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There is a huge difference between the police not having enough evidence to press charges and the men being innocent. Who knows what happened except those involved? The woman obviously thought it was non-consensual as she went to the police. I did not see the 4 corners story so can only comment on what is on this thread. Perhaps she wanted consensual sex with one of the players who bought his mates in?

Women have a right to say no at any time. The fact that a woman goes to a hotel room with a player never means "she is asking for it". Anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete neanderthal.
 
gooner said:
There is a huge difference between the police not having enough evidence to press charges and the men being innocent. .
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Yeah, totally agree with that point. Last week a Magistrate was released from paedophilia charges in SA - not because he was found innocent but because the police could not submit the evidence that was required to prosecute the case. His lawyer, a well known criminal lawyer, and who should have and did know better, said that proved his client was innocent.
 
gooner said:
Women have a right to say no at any time. The fact that a woman goes to a hotel room with a player never means "she is asking for it". Anyone who thinks otherwise is a complete neanderthal.
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gooner

It is hard to believe that at some stage during her ordeal that the Christchurch girl did not tell these bullies to stop. If she did it was technically rape.

The girl's story and the NRL's attitude to players' bad behaviour is covered on ABC Four Corners tomorrow night under a segment titled "The Code of Silence"
 
all this talk of getting pissed and gangbanging sluts will probably encourage young men to have increased interest in the game
 
Calliope said:
No doubt it will, in Newcastle.
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i wasnt even thinking i share the hometown of the current media spotlight!

The Knights, and especially the Johns boys were and are protected species up here, the witnessed, unpublished stories of their antics would be a real eye opener.

Havnt heard any recent reports, Brian Smith must run a tighter regime
 
Calliope said:
This post gives a good insight into your character and ethical standards.
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No need to get personal. I am not always right & not everybody see's everything the same way. Gooner's post helps me see things in a different way & open's more discussion.

Personally I find the situation & many like these disgusting. I question why it took 7 years for it to come out & how these girls find themselves in this & similar situations.
 
chrislp said:
I question why it took 7 years for it to come out & how these girls find themselves in this & similar situations.
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This seems a reasonable point.

The whole "was it consensual" consideration is difficult, isn't it?

How does anyone know that (nothing to do with the discussion above, but just a random hypothetical) if Mary-Lou who has been enjoying the company of a bunch of players in a pub, getting progressively more drunk during this time, eventually agrees to go back to the player's hotel room where she engages willingly in sex.

Then next day perhaps she rather regrets having done this, for whatever reason, and decides to accuse the bloke of rape. Lodges complaint accordingly.

How is it determined what is actually the truth? Aren't the blokes in this situation as vulnerable as the women, in a completely different sense?
 
Julia said:
How is it determined what is actually the truth? Aren't the blokes in this situation as vulnerable as the women, in a completely different sense?
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This is such an important issue. Any person can be accused of conducting any crime if the circumstances permit just the possibility of such a crime. For professional people (Doctors, Lawyers, physios, masseuse, psychologists) it is all about risk management but sometimes you just cant totally prove who is right, who is wrong.
 

this was my first thought when this whole thing blew up...
 
all you wowsers that are slandering matt johns, better not listen to music. because there isnt a musician that hasnt been on a drug binge or had the sort of sex that a wowser is afraid of......

so wowsers....dont wear fashion labels because their designers are probably gay, dont listen to music as they are sexually compromised.

please pass a law to hang wowsers....?!
 
Julia said:
Aren't the blokes in this situation as vulnerable as the women, in a completely different sense?
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Yes. Seven hulking footballers (at least) treating a 19 year old girl like a play toy. Very vulnerable indeed to getting charged with rape, so we must admire their guts for taking it on.

And poor old slandered Matthew Johns has apologised to his family, and Fatty Vautin has given him a pat on the back.

It's only the nasty "wowsers'" who think his behaviour was wrong.
 

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Personally, I couldn't care less what 2 or more consenting adults do in their own bedrooms. I think it is an important freedom that Western countries have that many other countries do not have.

However, the important word is "consenting". If the woman did not consent, that is rape. And being disgusted by rape does not make you a wowser, it makes you a normal human being.
 
I Julia made some good points on this matter. Without condoning any alleged incidents one needs to wonder why a drunk young girl would willingly accompany a drunk footballers back to a motel room. The chance being greeted to only tea and bisuits was low to say the least.

It is one thing to say when a woman says no it means no, but it needs to be kept in context here. What was the woman thinking? What good could possibly come from her going to a room with these men? Where were her friends to offer judgement if she was too drunk?
If she was drunk why did she allow herself to get in the intoxicated state and choose a poor choice in the first place? When sober she should have had a plan if she did drink too much.

Leaving your kids in the back yard with a savage rottweiller and then damning that same dog to death after it attacks those children is little comfort. The damage is done.

These footballers are what they are. One has admitted to taking part in group sex and cheating on his partner. It's not right but it a reality. This stuff goes on.

As for why the woman is now speaking to the media? Maybe it's her way to get over the issue. She may feel she needs to take this path to come to terms with it. Why anyone would feel the need to air their dirty laundry in the media lime light is beyond me, but it's her choice. If she had been more responsible and made better choice nearly a decade ago, she probably wouldn't need to embarrass herself and all alround her now.

cheers,
 
When I was younger there were always those trying to get others involved in gang-bang behaviour.I surmised that this was to share the culpablility.
The morality and hygene consequences involved were always too much for me.
In the end,one has to have some standards.
 
 
Calliope said:
It is strange how you think it is her dirty laundry. If she had only been more responsible you say.
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Well it's certainly not mine. As mentioned in the opening stanza I noted I do not condone the footballers whatsoever. If she has issues with this she should be seeking good legal council.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't know where they have been.


Let me put it this way, If you (and you may) had (have) a duaghter, would you be happy for her to go to the room of a footballer after they had both been drinking? Please answer honestly.



Cheers,
 
Stan 101 said:
Please don't put words in my mouth. I don't know where they have been.
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I put no words in your mouth,. That is your imagination. But you did try to blacken the character of the girl, and not the men.
Let me put it this way, If you (and you may) had (have) a duaghter, would you be happy for her to go to the room of a footballer after they had both been drinking? Please answer honestly.
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Of course not. And what's the relevance of a silly question like that?
 
Stan 101 said:
Leaving your kids in the back yard with a savage rottweiller and then damning that same dog to death after it attacks those children is little comfort. The damage is done.
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I don't understand this?

So NRL players have no more control of their urges and actions than a rabid animal? They have as much sense of right and wrong, moral and immoral as a savage dog?

Don't be too hard on the woman turning up after 7 years. Hers is only one of a number on tomorrow nights story. As it turns out - the reason the woman has remained anonymous is due to the fact that she has moved on with her life and has remarried. She didn't approach the media, she was approached by 4 Corners, doing a story on poor behaviour, and more importantly, the lack of accountability from those in power.

Apparently the police interviewed 40 people from the Cronulla sharks over the incident, yet the Cronulla club and the NRL did not even feel it necessary to counsel and provide the players with any programs. This is basis of the episode, how the culture of the NRL has been turning a blind eye to these incidents for years. Like a number of forum members here - what goes on tour, stays on tour.

Duckman
 
Calliope said:
Of course not. And what's the relevance of a silly question like that?
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Firstly, thank you for highlighting my typo. It is poor form on my part.

It has great relevance. A girl willingly went to a motel room with a footballer. If you can't see that, I'll post no more on this issue in regard to your posts.


Cheers,
 
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