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Saturday's popcorn discussion - Heath and the Oscar hype

Sean K

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Golly,

This has been coming, but I did not expect it to be such huge international news.

Heath has been lauded internationally for his Joker role, and I have yet to see the movie, but the criticism and applause are flowing wildly.

I’m interested to hear others opinions on the movie and if he deserves the acclaim, or whether it's just because he died tragically.

Such a loss for his family, and Australia.

kennas
 

Well I assume we all agree that the man was a genius, and a totally admirable person.

The movie is getting some good acclaim...

I look forward to going to see it - as you say kennas, his death adds a 'powerful' dimension to the emotion of the experience.

PS Sad one. I imagine his little girl (Matilda Rose, was born on October 28, 2005) will remember him by one of his happier movies.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/movies/18knig.html?ref=arts
 

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slightly off topic - but he was into chess apparently - including a planned movie as director
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heath_Ledger

 
Why do you assume we all agree he was a genius? I don't. And I certainly don't put him in the category of "totally admirable person".

my assumption was wrong

Hey if you're more admireable than he was, jersey.. in your eyes ... then so be it I guess
 
Why do you assume we all agree he was a genius? I don't. And I certainly don't put him in the category of "totally admirable person".
My favourite movies of his were the minor ones. I think Candy was absolutely brilliant, and he was sensational.

As far as being a 'genius', I agree to some extent. I think actors are generally born with it, and they are overcompensated for their talent.

But, as I said, I have not seen the movie, and this is about his performance verses the hype of his death.

An Oscar to a dead person?

Has it happened?

I think the Academy may go that way from what I have read.
 
Hello,
There has been one posthumous Oscar winner, Peter Finch in Network News. Peter Finch was Australian. There have been 7 people nominated for an Oscar after they passed away.

Have not seen the movie in question so can’t make comment other than to say based on Heath Ledgers past performances he certainly had the talent equal to past recipients.
Some of his performances in comparatively low budget Aussie movies were great.

Regards
 
my assumption was wrong

Hey if you're more admireable than he was, jersey.. in your eyes ... then so be it I guess

Jersey wasn't claiming to be admirable as far as I can tell.
Just realistically pointing that not all of us agree with your assertion that everyone found Mr Ledger to be totally admirable.
 
Aren't we talking about his performance in Batman?

And whether it's Oscar material?

 
Kennas, thinking more generally about the topic, isn't it the case that almost always when someone dies we find lots of good stuff to say about them?
e.g. have you ever heard/read an obituary where someone fails to point out all the endearing qualities of the dearly departed?
It just seems to be something we do, presumably out of some sense of respect for those who can't answer back, when someone dies.

Have you ever been to a funeral or read an obituary where the dead person is described as a total bastard whose death is a relief to everyone who knew him???

I'm just suggesting that something which has become a social convention is perhaps exaggerated when it applies to someone well known like Heath Ledger.

Remember the huge fuss when, after Steve Irwin's death, Germaine Greer in her usual forthright fashion, made some critical comments about him.
There was an outcry of massive proportions. She was just telling the truth as she saw it, but somehow it was unacceptable when the bloke was dead.
OK to say it when he's alive.
 
Yes, I agree Julia.

But, how did people talk about our old friend Adolf? eeeek!

Extreme example.

Actually, there was someone else who recently died and was canned here. Charlton Heston was it?

But, agree, we generally concentate on people's great qualities when they die, and forget their poor ones.

I obviously don't know Heath Ledger from a bar of soap, but I thought he was a very talented character actor who seemed to put a lot of effort into his roles.

The movie is coming out in Lima this week, so I get to watch him with a Spanish accent.
 
Depends on whether he was acting or his performance was just an extension of his inner 'demons' that contributed to his 'accidental' death? The Americans like to build these things into larger than life events - James Dean was not anything out of the ordinary yet today he's a 'legend'.
The're all just actors after all, the cult of personality? Who should we applaud - the people who feed the homeless etc or actors? Humans want heroes.
 
A couple of letters to the editor at a site called " salon.com " (?) - powerfully expressed (imo)

http://letters.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2008/01/23/ledger/view/index.html


 
3 to 1 odds on a posthumous Academy Award to Ledger

broke all box office records etc .....

"All signs have it going down as Heath Ledger's film"

http://www.abc.net.au/bestof/#s2310739 click on "watch 4MB"

ABC critic's forum this afternoon suggesting that it will be a movie (in particular Ledger's part) that wll be studied by acting schools for a long time to come .
 
http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/16155928/review/21477208/the_dark_knight




Found this in an "eye4" review of the Dark Knight...

 
The poor bugger should get an Oscar. All the fame made him a drug addict who doctor shopped for some release. At least his talent would be recognised.

gg
 
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