Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

schu · 3 January 2009

slim pickins said:
if this happened.... i would most definitely get 20 years. you really think i wouldnt?

BUT... if someone, by some very very remote chance did put 1 kilo of heroin in my boot. the odds are i would find it before the cops. i would hide it where god couldnt find it... and i would sell it by the hit. after 6 months i would retire a very rich man!

regarding the poeple that got off in similar circumastances in malaysia and thailand...... names, links... because i simply dont believe it. sorry

Not in Australia you wouldn't. The prosecution would have to prove that you had knowledge of the drugs being in there beyond a reasonable doubt. And you shouldn't in Indonesia, either.

And, if you were convicted, you would accept that and just shrug your shoulders about it no problems?

As for the people in similar circumstances, I am absolutely not dragging their names into this so they can be attacked and slandered. The information is available if you want to look for it.

schu · 3 January 2009

pilots said:
ADO, She is rotting in a jail for a crime she has been CONVICTED of, if she was tried here in Australia for the same crime she would be convicted as well, granted she would only get a slap on the wrist here. Get over it, you will never get her out, you lot go on saying OO poor Schapelle, but out in the real world, 9 out of 10 people say stuff her, rot in hell. PS, I truly believe she could be taking the rap for her brother.

She would not have been convicted in Australia on the evidence that was presented to the Indonesian court and on which they based their decision. There is no way an Australian court would convict someone of importing and trafficking solely on the basis that the drugs were in their possession, and with the shaky testimony of someone who didn't speak their language and who was supported by someone who didn't even witness the exchange.

Aside from which, they would have tested the drugs in Australia for origin and DNA evidence, fingerprinted the bags, properly considered evidence relating to the situation in the airports, accepted the testimony of experts as having merit, and listened to the person who drafted their laws when he gave an explanation of what they meant.

nunthewiser · 3 January 2009

schu said:
. There is no way an Australian court would convict someone of importing and trafficking solely on the basis that the drugs were in their possession, .

ROFLMAO!!!!! my sides .........my sides .............what was that ripping sound ??? oh thats em splitting darl!!

what planet u on ??

u telling me that in oz i can walk through an airport with a big bag of dope and not be convicted when caught ?? get real m8 .

geez this thread is bleedin laughable

why am i posting here

geez im gunna roll a number and join the rest of the stoners here

schu · 3 January 2009

nunthewiser said:
yeah mate i decided to stop posting here before because of the same fantasy stories being posted by the same fanatics on a daily basis .....

But then i see a post declaring her actual innocence and reporting she is actually not guilty

just wondered how this new oracle knew this for a fact

my view remains the same .. do the crime .do the time...... other than that the law has spoken and aint she the halfwit for treading on the wrong countrys toes

The fantasy stories are coming from the people who are against Schapelle. The people who support her do so by pointing out facts, pointing out the gaps in evidence, questioning the lack of adherence to the Indonesian legal system and querying the actions of the Indonesian and Australian government. None of what supporters post is fantasy at all; in fact, quite the opposite.

It is a fact that the customs officer who claimed she said the marijuana was hers didn't speak English enough to have a rudimentary conversation. It is a fact that the person who backed him up wasn't present. It is a fact that the Indonesians refused to test the marijuana. It is a fact that they refused to fingerprint the bags. It is a fact that they refused to weigh the luggage. It is also a fact that Schapelle and the Corbys begged for these to happen over and over again.

It is also a fact that the head judge came out and said Schapelle had to prove her innocence, despite the presumption of innocence in Indonesian law. It is a fact that the trafficking charge was added later, despite no new evidence. It is also a fact that Schapelle's sentence was in no way commensurate with equivalent crimes and circumstances.

It is a fact that a cocaine importing operation via baggage handlers was going on in Sydney airport at the very time that Schapelle's luggage was sitting in an unsecured area awaiting being put on the plane to Bali.

