Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

ZackW · 29 December 2008

ZackW said:
If you want to analyze someone, take a look at the guy hiding behind the name 'pilot', for example. Almost all of his posts on ASF are clearly intended to hurt someone already suffering. Look at them. Ask yourself WHY someone would have such hatred in there heart for someone they have never met and who is living in misery.

Oh, and there is a formal request from her to the Consulate, ON record, to have the marijuana tested. Any comment to the contrary is smear and lie, and cannot be sourced other than through media smear.

Yet still he smears with lies to the effect that Schapelle Corby somehow stopped the testing (of course, without reference to something unambiguous and on record like a formal request), and smears with lies about her bag. Still he posts his hatred for a poor woman suffering in abject misery. What a nice and normal guy.

ZackW said:
Really? Doesn't that strike you as vile, an afront to human rights, to hurt someone because some guy posts on a forum? No? That is ok is it, a civilised regime? I am the problem and not a foul regime that treats human beings like that? Or are you trying your own brand of censorship on behalf of your foul friends? A 'shut up or we will hurt her' message?

Well? I am waiting for an answer to this, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta. Your foul friends in that regime, who are threatening to hurt an Australian citizen because some guy is posting on a forum - are you trying to censor this message board on their behalf?

Does anyone consider that sort of vile thinly-veiled threat to be civilized? Well? THINK ABOUT IT.

And yes, of course the 'trial' was political/racist (even the above threat illustrates this). Or is it normal for the president of a country to intervene via well timed media comments, for a sentence to bear no resemblance at all to the facts of a crime, for the human rights of the accused to be abused on a daily basis? The world can see this, even if the Australian media has done a hatchet job on her in her own country:

And no apology for posting that clip again - people need to actually read the WORDS in it and consider all those media reports over the years, and which part of that process they fit into. People need to think about why, and look at media ownership/interests and politics, and learn understand what words are used to report smear, versus fact. Then look at some of the posters on here, dutiful reporting as facts what the media have produced as smear.

Then the reality of Schapelle Corby's terrible suffering, whilst we even have horrible threats via people like Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta to try to stop these issues even being raised.

Garpal Gumnut · 29 December 2008

ZackW said:
Yet still he smears with lies to the effect that Schapelle Corby somehow stopped the testing (of course, without reference to something unambiguous and on record like a formal request), and smears with lies about her bag. Still he posts his hatred for a poor woman suffering in abject misery. What a nice and normal guy.

Well? I am waiting for an answer to this, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta. Your foul friends in that regime, who are threatening to hurt an Australian citizen because some guy is posting on a forum - are you trying to censor this message board on their behalf?

Does anyone consider that sort of vile thinly-veiled threat to be civilized? Well? THINK ABOUT IT.

And yes, of course the 'trial' was political/racist (even the above threat illustrates this). Or is it normal for the president of a country to intervene via well timed media comments, for a sentence to bear no resemblance at all to the facts of a crime, for the human rights of the accused to be abused on a daily basis? The world can see this, even if the Australian media has done a hatchet job on her in her own country.

ZackW you obviously feel strongly that this young lady was the subject of a vast conspiracy.

Indonesians are people too, they have their laws, eat , sleep and reproduce, as we do. They do not like foreign drug smugglers. they are poor though and tolearte the antics and money brought to them via Australian tourists. If they could make a quid some other way , then they would.

Corby and her family and friends have created such a kerfuffle over this, that they do monitor any publication on her case. Thats life. ASIO probably do the same.

Happy New Year.

gg

pilots · 29 December 2008

Zack, Lets try this, a request was made to test the drugs, Zack, WHY DID THE TEST NOT GO AHEAD.
Zack, you have a wonderful little video a bout the Corby's, now ZACK you have seven facts, the first one she was found with drugs is correct, ALL THE SIX OTHERS ARE WRONG ZACK.
Zack some times you could be a Corby the way you talk.
I don't hate the Corby's, I hate any one who deals in drugs, she had a trial, was convicted, and now has TWENTY YEARS TO THINK ABOUT IT.
Zack, how long b4 she finds GOD and then will want to come home.
Zack I hope she gets the FULL TWENTY YEARS. Zack you cry about human rights, I have seen many hungry children in Indonesia, if you want to REALLY help some one, help them, not some family of drug runners.
How was your Xmas Zack, we had a great time.

