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Schapelle Corby - Innocent or Guilty?

Considering the latest news, do you believe Schapelle Corby is innocent?

  • No, not any more

    Votes: 49 13.0%

  • No, never have

    Votes: 184 48.7%

  • Yes, always have and still do

    Votes: 80 21.2%

  • I don't care. Show me the stocks!

    Votes: 65 17.2%
  • Total voters
    378
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Oh: and here is that latest video they are hiding from you:


Wake up Australia: someone's life depends upon it.
 
And what about the other Aussies that probably are innocent in Bali jails. Just because she has a pretty face doesn't make her innocent.

Surprise surprise, found this on youtube. A bunch of hearsay- but it would confirm my suspicions on what the old man may possibly have been up to. Like I said in a previous post....
It was a well known trick to use pretty young girls to smuggle drugs through back in the 90's. And I thought of that the day she got caught.
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Not saying that the video is hard facts or true. But I bet there are a lot of people that know the family pretty well and shake their heads.



 
A lot of Asian countries are very severe on drug use and trafficking...they view it probably as bad as we view pedophiles.
Drugs are considered a cancer in their societies...drug users lie and steal etc and drag down their families and those around them.They are considered to have an extremely negative effect on society.
Two years ago the Thais killed two thousand (I believe) drug users...most trying to escape from the police.No need to waste the courts' time!
Drug users are a burden on their society...drug traffickers are judged even more harshly.
Beware !
 
Don't agree Rob. If you actually leave Bangkok or Phuket you can walk through fields with real Thai's pick pot and smoke opium which is a normal way of life for them. Their government representitives are the most corrupt people on earth. Bottom line is she doesn't deserve 20 years, put yourself in her position, think about not seeing your family, living in discusting conditions, your life being put on pause, and being treated like scum for 20 years, for a bag of pot? You can get a hooker to buy some pot off nearly any police officer over there it's a joke. How would you feel if it was your kid?
 
Great post Moxjo. I agree entirely.

The singer of that song would be well advised to watch that video.

STILL, I don't think she deserves 20 years;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schapelle_Corby

and - in particular - I don't think that Scott Rush deserves death sentence - for being a Heroin mule - arguably less addictive than Nicotine.

http://www.lycaeum.org/drugwar/hening.html

http://innovatorsawards.org/aboutus/henningfield

 

I think the notion of nicotine being more addictive than heroin is insane. I happen to know a former addict; and it took 3 attempts at full-blown rehab, and took years for them to break the habit. They ended up stealing, lying, and nearly destroying their life - cigarettes are a slow-creep, but heroin can destroy a life over a month or 2.

People like to compare the 2 because they're too cowardly to admit to their weakness.
 
But Nyden - at least please admit that they are both seriously ( and unacceptably) addictive , and too much so to be legally available - over-the-counter in one case for cryssake.
 
2020hindsight said:
But Nyden - at least please admit that they are both seriously ( and unacceptably) addictive , and too much so to be legally available - over-the-counter in one case for cryssake.
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Yes, but - (although I've never touched any drug, and never would) I respect that people can use nicotine on a casual basis; but it's my belief that it's downright impossible to do this with heroin, as even small amounts can lead to rapid addictions. The sad truth is that most people just have a death wish, and will destroy themselves one way or another - whether through drugs, inappropriate behaviour, or just diet and lifestyle.

Dope is for dopes Life is perfectly fine on it's own without the need to "heighten" it.
 
so Nyden, suppose you know someone who had two legs amputated due to poor circuation, plus had a stroke, plus couldn't speak and was paralysed on one side (and one arm) due to said stroke ... due to a mixture of cigarettes and other things like diabetes and booze ... and lived 10 years like that ... like someone I knew - in my family in fact (no speech, like Humpty Dumpty - thanks god he could read books ) ... would that make you a bit more anti- ncotine / smoking?
 
Nyden said:
The sad truth is that most people just have a death wish, and will destroy themselves one way or another - whether through drugs, inappropriate behaviour, or just diet and lifestyle.
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Interesting point right there.Do you know why these people have a death wish?

People with lots of money and people with no money do it so it isn`t money hey.It`s to escape from their own mind.
 

2020, I am anti-drugs - all drugs. However, I would not entirely blame the drug for such inflictions, but blame the person. Where does it end? Do we blame KFC, and McDonalds for obesity rates? We apparently already are, and it's utter nonsense.

People need to start taking responsibility, even if it's on a social level. People quit cigarettes every day these days, and with modern medications it's becoming easier and easier. The problem is that people don't want to quit, because they're gutless and weak. The same reason people don't want to suddenly start exercising at 40 when they're fat - oh wait, we don't say fat these days, do we? No, it's politically incorrect. The appropriate term is curvaceous, and if we believe the twats on TV, it's beautiful, and healthy!