The fantasy in all this is believing that she is unquestionably guilty and received a fair trial.

schu · 3 January 2009

nunthewiser said:
ROFLMAO!!!!! my sides .........my sides .............what was that ripping sound ??? oh thats em splitting darl!!

what planet u on ??

u telling me that in oz i can walk through an airport with a big bag of dope and not be convicted when caught ?? get real m8 .

geez this thread is bleedin laughable

why am i posting here

geez im gunna roll a number and join the rest of the stoners here

It would really help the discussion if you would actually read what I wrote properly and consider all of it together.

I did not say that walking through the airport with a big bag of dope would not get you a conviction. I said that simply having the drugs in your possession would not be enough to support an importing or trafficking charge. If indeed it was proven beyond reasonable doubt that you had knowledge of the drugs in the bag and that there was evidence of importing and trafficking, of course you would be convicted. But that knowledge and demonstration of importation and trafficking would have to be shown. It wasn't in Schapelle's case. So, in equivalent circumstances in Australia, with only the drugs in your possession and testimony of someone who couldn't understand you, without anything else in support, you would not be convicted of importation or trafficking.

Oh, and Schapelle wasn't walking through the airport with the drugs. They were discovered after her brother dragged the bag to the customs counter and she willingly opened it.

Julia · 3 January 2009

schu said:
There is a difference between choosing to support a cause based on personal interest and actively slagging off other causes to their detriment. If you're not interested in this one, then why comment on it? Would you think it good for people to come in and slag off the causes that you find of interest?

Schu, if you post your views on a public forum you have to accept that those who disagree with you will more than likely express their disagreement.

Like Sails, I have no idea whether Ms Corby is guilty or not.
But I seriously doubt that any of the passionate supporters of her cause will change her outcomes by posting on a stock forum.

schu · 3 January 2009

Julia said:
Schu, if you post your views on a public forum you have to accept that those who disagree with you will more than likely express their disagreement.

Like Sails, I have no idea whether Ms Corby is guilty or not.
But I seriously doubt that any of the passionate supporters of her cause will change her outcomes by posting on a stock forum.

The questions were not meant to seem rhetorical. I was interested in the answers.

Garpal Gumnut · 3 January 2009

Julia said:
Schu, if you post your views on a public forum you have to accept that those who disagree with you will more than likely express their disagreement.

Like Sails, I have no idea whether Ms Corby is guilty or not.
But I seriously doubt that any of the passionate supporters of her cause will change her outcomes by posting on a stock forum.

These are the same tactics Schu that got her such a long sentence in the first place.
Not many people would support bringing her back here for a trial or a prisoner swap, precisely because of this high handed approach.

gg

slim pickins · 3 January 2009

Ado said:
There is only one reason why Schapelle wanted the luggage re-weighed. Because she knew that doing so would clear her name.

There is no other reason ... and its because of this (and other odd peculiarities within her trial), that Schapelle's supporters are growing in large numbers around the world.

ive never had the weight of my bags added up at check-in and printed on my little stick on ticket. and 65KG for one person seems excessive.

anyway if itis 65kg thats a lot of baggage. at least 4 bags. lots of confusion. a skillful trafficer could us a distraction to put an extra 4kg of drugs in there after the weight is printed off.

but suppose she really did check in the bags without the drugs. suppose the baggage handlers did put the drugs in there..... OK, they put the drugs in there for HER. someone has to carry them out of the airport. she was the one who was supposed to carry it out of the airport. but she failed.

so checking the weight does not make her innocent. indeed its almost impossible to prove ones innocence.

if you believe in airport smuggling conspiricies its not far fetched to believe corby was a part of the conspiracy. and proof.... well, there is 4kg of proof

im still waiting for links and names of the poeple that were caught carrying drugs that got got off because they were "unsuspecting mules" and ill be waiting because there are no such people.

schu · 3 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
These are the same tactics Schu that got her such a long sentence in the first place.
Not many people would support bringing her back here for a trial or a prisoner swap, precisely because of this high handed approach.

gg

The actions and comments of members of the public should have had absolutely no impact on her case. To accept that that is the case means accepting that the issue was politicised and the trial conducted on the basis of politics. That is in itself an enormous issue, one that goes way beyond Schapelle personally. It is that sort of thing, in addition to the specifics, that I find concerning in this case.