ColB · 29 December 2008

Originally Posted by ZackW

"...If you want to analyze someone, take a look at the guy hiding behind the name 'pilot', for example. Almost all of his posts on ASF are clearly intended to hurt someone already suffering. Look at them. Ask yourself WHY someone would have such hatred in there heart for someone they have never met and who is living in misery.

Oh, and there is a formal request from her to the Consulate, ON record, to have the marijuana tested. Any comment to the contrary is smear and lie, and cannot be sourced other than through media smear..."

For your interest Zack!!

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Definition

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Description

An individual suffering from paranoia feels suspicious, and has a sense that other people want to do him or her harm. As a result, the paranoid individual changes his or her actions in response to a world that is perceived as personally threatening. Objective observers may be quite clear on the fact that no one's words or actions are actually threatening the paranoid individual. The hallmark of paranoia is a feeling of intense distrust and suspiciousness that is not in response to input from anybody or anything in the paranoid individual's environment.

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ZackW · 30 December 2008

No, just look at the list of posts from the guy hiding behind the name 'pilots'. Is that what anyone decent would want to associate themselves with? Ask about the motive of someone who would repeatedly and desperately post like that: what sort of person they are?

And no, Garpal Gumnut, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta's posts are unambiguous. They will hurt Schapelle because of posts by some guy on an Australian forum, so I had better stop. Read them. You think that is somehow ok, mate? Yes? Step back and think about it.

I am not "her family and friends", but I can extract fact from gross media reporting. I can analyze. I can research. I do it for a living 24x7. I can see all too clearly the terrible abuses of her human rights, and the media process used to create the misguided hatred on this board, as illustrated by that Brit guys video.

Then there are the implication for other Australians of the government selling her human rights down the river.

Some people don't appear to be able to work the obvious out, or interpret words correctly. Even ignoriing the total lack of compassion for another human being, it's frightening to think about how people are so easily led.

knocker · 30 December 2008

ZackW said:
No, just look at the list of posts from the guy hiding behind the name 'pilots'. Is that what anyone decent would want to associate themselves with? Ask about the motive of someone who would repeatedly and desperately post like that: what sort of person they are?

And no, Garpal Gumnut, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta's posts are unambiguous. They will hurt Schapelle because of posts by some guy on an Australian forum, so I had better stop. Read them. You think that is somehow ok, mate? Yes? Step back and think about it.

I am not "her family and friends", but I can extract fact from gross media reporting. I can analyze. I can research. I do it for a living 24x7. I can see all too clearly the terrible abuses of her human rights, and the media process used to create the misguided hatred on this board, as illustrated by that Brit guys video.

Then there are the implication for other Australians of the government selling her human rights down the river.

Some people don't appear to be able to work the obvious out, or interpret words correctly. Even ignoriing the total lack of compassion for another human being, it's frightening to think about how people are so easily led.

Well zacko why bother posting here. Just fly to Indonesian and support schappell ok

Lantern · 30 December 2008

I can analyze. I can research. I do it for a living 24x7

I think you need to get some sleep.

pilots · 30 December 2008

Good morning Zacko, Mr Nice and Normal here,
Zacko, The one thing I did not like about the case against the drug mule was the fact the police would not release a sample of the drugs for testing, this was so wrong, how ever it was no long after that the LAWYER for the Corby's done a good job and was able to get a sample for testing. Now Zacko WHY DID THE TEST NOT GO AHEAD, they had a sample, WHY DID THEY NOT TEST IT.
Zacko or any one, I would like to see the Brits guys video, is it as bad as Zackos Video.

moXJO · 30 December 2008

ZackW said:
I can analyze. I can research. I do it for a living 24x7.

.

Once again your half stories peeve me off enough to post.
If by analyze you mean lie. And if by research you mean look at youtube and Corby support sites.

