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Julia said:
A couple of us expressed some sympathy for Trish Johns, whereupon Calliope asserted that "she would have known what she was letting herself in for" and clearly had no compassion for her situation. I'm not so sure that when she married Johns she would necessarily have been able to predict his future behaviour. But I don't know. He could be right.
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There may be one or two who married these guys unaware of their real characters. I believe this occurred in the case of Andrew John's first wife who was a decent girl from a decent background. She divorced him when it became apparent he was beyond redemption.

Some women of course are attracted to men of bad character.
 
Calliope said:
It probably also means sticking up for your rights, which I suppose includes the right to behave badly.
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No, it doesn't mean that.
My point was that if the girl had some understanding of assertive behaviour she wouldn't have permitted the situation to get out of control, if in fact that is what happened.

Here is the Uni of Qld definition, since you're not happy with mine:

Assertiveness is the direct and honest communication of your opinions, feelings, needs, and rights in a way that does not violate the personal rights of others. It involves standing up for your own rights, while acknowledging the rights of others, and working towards a win-win solution. Assertiveness is different from non-assertiveness and aggressiveness.
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investorpaul said:
IMO they love the lifestyle so they turn a blind eye or try and forget about what there husbands/partners get up to.

Basically they dont want to miss out on the parties, the fast cars, nice houses and overseas holidays.
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Living that life is costly when one can't afford it. Most footy players aren't paid that well, considering most of them won't see a lot of opportunity in retirement.
 
Julia said:
No, it doesn't mean that

Here is the Uni of Qld definition, since you're not happy with mine:
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That's a nonsense definition. Academics and ideologists are fond of changing the definitions of words to suit their agenda.

Orwell called it "newspeak"

Let's not get bogged down in semantics
 
Mr J said:
Living that life is costly when one can't afford it. Most footy players aren't paid that well, considering most of them won't see a lot of opportunity in retirement.
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I am betting they arent even wise enough to realise that the heydays wont last forever! Or if they do, couldnt care less. And of course, the media always recycles them as experts too, dont they. Regardless of whether they can actually put two words together. The AFL is expert at doing that, I suspect Rugby is the same.
 
Julia said:
Amongst this thread, the concept of infidelity has been given little consideration.

A couple of us expressed some sympathy for Trish Johns, whereupon Calliope asserted that "she would have known what she was letting herself in for" and clearly had no compassion for her situation. I'm not so sure that when she married Johns she would necessarily have been able to predict his future behaviour. But I don't know. He could be right.

Then later, when someone else indicated a similar sympathy, and even included Johns himself as a subject of some sympathy, Bunyip was outraged that Mrs Johns could bring herself to stay with this unfaithful creep.

Marriages hold together and split up for all sorts of reasons. I expect in the case of the Johns' there could be some financial attractions attached to staying with him, plus I understand they have children. Outrage and self respect are very fine, but sometimes other considerations outweigh this righteousness.

Thinking about this led me to wonder how ASF members feel about infidelity in their own relationships?

I heard a comment on the radio this evening that "if it was just sex as it was in the Johns incident", it wouldn't really mean much. But if were a long term emotionally involved relationship, then it's a whole other story.

So how do you see this? What standards apply in your relationships?
Would you forgive infidelity? How would you re-establish trust once it has been lost? Do you see other aspects of a marriage or long term relationship as equally important, e.g. children or finances, even friends and social life?
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I have always advised couples with children to make EVERY effort to rebuild their marriage, if there is any prospect of salvaging it.

My experience when people dont they throw their kids into a world of hurt.

My view, is this is normally due to "selfishness"

Matt Johns has been selfish and stupid, should Trish Johns do that to her kids?

As Julia noted , morals vary.

How would each ASF poster feel if their stupidest, drunkest, most debauched act was public discussion.

maybe we need a new thread:cautious:



Calliope said:
There may be one or two who married these guys unaware of their real characters. I believe this occurred in the case of Andrew John's first wife who was a decent girl from a decent background. She divorced him when it became apparent he was beyond redemption.

Some women of course are attracted to men of bad character.
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Andrew Johns has recently been diagnosed with Bipolar Disorder,
this illness causes some very poor judgement and behaviour

Considering what he was laboring under, his achievments are remarkable
 
Awg, glad I'm not the only one who can see some shades of grey.

Rebuilding trust would be a difficulty.
 
Prospector said:
I am betting they arent even wise enough to realise that the heydays wont last forever! Or if they do, couldnt care less. And of course, the media always recycles them as experts too, dont they. Regardless of whether they can actually put two words together. The AFL is expert at doing that, I suspect Rugby is the same.
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But let's make sure we distinguish between the two Rugby codes here.
Most of the former Rugby Union players who retain a relatively high profile in the media are articulate, intelligent men. A few who come to mind are Tim Horan, Andrew Slack, John Kirwin, Ben Darwin, Phil Kearns, Dan Crowley, Mark Ella, Nick Farr-Jones.
Compare these blokes to the former League player buffoons who regularly feature in the media as the voice of Rugby League....chalk and cheese.
 
bunyip said:
But let's make sure we distinguish between the two Rugby codes here.
Most of the former Rugby Union players who retain a relatively high profile in the media are articulate, intelligent men. A few who come to mind are Tim Horan, Andrew Slack, John Kirwin, Ben Darwin, Phil Kearns, Dan Crowley, Mark Ella, Nick Farr-Jones.
Compare these blokes to the former League player buffoons who regularly feature in the media as the voice of Rugby League....chalk and cheese.
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Yes, it would be very hard to find seven former league players you nominate as "statesmen" in the code.