Schapelle's situation should be judged by people, whether they be judges, lawyers, politicians or other members of the public, on its circumstances and merit alone. That is ALL the supporters are asking is done. It shouldn't matter at all how that is said because the issue is simply what has happened, not what is said about it nor what is done by people not directly connected with the situation.

I do not understand what is meant by high handed. I have said on many occasions that I don't deem Schapelle's situation more important than any other injustice. I look at and discuss many other issues. This is a thread about Schapelle Corby and so it seems logical to me that the discussion would focus on that here.

schu · 4 January 2009

slim pickins said:
ive never had the weight of my bags added up at check-in and printed on my little stick on ticket. and 65KG for one person seems excessive.

anyway if itis 65kg thats a lot of baggage. at least 4 bags. lots of confusion. a skillful trafficer could us a distraction to put an extra 4kg of drugs in there after the weight is printed off.

but suppose she really did check in the bags without the drugs. suppose the baggage handlers did put the drugs in there..... OK, they put the drugs in there for HER. someone has to carry them out of the airport. she was the one who was supposed to carry it out of the airport. but she failed.

so checking the weight does not make her innocent. indeed its almost impossible to prove ones innocence.

if you believe in airport smuggling conspiricies its not far fetched to believe corby was a part of the conspiracy. and proof.... well, there is 4kg of proof

im still waiting for links and names of the poeple that were caught carrying drugs that got got off because they were "unsuspecting mules" and ill be waiting because there are no such people.

The 65kg was for all four travellers. The total weight was printed on Schapelle's ticket.

And you are now suggesting that in the middle of Brisbane airport, Schapelle opened up her bag and stuffed in a 4kg bag of marijuana? And prior to doing this, she managed to conceal it on her person while she was checking in? And nobody noticed.

The premise of the drugs being put into her bag by baggage handlers is that it was either meant to be collected by them at some point but was not or that it was put into the wrong bag, not that it was put in there for Schapelle. There has been absolutely nothing to suggest that Schapelle had any connection whatsoever to the baggage handlers.

And as for her not being able to prove her innocence, that is precisely the point you are missing. The accused does not have to prove their innocence; the onus is on the prosecution to prove their guilt. It would be nearly impossible for anyone to prove their innocence in most cases, which is precisely why the burden is the other way around. Indonesia has this enshrined in their legal system, but it was not adhered to.

And, as I said, I am not naming the people because I do not think that is fair on them. Although the cases are technically public record, I am not going to drag their names into this and expose them to abuse. The cases are out there to find if you want to research them. You will probably come across others, other than the ones I have mentioned as well.

pilots · 4 January 2009

Schu, you can get ANYTHING you want in Indonesia if you pay the money, including a retrial.

Now ADO, You are right, I do say she could have been taking the drugs for her sister/brother, but she is the one who said yes it is my bag, she is the one who said I am in trouble, she could be taking the rap for the brother/sister, so! if she is going to take the rap for them, she must do the time.
You say the only hope you now have is a Diplomatic one, well mate that will NOT HAPPEN.

As for the growing number supporters for her, it looks like you now have 11 supporters, that up on last time.

slim pickins · 4 January 2009

sure they could have slipped the drugs in the bag in the middle of the airport. i saw a magician saw a woman in half in front of 1,000 people before he made ver vanish.

its not absurd to suggest baggage handlers put in in there for her. excellent way to get past security and customs. even you admit it happens. why not add a twist and get a passanger to carry it out.

very plausible to me the AFP and the indonesians.

the funny thing is... we will never convice each other... but the more i learn from you guys... the more i am convinced she is guilty. i used to think she was just this naiive gold coast girl who made a wrong decision to fund her holiday to bali.... wheres now i am convinced she is a diabolical mastermind of drug trafficiking, who intricately planned every aspect of her scheme and even made provisions and set up a system of plausible deniablity to use public opinion to tip her over the edge in the quest for "reasonable doubt" .

i am now very very thankfult hat they have got her and would like to congratulate the AFP for actually doing its job once in a while.

if AFP contunue like this, you soon wont be able to buy drugs in schools and prisons anymore.