Now let’s rehash some previously posted stuff (just like you)

Now as for the Indonesian courts being corrupt in this particular case

QC’s (Philip Dun QC), who stated that Schapelle Corby would be found guilty in an Australian court with the exact same evidence which was presented in Indonesia. The QC’s also made a note of the other Australians in foreign countries facing the death penalty? Why is their plight not as grave as Schapelle Corbys? The piece highlighted that the case is beyond Innocence and Guilt, and that Schapelle Corby and her family has virtually been brought by the media, whom have invested vast amounts of money in this story. Therefore what we see on television is highly sanitized, vetted and stage managed thus the truth is ultimately manipulated. Many people have gone on rampant attacks on the Indonesian legal system, based purely on this manipulation of the truth, there is nothing in there process’s which purport illegitimate handling of this case. No one has paid any real attention to the evidence presented in the courts, by the prosecution or the defense; it has been more so an unsubstantiated ‘biased’ view of irrelevant evidence in order to validate our justified stance. It was forgotten that maybe she is just another young drug trafficker facing her punishment under the law, and that she is in fact luckier than most. From death, to life to 20 years. Obviously the judges are not that ‘evil’, further heresay evidence (given by the prisoner, and facts relating to the airport baggage handlers) which would otherwise be inadmissible in an Australian court was allowed by the Indonesian Courts in order to give this girl the best chance possible of proving her innocence. The media circus around here probably also aided her in receiving this lighter sentenced, which has obviously pissed of the prosecution and other Indonesian people, how can their law be manipulated as such.

So here we have an Aussie QC saying she would be found guilty and that she received favorable treatment during her case compared to other smugglers. But I bet Philip Dun is also corrupt or is part of your conspiracy according to you

As for Mercedes police report we actually know she is a drug user (her own admission) but has played it down as much as possible and actually has lied to say that she was not.

A string of letters written by Mercedes Corby, in which she repeatedly outlined her drug use, had discredited her as a witness, Mr Hughes also said.

He said the letters Ms Corby wrote to Ms Power while she was working in Japan in 1993 and 1994 "nailed the lie" that Corby was an infrequent drug user.

In one letter she wrote: "Japan has the best mull. I only need two or three puffs of a joint and I am wasted."

Ms Corby downplayed the letters during her evidence, saying she exaggerated her claims to show off to Ms Power.

"(Ms Corby said) her total consumption during the period when she was in Japan was no more than half a joint," Mr Hughes told the jury.

"Can you possibly believe that after these enthusiastic statements about her enjoyment of marijuana and the quality of the product?

And

MERCEDES Corby has admitted to taking ecstasy while having young children, branding her actions "reckless in the extreme", "grossly irresponsible" and "completely illegal".
In the Supreme Court witness box, Corby admitted to taking ecstasy at least three times, as recently as 2002. Questioned by Tom Hughes Jnr, for Seven, she said her 2 1/2-month-old son and nine-month-old daughter were with her mother when she took a quarter of an ecstasy pill in a Gold Coast nightclub.

It would take a lot of convincing to believe she was not a regular user.This was all said in court so yes its on record.

And how about the brother’s police report I don't remember seeing that

James Kisina's arrest
Kisina was travelling with Corby when she was arrested in Bali. He had also been carrying the bodyboard bag before the arrest and had appeared in the media to support his sister.[65]

On the same day as the reinstatement of Corby's original sentence, he appeared in a Brisbane Magistrates Court on drug possession and assault charges.[66] Kisina, along with two friends, invaded the home of a well-known drug dealer, tied up the occupants and bashed a male occupant before fleeing with a quantity of cannabis and cash.[65] Police stated that the residents were threatened with an iron bar and menaced with a machete. On 17 January 2006, Queensland Police found cannabis in the home of Schapelle Corby's mother and half-brother.

And there’s probably more on old James then that.

Or how about

Clinton Rose
Corby's half-brother, Clinton Rose, has spent time in jail for a range of offences. He was serving a 15 months sentence in Queensland for breaking and entering and fraud. This was his second time in prison.[64] In January 2002, Rose was convicted of drug possession. He had pleaded guilty to what the Southport District Judge, Robert Hall, described as a "campaign of crime". Rose pleaded guilty to a total of 62 charges accumulated over a six-month period

So at least not all the members of the Corby’s have committed crimes I suppose, and yes all this is on record. So once again you leave out the whole story. And even members that have that certificate from the police have been involved in drug taking. You are full of BS when it comes to trying to prove her innocence IMO.

