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Stan 101 said:
They should have kept him alive and forced to help elderly people change their bedpans when not locked in solitary confinement.

cheers,
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:D I agree, too late now but maybe he will come back as a bedpan.

It's times like these that I would like to believe in heaven and hell, but then again if he truly believed he didn't do anything wrong, then he would probably only be judge for ignorance and sent to heaven with a slap on the hand.

He and others like him should have their hell on earth. :mad:
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Lets not turn this into something trashy.
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Interesting thought.
It's OK to declare war on a nation because they have a bad ruler (oops, non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
And then have a tag team of robotic followers who help Dubya with his master plan for Iraq.
Oooops, again.
Hang me, now where's that darn plan for Iraq?
 
rederob said:
Interesting thought.
It's OK to declare war on a nation because they have a bad ruler (oops, non-existent weapons of mass destruction).
And then have a tag team of robotic followers who help Dubya with his master plan for Iraq.
Oooops, again.
Hang me, now where's that darn plan for Iraq?
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red,

Why do you always target me or my comments? But you fail to contribute in the threads of worth.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
red,

Why do you always target me or my comments? But you fail to contribute in the threads of worth.
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Pilskin
Now what threads of worth are you talking about?
The ones that you contribute to that are not about the stock market?
Or the threads about the stock market?
Why don't you pick one and we can have a little chat to amuse ourselves at the expense of people that have something better to do with their time, ok!
 
rederob said:
Pilskin
Now what threads of worth are you talking about?
The ones that you contribute to that are not about the stock market?
Or the threads about the stock market?
Why don't you pick one and we can have a little chat to amuse ourselves at the expense of people that have something better to do with their time, ok!
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You are a troublemaker and on ignore.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
red,

Why do you always target me or my comments? But you fail to contribute in the threads of worth.
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Just because he disagrees with you, doesn't mean he isn't contributing something of worth.

The biggest problem that I see with the killing of Saddam, and the change in sentiment towards Arabic politics in the last 10 - 15 years, is the sudden opposition to the Baathist movement. It was the only ally the West had with middle eastern politics. It is the only movement keeping Islamic Theocracy down. Now we are at war with those opposing such a movement, and those promoting it.

To me, the prevailing strategy then becomes (which is absolutely evil) a promotion of perpetual war between the two groups, so that neither can have a controlling power.

In my mind, without doubt, the reason why Bush wanted Saddam killed off so quickly, was so that he could not reveal that Reagan (and his dad), had not only supplied the chemicals and processes necessary for, but had also sanctioned the killing of the Kurds.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
You are a troublemaker and on ignore.
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Sometimes being ignored has its advantages.

(Thank god the dog had only 3 legs!)
 

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chops_a_must said:
In my mind, without doubt, the reason why Bush wanted Saddam killed off so quickly, was so that he could not reveal that Reagan (and his dad), had not only supplied the chemicals and processes necessary for, but had also sanctioned the killing of the Kurds.
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Without a doubt that strategy has failed because he, Mr Bush, did't count on you telling eveybody on ASF.
 
chops_a_must said:
In my mind, without doubt, the reason why Bush wanted Saddam killed off so quickly, was so that he could not reveal that Reagan (and his dad), had not only supplied the chemicals and processes necessary for, but had also sanctioned the killing of the Kurds.
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Maybe not the latter.
But you also need to go back a fair way and learn how Saddam got into power.
Hint: Pre-Saddam Iraq was currying favour with Russia, around the time the US was very anti-communist, and while the Iraqi Communist Party was influential.
Saddam got a little bit of help for a Baathist coup.
Not from the Communist Iraqi Alliance, or was it the CIA after all?
 
http://www.news.com.au/sundaymail/story/0,23739,20993665-952,00.html todays article - celebrating "No Remorse as Saddam Hussein is hanged"

by comparison, here's an extract from an article on page 38 of yesterday's courier mail..