Ado · 4 January 2009

Garpal Gumnut said:
No mate, I couldn't be bothered.

gg

Yes its cosy being ignorant.

ZackW · 4 January 2009

ZackW said:
And so back, yet again, to this:
because it explains why so many people in Australia run around in circles repeating endless smears and lies. It has given confidence to seriously twisted people to post their hatred on forums like this one.

Is twisted the wrong word? I don't think so. How else do you explain someone who makes DOZENS of posts telling the world to walk away and leave this poor woman to suffer? How else do you explain the cruel terminology used, which exhibits relish and satisfaction at her misery? Examples?

Look at this:

Originally Posted by knocker:
How sad she is locked in a cage lol maybe she is vying for an acting career. Or maybe she had a rough night with the wardens.

and this:
Originally Posted by pilots
You lame ducks can cry all you like, I would suggest that you stock up on tears, you will need them, as you still have 16 YEARS TO GO.

and this:
Originally Posted by Calliope
Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus.

This thread is full of sick posts like them. Would YOU be happy if your mother or your wife/husband were posting stuff like this, and were posting again and again and again trying to argue to have someone’s pain continue? Would you not be seriously questioning WHY? What motivates someone to be like that? What is wrong with them?

When the real issues and facts are presented, in this case superbly well by Schu, they squirm. They throw back low level sound bytes they have been fed by the media over the years. Sound bites and smears which in fact have all been totally discredited by research from people like Schu and others.

But they can't cope with it, so back we go around the circle. Repeat the smears yet again, because a few pages later they have already forgotten the answer they were provided with.

Largely, they don't even understand the issues in the first place. They don't grasp the concept of human rights. They don't understand the gross abuses which occurred with respect to Schapelle Corby, and they have no chance of understanding the implications of them.

They tell us to walk away and that she will never be free. They almost urge us to be like them. Personally, but seriously, I would rather not exist at all than be like that.

And so we go around again. The same sick minds posting the same callous comments. I wonder what in their lives made them so sick?

Calliope said:
Is the Corby case the only "injustice" that you are concerned about? If so, why pick her?

Because it came my attention, and it is clear as day that she is innocent (and to anyone who isn't too lazy to THINK or question) and because the government/media are trying to bury her. She is desperate, and I am a human.

What makes you post vile comments like "Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus? Do your parents and friends know you publically campaign to hurt someone suffering misery? Are they proud of you?

Garpal Gumnut said:
Not many people would support bringing her back here for a trial or a prisoner swap, precisely because of this high handed approach.

There is no high handed approach, except the one in your head. And most people would want her back home: more than four years in that hell hole is sufficient torture for all but the most sadistic of sickies.

And what happened to your vile friends, as in this implied threat:

Garpal Gumnut said:
My contact in Jakarta Ms.Tingtong hs been transferred to the UK Embassy of Indonesia and now lives in Tooting, a suburb of London. Prior to her departure she advised me you live somewhere between Lismore and Southport, areas of Australia I avoid as much as possible, due to the large numbers of bludgers who live in that space (excuse the pun)

Why didn't you answer this one:

ZackW said:
So the source of those threats to Schapelle if I don't stop posting has now tracked me down personally? Gosh. I'm honored, but in view of the inferred threat to my safety, I am so frightened. I am guessing that you are deluded, but if not (and I am addressing intelligent people here and not you) is this acceptable to ANYONE? A foreign regime attempting censorship of an Australian forum via this proxy guy?

Fortunately, you can see from the Tara Hack video, which has been hidden from the Australian public, that there are an increasing number of Brits who are concerned about the gross abuse of Schapelle Corby's human rights:

In fact that was even produced by a Brit. So in the interests of British security, I'll contact one of them and ask them to pass the details on to their government. I feel sure they will be interested to know that a member of staff there is operating in this manner and passing privately obtained information to a member of the public. Who knows, maybe they will be less sycophantic than the Australian government, and do something about it.