Union players' wives often have eminent careers also.

Wallaby Greats to Fill Statesmen Roles
April 23, 2008 - 2:32pm
Story by: ARU
Seven Wallaby greats have accepted roles as Rugby Statesmen as the Australian Rugby Union today launched a rally cry for the game at all levels – Built By Rugby, Forged In Union.


Drawn from each decade since the Second World War, the Statesmen will make formal and informal appearances on behalf of the ARU this season with the game determined to embrace its past on the journey into the future.


The Statesmen are all former Wallabies’ captains:

Sir Nicholas Shehadie – Prop/second row, 30 Tests (1947-58), 3 Tests as captain

Dr John Solomon – Centre/five-eighth, 14 Tests (1949-1955), 8 Tests as captain

Ken Catchpole – Halfback, 27 Tests (1961-68), 13 Tests as captain

Mark Loane – No.8, 28 Tests (1973-82), 6 Tests as captain

Andrew Slack – Centre, 39 Tests (1978-87), 19 Tests as captain

Nick Farr-Jones – Halfback, 63 Tests (1984-93), 36 Tests as captain

John Eales – Second row, 86 Tests (1991-2001), 55 Tests as captain


ARU Managing Director and CEO John O’Neill said recognition and celebration of iconic figures that helped build Australian Rugby was vital to ensuring the game’s core values and traditions were maintained.
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Rugby Union (the main Rugby creed played in SA) is only played in SA Colleges - public schools dont play it. And most of these go onto Business careers or University.
 
Calliope said:
Yes, it would be very hard to find seven former league players you nominate as "statesmen" in the code.

Union players' wives often have eminent careers also.
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You forget Kevin Rudd and Wayne Swan.
They were fearsome rugby league players in their day.
Real ear biters.

gg
 
Footballers who want to participate in group sex should be encouraged by their clubs to do so at legal brothels, a political party says.

The National Rugby League has been rocked over the past week by claims by various women that they took part in group sex with players.

A number of the incidents have prompted allegations of sexual assault.

"The NRL needs to set up a brothel liaison office and to conduct brothel information sessions with all players, including those who profess to be religious," party convenor with the Australian Sex Party Fiona Patten said.

There are more than 200 legal brothels and 6,000 sex workers in NSW.

Ms Patten said most teams have a local brothel that could be adopted as their own.

"(And) If players are away on tour, they could ring another local brothel... and arrange a service with a qualified sex worker for five or six players."


Good God.....now I've heard it all. It wouldn't even surprise me if the Rugby League hierarchy were to publicly come out in support of the idea.
Maybe club officials will negotiate a group booking discount for their players!!

This could open up an exciting new career for Mathew Johns as Rugby Leagues brothel liaison officer!
But then, why would players pay for something that's available to them free of charge?
Who the heck are the Australian Sex Party anyway....is there a political party by that name? I've never heard of them.
 
bunyip said:
Footballers who want to participate in group sex should be encouraged by their clubs to do so at legal brothels, a political party says.

The National Rugby League has been rocked over the past week by claims by various women that they took part in group sex with players.

A number of the incidents have prompted allegations of sexual assault.

"The NRL needs to set up a brothel liaison office and to conduct brothel information sessions with all players, including those who profess to be religious," party convenor with the Australian Sex Party Fiona Patten said.

There are more than 200 legal brothels and 6,000 sex workers in NSW.

Ms Patten said most teams have a local brothel that could be adopted as their own.

"(And) If players are away on tour, they could ring another local brothel... and arrange a service with a qualified sex worker for five or six players."


Good God.....now I've heard it all. It wouldn't even surprise me if the Rugby League hierarchy were to publicly come out in support of the idea.
Maybe club officials will negotiate a group booking discount for their players!!

This could open up an exciting new career for Mathew Johns as Rugby Leagues brothel liaison officer!


But then, why would players pay for something that's available to them free of charge?
Who the heck are the Australian Sex Party anyway....is there a political party by that name? I've never heard of them.
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This in fact is quite a good idea.

Sport, especially contact sport is a substitute for war. Most soldiers down the ages have been working class lads and brothels have traditionally been provided for them. The officers usually rooted the captured gentry.

So if these working class lads are full of adrenaline and testosterone after a game , why not let them have a root or two in a brothel. It may even entice some of the more highly sexed rugby league female camp followers into becoming prostitutes. This would legalise their fascination with the players and in the process make a few dollars for their bronzing.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
This in fact is quite a good idea.

Sport, especially contact sport is a substitute for war. Most soldiers down the ages have been working class lads and brothels have traditionally been provided for them. The officers usually rooted the captured gentry.

So if these working class lads are full of adrenaline and testosterone after a game , why not let them have a root or two in a brothel.

gg
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Nobody is stopping them from patronising brothels, and I'm sure quite a few of them do exactly that.
But why would they need to pay for sex, given that there seems to be a never-ending supply of women throwing themselves at them?
Why would they rent a book when they can use the library for free?
League players should simply learn how to enjoy normal sex lives like anyone else without making animals of themselves.
 
bunyip said:
Why can't these League players enjoy a normal sex life like anyone else without making animals of themselves?
Do they really need to use brothels, given that there seems to be a never-ending supply of women throwing themselves at them?
Why would they rent a book when they can use the library!
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Maybe our views are converging:)

real life free amateurs would be a lot more fun, and more economical

if only they would stop bleating after.

like i said b4, humans are a species of animal.

my prediction...more girls than ever will want to be "miss congenial"

i must say though, all this not something my 11 yr old footy mad son wants to hear about.
 
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