What’s that old saying.... you can't sugarcoat a turd. But you seem to have managed to roll it in glitter.
Zack your

posts on here are an absolute disgrace to humanity, never mind Australia.

I'll pick at the rest of your half truths later...

Keep up with the insults people like you more when you subject them to it
You even manage to insult Indonesia, your a pro

pilots · 30 December 2008

moXJO, Zacko will say it is all lies, I would like him to tell us who, and why, they did not test the drugs, if the drugs came from any other place other than Queensland she would be off the hook, or was it that they knew that the grass came from Queensland all along.

Julia · 30 December 2008

Moxjo, what is the source of the quote describing the comments of the QC?

It doesn't seem like something from a very well edited publication, given the number of grammatical and spelling mistakes.

If you are quoting something, it would give more validity if you supply the source of the quote so there can be no suggestion of just making stuff up. (Not at all suggesting you've done that.)

pilots · 30 December 2008

ZackW said:
Yet still he smears with lies to the effect that Schapelle Corby somehow stopped the testing (of course, without reference to something unambiguous and on record like a formal request), and smears with lies about her bag. Still he posts his hatred for a poor woman suffering in abject misery. What a nice and normal guy. Zacko you had formal request, I agree, your lawyer got a sample of the drugs, what stopped the test, come on Zacko, why did they not test the drugs.
The ball in in your court Zacko. Stop going around the QUESTION, why did they not test the drugs, come on lady it can't be that hard to tell us who and why.

Well? I am waiting for an answer to this, Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta. Your foul friends in that regime, who are threatening to hurt an Australian citizen because some guy is posting on a forum - are you trying to censor this message board on their behalf?

Does anyone consider that sort of vile thinly-veiled threat to be civilized? Well? THINK ABOUT IT. Zack how is Mr well connected with Jakarta hurting the drug mule??

And yes, of course the 'trial' was political/racist (even the above threat illustrates this). Or is it normal for the president of a country to intervene via well timed media comments, for a sentence to bear no resemblance at all to the facts of a crime, for the human rights of the accused to be abused on a daily basis? The world can see this, even if the Australian media has done a hatchet job on her in her own country:

And no apology for posting that clip again - people need to actually read the WORDS in it and consider all those media reports over the years, and which part of that process they fit into. People need to think about why, and look at media ownership/interests and politics, and learn understand what words are used to report smear, versus fact. Then look at some of the posters on here, dutiful reporting as facts what the media have produced as smear.

Then the reality of Schapelle Corby's terrible suffering, whilst we even have horrible threats via people like Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta to try to stop these issues even being raised.

So Zacko she has terrible suffering, now Zacko, most people here on earth go the sleep cold and hungry, she is in better shape that a lot of other people.

ZackW · 30 December 2008

Man of his word moXJO, who has promised to leave this thread at least once, seems not to understand reality. Did you actually watch the video above? You know, the one that explains about the media, and the governments relationship with Indoensia trumping Schapelle Corby's human rights?

And then you quote a part of the establishment at me to justify the appalling show trial? It is laughable - but you probably don't even get it.

So intent is he on trying to continue the suffering of Schapelle Corby that he even quotes the Powers case, in which the media were exposed are liars, smearing the Corby family as they often do. But I guess it is the desperate guilt association card he is trying to play again. It is pathetic.

And you ought to run along now 'pilots': anyone who actually looks at your history of posts can see exactly what you are. You are blown away.

I am still waiting for commentary on Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta's multiple posts, such as this one:

Garpal Gumnut said:
Unfortunately some contacts of mine in the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia who monitor web sites such as ours have taken a dim view of his exercise. So it may go against her.

Or is that ok? Is it ok to ANYONE? They will hurt Schapelle because of posts by some guy on an Australian forum, with the underlying threat that I had better stop?

THINK!

Is that who you people are supporting here, versus a poor woman suffering misery? A regime like that? You somehow think they delivered justice, and that the sentence wasn't perverse, political and possibly racist? Seriously?

Come on 'Garpal Gumnut' please DO tell us all about the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia, monitoring Australian websites and hurting Australian citizens because of posts on them. That is SERIOUS, uncivilised and disgusting, so let's have it out in the open shall we?