I'll tell you what: I'll contact one of the Brit guys right now and suggest that they expose your mate to their government, and name YOU as the source. I'll refer them here as proof.

Ado said:
Have either of you read the latest new evidence?

None of them have read the new evidence Aldo, like none of them have read the logs of the show trial, or learned to distinguish between fact and smear in the media, or taken the trouble to look beyond ANYTHING they have been fed by that media. They stopped THINKING a long time ago, well before the point at which they started to be driven by twisted hatred.

The result is what you see here. Nice, isn't it.

knocker · 4 January 2009

ZackW said:
And so we go around again. The same sick minds posting the same callous comments. I wonder what in their lives made them so sick?

Because it came my attention, and it is clear as day that she is innocent (and to anyone who isn't too lazy to THINK or question) and because the government/media are trying to bury her. She is desperate, and I am a human.

What makes you post vile comments like "Hopefully Corby won't be able to corrupt the gene pool while she is incarcerated. So that's a plus? Do your parents and friends know you publically campaign to hurt someone suffering misery? Are they proud of you?

There is no high handed approach, except the one in your head. And most people would want her back home: more than four years in that hell hole is sufficient torture for all but the most sadistic of sickies.

And what happened to your vile friends, as in this implied threat:

Why didn't you answer this one:

I'll tell you what: I'll contact one of the Brit guys right now and suggest that they expose your mate to their government, and name YOU as the source. I'll refer them here as proof.

None of them have read the new evidence Aldo, like none of them have read the logs of the show trial, or learned to distinguish between fact and smear in the media, or taken the trouble to look beyond ANYTHING they have been fed by that media. They stopped THINKING a long time ago, well before the point at which they started to be driven by twisted hatred.

The result is what you see here. Nice, isn't it.

Hey whacko zacko,are you Corbys PR manager?

Calliope · 4 January 2009

Her apologists always refer to Corby as Schapelle. What a sweet innocent musical sounding name it is. But with trashy origins. In time the name will become synonymous with "someone whose evil belies their innocent looks.'

The Corbys obviously thought they were on a good thing when they selected her for their mule.

The guys who selected a more obvious roughie like Renae Lawrence for a mule must have rocks in their heads.

pilots · 4 January 2009

Good morning Zacko, Lets look at the real FACTS, one her dad, been in trouble, two, her brother,been in trouble, three, her sister, known user, four, Schapelle is X Japan bar girl. I rest my case.

Now as for the new video, my kids used to make videos just like that, they had photo's of them self from all over the world, they had not set foot out side of Australia at the time they made them.

Only 16 years to go.

pilots · 4 January 2009

Calliope said:
Her apologists always refer to Corby as Schapelle. What a sweet innocent musical sounding name it is. But with trashy origins. In time the name will become synonymous with "someone whose evil belies their innocent looks.'

The Corbys obviously thought they were on a good thing when they selected her for their mule.

The guys who selected a more obvious roughie like Renae Lawrence for a mule must have rocks in their heads.

You can be sure as hell no one to day would name any kid Schapelle, as soon as the kid attended school it would have the Nick name MULE, DOPE, GRASS, JUNKIE.

Calliope · 4 January 2009

ZackW said:
Because it came my attention, and it is clear as day that she is innocent (and to anyone who isn't too lazy to THINK or question) and because the government/media are trying to bury her. She is desperate, and I am a human.

Most men in their adolescent years obsessed with the notion of rescuing the damsel in distress and she would be so grateful. We were raised on a diet of movies where the hero did just that. But we grew up into the real world.

I was interested in how Zack became so obsessed with Corby...and why pick her. His answer is above.

He joined this thread less than a month ago and has continually lashed out at those who do not share his distractions. He says such people are 'seriously twisted."

The following article throws some light on the subject of obsessive love. What is interesting is that the love object is often unattainable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_love

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