system but is not permitted to directly address the court - besides what good would that be without fluent Indonesian capability (which I dont think he has). And I'm also not sure they (by themselves) could be seen as quality legal representation in Indonesia even though they are high profile in Australia.

And, not that it's particularly relevant (just another twist in this whole sorry saga), but Mark Trowell has appeared in Sept 2008 before the West Australian State Administrative Tribunal this year over claims he acted unprofessionally when he released confidential information about the Corby case in 2005.


And for the record.. yet again..... I believe Corby has been harshly dealt with by their system. And with the benefit of hindsight, I would (hopefully) bet that if it could be rerun, Corby would not allow the saga to unfold in the way that it did. But no surprise of course.

 

[ewann]

...kay.. i have no beef with you...
dont worry.... i have no interest in what you did or why you do it. btu if you claim to be so innocent do you have any idea why you were arrested? surely they must have had some reason. of course you know very well...

If you have no beef with Kay then why continue to presume her guilt? It really doesn't take much more than some careful reading to see that the ridiculous charges that were brought up against her and her husband were entirely fabricated-not to mention their detainment completely illegal. Kay has said it herself, "Bad things do happen to good people."

It would be quite a shame to lose someone, on any forum, who actually has knowledge on the case, how foreign proceedings occur, and doesn't spew hatred and misinformation every chance they get. I think she can offer us some insight that we would otherwise not have and would like to see her stick around...and who knows, you might actually learn something if you'd just sit still long enough to listen to her instead of attack what she has to say. It seems to me that all you want to do is incite an argument and not field a discussion. Quite a difference as a "forum" is a place for discussion not hatred.

 

[pilots]

there you go team corby..... from the horses own mouth. she will tell you why corby is still in jail and why she will stay there.

kay.. i have no beef with you. thank you for admitting the obvious. if schapelle was innocent she would be free today. the governemtn knows she is not and they arent even trying.. never have never will.

dont worry.... i have no interest in what you did or why you do it. btu if you claim to be so innocent do you have any idea why you were arrested? surely they must have had some reason. of course you know very well.

but i wont continue this... i dont want any of us to be in breach of commonwealth secrets act... then i will really need you help to get out of jail

Hell Slim you are on a roll, two top post in the same day, Wazko Zacko, you have shot your self in the foot so many time I don't know that you will EVER be able to stand up again.
Zacko, your Video of seven facts has only the first one right when are you going to fix this Lie you keep posting.??

 

[FPSS]

Dear Buddy,

Thank you for your support. I think the whole Corby case gets peope fired up emotionally and it's understandable.... the whole case was played out in the media like some Gerry Springer rerun.

The good news is, that as bad as the case turned out, it has been of great benefit to many other families. they have learnt from this case, what not to do, and what to do. There have been other positives too, for example; people can get their baggage wrapped at the airports. Granted, someone obviously saw a way to make money and capitalised, but I"m for anything that keeps Aussie travellers safe when they go abroad.

People too seem more aware now that the judicial process in other countries can often be very different from our own. This is something that many people just took for granted.

So though it hasn't turned out very well for Schapelle Corby, her case has still had a positive impact for others.

 

[Agentm]

Slim.... I've told the Corby Supporters on several occassions that it matters very little about whether they think Schapelle Corby is innocent because unless they can actually prove it .... then her situation remains unchanged doesn't it? We can all have an opinion either way and some are still uncertain as to the how and why.

The problem as I see it, is that people get too caught up in the innocent/guilt issue. They should look at the broader issues.

You made comparrisons with our case and the Corby's but in a legal sense there are no comparrisons... our lawyer was able to submit 317 page book of evidence to the Australian Government and hence why the Aust Govt supported us. Had Schapelle's legal team been able to do similar, then it would have been a different story.

It is fairly obvious so I have no probs stating it.... and hence has been the problem all along as to why the Aust Government cannot support her.

Yes, I do know why my husband and I were arrested... but surely this is not the thread for that. Do you want me to PM you some information for your own interest.... or do you want to wait till March and read the book 'Standing Ground' which will explain everything! lol.

thanks again for your input kay

there is no doubt in my mind that what your saying here is extremely simple yet for many its a very hard concept to understand, i appreciate what your saying and totally agree.

perhaps zackw can calm down one day enough to have some clear rational thoughts about your input and see some clarity.

re your book, are you allow to publish? were you found guilty? would the proceeds of crime act 2002 interfere with you?