I am waiting.

chops_a_must · 30 December 2008

Grab a tube sock, moisturise, crack one off.

Relax.

Garpal Gumnut · 30 December 2008

ZackW said:
Man of his word moXJO, who has promised to leave this thread at least once, seems not to understand reality. Did you actually watch the video above? You know, the one that explains about the media, and the governments relationship with Indoensia trumping Schapelle Corby's human rights?

And then you quote a part of the establishment at me to justify the appalling show trial? It is laughable - but you probably don't even get it.

So intent is he on trying to continue the suffering of Schapelle Corby that he even quotes the Powers case, in which the media were exposed are liars, smearing the Corby family as they often do. But I guess it is the desperate guilt association card he is trying to play again. It is pathetic.

And you ought to run along now 'pilots': anyone who actually looks at your history of posts can see exactly what you are. You are blown away.

I am still waiting for commentary on Mr Well-Connected-With-Jakarta's multiple posts, such as this one:

Or is that ok? Is it ok to ANYONE? They will hurt Schapelle because of posts by some guy on an Australian forum, with the underlying threat that I had better stop?

THINK!

Is that who you people are supporting here, versus a poor woman suffering misery? A regime like that? You somehow think they delivered justice, and that the sentence wasn't perverse, political and possibly racist? Seriously?

Come on 'Garpal Gumnut' please DO tell us all about the Foreign Affairs Dept. of Indonesia, monitoring Australian websites and hurting Australian citizens because of posts on them. That is SERIOUS, uncivilised and disgusting, so let's have it out in the open shall we?

I am waiting.

Zack mate, bogans do not realise that there is a wider world out there.

Governments of any persuasion do not just employ their taxes on giving handouts to bludgers, health, education and defence.

They all have sophisticated spy networks.

They can tag anybody's post quite easily mate.

The Indons are interested in how they are perceived in Australia. when folk like you bag them, they make note of it. The Indon Embassy in Canberra is an avid monitor of ASF.

Look at the address bar at the top of this post.

If it contains a .php you are being watched mate, either by ASIO or the Indons.

If it has a php?p its the Indons.

This has been going on for yonks mate, way before you started posting so don't get all paranoid about it.

gg

IFocus · 30 December 2008

ZackW said:
And yes, of course the 'trial' was political/racist

Sorry to cherry pick Zack but this statement is I think wrong

The judge who passed sentence had found every case brought before him on drugs charges guilty no political/racist type factor applied.

Personally I was astounded in the way the Corby's approached the whole thing given that they should have a good understanding on how the system worked in Indo.

Garpal Gumnut · 30 December 2008

IFocus said:
Sorry to cherry pick Zack but this statement is I think wrong

The judge who passed sentence had found every case brought before him on drugs charges guilty no political/racist type factor applied.

Personally I was astounded in the way the Corby's approached the whole thing given that they should have a good understanding on how the system worked in Indo.

Yes the Corbys thought they were in Southport not Bali, and played it accordingly.

They lost mainly by their ani Indonesian tactics and she could have gotten a lesser sentence if they had listened to the Aus Dept. Foreign Affairs advice.

But no, they got a shonky lawyer and engaged the media in an anti Indonesian rant..

Tough.

gg

nunthewiser · 30 December 2008

I vote we organise a benefit concert for all those convicted drug smugglers out there .hell we might as well include all those convicted drug dealers too

i think we can get amy winehouse to headline

what should we call it ??

"dopefest" ?

yeah man lets join hands and unite for all these hard done by poison peddlers

amen

pilots · 30 December 2008

Zacko, what is it that you can't answer this question.
The drug mule team asked for a sample of the drugs to be tested, the lawyer got a sample.
Now ZACKO why, when they had a sample of the drugs why did they not go ahead with the testing.
If it was proved that the drugs came from from Indonesia that would be the end of the case. She would be home free.
Zacko come on whats the answer, why DID THEY NOT TEST THE DRUGS.

pilots · 30 December 2008

Zacko, have you noticed that NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU.
Come on Zacko answer my question.
WHY DID THE CORBY'S NOT HAVE THE DRUGS TESTED.

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