Don't Hang Saddam (FOCUS by Dennis Atkins)
Courier Mail, 30-12-2006, Ed: 1 - First with the news, Pg: 038, 1060 words , FEATURES
This trial has been orchestrated with a murderous political intent SADDAM Hussein should not hang. His execution will be a brutal act of victors' justice that does not meet tests of fairness or democracy and puts another nail into the coffin of the failed US lead adventure in Iraq.

excepts:-
three issues are thrown up by the sentence:-
1. the case for international war crimes tribunal headed by independent jurists in the Hague to hear cases against Baathists was always the safest and surest way to get justice. This was the course of action backed by the European Union and eminent jurists.
The camp followers in the coalition for the willing simply went along with the Washington line.
The argument of taking any trials out of Iraq was couched in terms of fostering a domestic judicial system, but the real reason was that if Saddam and others were tried in Europe they would not be subject to the death penalty.....
the charge against Saddam that was found - and for which he will hang - concerned a failed assassination attempt in the Shiite village of Dujail in 1982. ... along with 7 others Saddam in accused of killing 148 Shiites after villagers conspired to assassinate him.
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the next charge to be heard involved operation Anfal in which as many as 180,000 Kurds allegedly died, mostly from poison gas. This charge has the potential to expose the chain of command in carrying out these heinous acts ...

2. the administration of Nouri al Maliki has no genuine interest in a govt of national unity. ....
They highjacked the trial process. The first judge, Rizgar Amin, resigned in protest at polotical pressure and the second judge, Abdullah al-Amiri, was sacked in september because he didnt toe the govt line. The appeals court decision and the death sentence were not announced by the justice but by Al-Maliki's national security adviser. - who simply confirmed the outcome predicted confidently by the Prime Minister weeks previously. .... the already rock bottom relations between the Shiite and Sunni Iraqis will sink even further, quite probably to irreparable depths.

3. the country of Iraq is breaking up with only one potentially sustainable way through if the country is held together. Out o the bloody ruis that years o0f civilwar will bring - a war that will be policed to an extent by the US or left to fester in its own juices - will come a Shi-ite strongman every bit as brutal and dictatorial as Saddam....

Meanwhile reports suggest an exodus from the country... professionals, academics, almost all the Christians ...

the reaction to the death penalty for Saddam has been either obscene or cowardly. The Bush administration was almost gleeful , grasping at the sentence as if it was justification for all that has happened.
Here in Australia, the govt chose to hide behind the festive season and say nothing. But when the sentence was first announced Prime Minister John Howard mouthed his opposition to the death penalty but said it was a matter for the Iraqi govt. He sought to make a virtue out of the court process , ignoring its shortcomings. "The real issue is that he was tried in an open transparent fashion and one of the great marks of democratic society is due process and the rule of law and this mass murderer was given due process" he said.
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all who cherish humanity should stand up against this death sentence. Opposition to the death penalty should not be divisble. The proud Iraqi people who are slowly being beaten down by the grinding of history do not deserve what's coming.
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I guess David Hicks can expect the same spindoctoring from Canberra when he is found guilty :(

Stangely yesterday's article (printed in extracts above) is extremely hard to find on the Courier Mail website. (the article was only on page 38 even then). I have typed most of this. Whereas today's celebrations of the event are given front page on the website.
 
I suppose this will force the hand of the enemies of America Hoomans will repeat history. A song by Bob Dylan called Masters of War has the lyrics to sum up the power players that draw their plans up.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead


Copyright © 1963; renewed 1991 Special Rider Music
 
In my book Saddam Hussein should have been locked up for life and the key thrown away.

I don't see how those who ordered, carried out or supported his execution are in essence any better than he was. Hussein murdered and got rid of people his didn't like because of their beliefs, views or whatever other reasons and now others have done exactly the same thing and got rid of him because they don't like him and his views.

I am not a Saddam Hussein supporter. I disagree with the death penalty for anyone.
 
Julia said:
I'm not sure why, but I feel a bit sick at hearing this. I realise it will make a lot of people happy, and probably also generate even more violence from his supporters, but I just find it hard to see how killing the killer makes everything even.

Not that I have any ideas about what would be better.

Julia
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Once again, I have to agree with you.
No matter what the grounds, I am personally against the death penalty. Saddam Hussein was one of history's great monsters, but all they've done is turned him into a martyr. I would have him rot in a foreign jail until the day he died. I am in two minds about the Iraq situation. On the one hand, they got rid of a tyrant. On the other hand, look at the chaos now taking place. Its indeed a sad situation for all involved. Maybe they need to partition the country off in bits and pieces. Just my thoughts only.

DYOR
 
My understanding is that Saddams trial and execution was fast-tracked to beat the April 28 2007 deadline. This is when saddam would have turned 70.

Iraqi law disallows the execution of anyone over the age of 70. Im sure the americans did thier best to stay within the iraqi constitution to keep the 'fair trial' boat afloat.

Saddam should have died of old age in a dark cell.

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=iraq+execution+of+70+years+of+age&meta=

I'm suspicious that the americans are planning to break Iraq into 3 countries. 3 smaller countries would be much easier for the americans to control and exploit.
 

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