Oh, and I am terribly sorry for your friend.
 

She won't do the full 20 years.... so I think it is fair and a deterrent. I reckon I could safely put a bet on that, and expect a return of winnings in the next 5 years.
Every few years someone gets caught and the media picks it up and highlights the dangers of drug trafficking to Asian countries. So I guess she was the face of 2000. I think it was a footballer back in the 90's (lost an eye, contracted Hep C, might have been the 80's).

Death is going too far, I use to support the death penalty but I must be mellowing a bit. The young bloke learnt a hard lesson of the criminal world. If you’re going to get caught get caught in Australia.
 

I thought that Heroin was very addictive as well but there was some study done with the Vietnam vets. A lot were on it over in Vietnam and came back and went cold turkey (don’t quote me on that, was a long time ago when I heard it). So maybe it is people’s inability these days to control themselves? And to blame society?
 
2020hindsight said:
and - in particular - I don't think that Scott Rush deserves death sentence - for being a Heroin mule - arguably less addictive than Nicotine.
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You can't compare nicotine with heroin. To do so just demonstrates your ignorance of both substances.

Have you considered that part of the reason for the increased sentence of Rush could be his past behaviour. You've ignored consideration of e.g. the following from Wikipaedia. There are also multiple references to his past convictions if you care to look.


Hardly the wide eyed little innocent!
 
Julia said:
You can't compare nicotine with heroin. To do so just demonstrates your ignorance of both substances.
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Julia
Did I call you ignorant when you didn't even know that Scott Rush was taking stuff out of Bali when you thought that he was taking it in ?

And btw, I've quoted Dr. Henningfield who is "the recipient of The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation’s Innovators Combating Substance Abuse Award in 2000, which he used to support efforts to assess and disseminate the science foundation for tobacco control policy"

So you are cleverer than him?
 
well................. after reading all that im gunna take up anything i can get my hands on!

ps.anyone know if the schapelle corby "lesbo lovers jail edition " out on dvd yet ?
 
2020hindsight said:
Julia
Did I call you ignorant when you didn't even know that Scott Rush was taking stuff out of Bali when you thought that he was taking it in ?
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I did not call you ignorant.
I suggested you were ignorant about the different propertieses (notably the effects) of heroin and nicotine and made the point that it's inappropriate to compare them overall.
Frankly, although I was polite enough to apologise for getting the direction of travel back to front re Rush, it's hardly the point, is it? He was carrying the drug. In which direction seems somewhat unimportant imo.


Considering you've provided no reference for what his conclusions are or what he discusses, I can't comment.

If you are maintaining that heroin and nicotine can be considered equal I'd like to see some clearly made points from you demonstrating this. Be sure to document all the effects experienced by users in each case.

Look 2020, I respect the fact that someone you care about has obviously experienced some very nasty medical complications. But I very much doubt that all these conditions you describe can necessarily be sheeted home entirely to nicotine. He may have already had underlying peripheral vascular disease, elevated blood pressure, genetic tendency to diabetes, all manner of susceptibilities.

Just a mistake to necessarily confuse cause and effect when neither can possibly be completely clear.
 
I find a lot of people on here to be ignorant and sick. Look at some of those posts above.

Schapelle Corby's legal and human rights were abused systematically. This is a matter of record. Anyone who doesn't know some of the abuses by now must have been living in a box: Refusal to test the drugs for country of origin? A judge who admitted he had never acquitted anyone in 500 drug cases? I could go on and on and on.

Yet some people her think that this is ok: forget it eh? Green light for all regimes like that to repeat for Oz citizens generally?

Then her suffering. 20 YEARS. That is barbaric. Even if she had had a trail, that is not a sentence, it is a POLITICAL statement. Schapelle Corby is suffering for that... for something she never had control of.

But that is ok, eh? Just leave her to rot: human compassion is for losers?

Sorry: but for me, anyone who can't grasp these issues, and see through the media, needs to be looking at themselves.


BTW: Why so many Americans and Brits in that song video? Because they haven't been subjected to what this illustrates:
ZackW said:
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Obviously a lot of the above posters have.
 
Julia said:
I did not call you ignorant.
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whatever
...

Sufficient to say that you believe that it's ok for cigarete companies to operate with impunity for foisting a highly addictive drug on the public - with formal govt approval

I'm was tempted to call you ignorant - but I didn't
 
ZackW said:
But that is ok, eh? Just leave her to rot: human compassion is for losers?

Sorry: but for me, anyone who can't grasp these issues, and see through the media, needs to be looking at themselves.
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Matey most Aussies think the penalty is too harsh.I think you are courageous for bringing the issue to the fore and maybe the end result will be a jail term reduction.



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