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Rudd's 17 day tour

What's your opinion of Kevin07's April08 world tour?

  • Kevin did well and surpringly so

    Votes: 8 29.6%
  • Kevin did well as I expected he would

    Votes: 9 33.3%
  • On par with, if not just as good as, any other polly (yawn)

    Votes: 6 22.2%
  • Kevin did badly as I expected he would

    Votes: 2 7.4%
  • Kevin did badly and surpringly so

    Votes: 1 3.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.7%

  • Total voters
    27
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Any opinions on Rudd's tour ?
has he surprised you in a positive sense?
in a negative sense?
done well in any case?

Although it's almost over, are there any highlights worth mentioning?
we are only talking about Australia's interface with the world after all
 
Think he has got a bit carried away, swept off his feet with Dubya, the salute unnerved me a bit. Had the feeling I felt when Latham overdid the handshake with Johnny prior to the previous election.

Could be just playing the fit in game, I think Blair will be judged well for keeping on good terms with GW. Allows them to have a say (or at least input) over the war button perhaps.

Interesting times
 
As a one eyed liberal supporter, i think Rudd is doing quiet a good job! better than i expected..

i was impressed by his mandarin skills (pitty he didn't say what they wanted to hear) and the fact that he is building a number of relationships with foreign leaders.

it is also good that he is meeting with the Chinese and top mining leaders to secure future contracts and prices.
 
I admire his energy. He packed a great deal into the 17 days.
Bits left me feeling really proud of him, and others made me squirm, e.g. the 'salute' which came across as a silly schoolboy sort of gesture, quite undignified, and then I felt he could have left the human rights criticism towards China for a later time when he has more firmly established his credentials as a world leader which is what he seems to be aspiring to be.

I had the metaphorical sense that he was striding round the world, had a mental picture of a smallish bloke in great big boots, telling everyone how the place should be run, and - whilst it was done with his usual aplomb and articulation - I personally would have preferred a somewhat less aggressive approach.
 
lol - here's a post on an SBS poll...
fortunately there are currently 6 who disgree, but sadly there are also 8 posters who agree

http://news.sbs.com.au/worldnewsaus...ng_australia39s_international_standing_543913

 
Meeting with GWB
- Iraq, Afghanistan, GW

US Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke
- The global credit crisis

Mtg with all 3 US presidential hopefuls

Mtg with UN in NY
- Aus in the United Nations Security Council maybe?

Whilst in NY - hosting dinner for a group of expatriate Australians at the Australian Embassy in Washington.
- mini version of the 2020 Summit

Mtgs with senior European Commission leaders in Brussels
before heading to Bucharest to attend NATO summit (with Joel Fitzgibbon)
- Afghanistan, etc

Mts in London with Brown and the Queen
- including taking part in a Progressive Government conference

Mtgs in China with President Mr Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao
- Tibet, GW, Carbon capture and storage, coal industry

Mtg with Musharraf
- Afghanistan, Taliban operating from Pakistan
- cricket tour of Pakistan

PS etc ( I'm sure to have missed heaps)


Today (Saturday) is Mr Rudd's last day in China, and the last of his 17 day world tour. He'll have a formal meeting with President Hu Jintao, and address an economic forum.
 
Who's on first base ? - (based on Abbott & Costello Routine)
PS Yassar Arafat died in 2004 - Also Kofi Annan hasn't been the UN Secretary General since 2006.
oops then again Hu entered office in 2002. Coni was the national security advisor under gwb 2001-2005 before becoming the secretary of state - so it makes sense after all

PS As someone said the other day, this week arguably showed that Rudd speaks Chinese better than Bush speaks English.

President George W. Bush, Hu's on First?
 
17-days.

Shame it wasn't more like that famous 3 hour tour.
 
tim, you saying he's poll driven? or pole dancer driven?

PS I have a cynical mate - says the only reason he didn't go to Vietnam is that the Libs would probably start a catchcry .. "you can take the boy out of Nambour, but you can't take the bore out of Nam".

PS you'd have thought he'd have called in to Checkers Club(?) - or Scores or whatever - to say gday to the girls at least.
Kevin Rudd and strip clubs!
 
Hi all,
After 4 months or so in office, I was expecting to be thinking, "well Rudd's made some significant blunders, but unless he declares war on the rest of the world, we're still in front of the previous trainwreck". On the contrary, I think he's nailed the job to date, as reflected in the astounding approval ratings he is achieving, even for a honeymoon period. As examples, Kyoto was ratified and the importance of climate change properly recognised, an initial state/federal consensus was achieved on water and health, and lately, his Kontiki tour (which sadly lacked lap dancers), recast Australia as something more than America's bumboy. On the latter, I have one caveat.

There's little doubt that Rudd's status as "dag of the century" (nay millenium) will not be under threat any time soon. I mean, he goes straight past tea and scones, and resides somewhere between Enid Blyton's "lashings of ginger beer" and iced vo-vos. The nerdy mock salute was a cringe, but if a dweeby greeting is people's greatest concern, I think there is a bit of a priority problem. Dweebs do these things from time to time. The cut and thrust of his trip was right on the money.

In the US, he reiterated that the alliance was rock solid, whilst also restating Australia's position on the war in Iraq. Given that Obama is the most likely next president, the positions serves more to align than alienate. Its 10 minutes to midnight for GW, and what he thinks of Rudd or Australia matters little. Incidentally, George should be feeling pretty good about his upcoming lot, due to the fact that when midnight arrives, he'll turn back into a pumpkin, and double his intellectual capacity.

In England, Rudd raised the republic issue, stating that it was still on the agenda, but not the highest priority. Tick.

In Afghanistan, he told the Musharraf to pull his finger out, without any diplomatic fallout. Tick.

At the UN, he argued for a seat at the table. Tick.

I think the real coup, however, was China. To be able to put forward the opinion of the vast majority of Australians on human rights, and at the same time progress trade relations and discuss cimate change shouldn't be under-rated. While some may think that Australia should "learn its place", I feel it is important to elucidate a country's position on issues, regardless of its size. It all adds to the pool. Further, I have no doubt China will continue to buy our resources and sell us plastic toys. That said, Rudd himself has warned against overstating the significance of his comments and discussions.


"I don't intend to overstate what I can do or we can do, I believe in being helpful at the margins where we can.

"I've described before the need for a creative middle power diplomacy that means nudging international agendas forward, helping where you can, whether it's on climate change, whether it's on global free trade negotiations or the current difficult situation with China in relation to Tibet."

"I wouldn't overstate the significance of what I have done here," he told Macquarie Radio by phone from Beijing.

"I've just executed my responsibility as prime minister of Australia," he said, saying the prime minister's job was "not to pretend there aren't problems when some of them exist, and simply to put them as best and as effectively as I can".


Alan Ramsey from the SMH puts it well:


Kevin Rudd confronted China this week. Brendan Nelson confronted Mike Carlton. Our visiting Prime Minister, very deliberately, delivered an unwanted truth on Tibetan human rights to the world's most populous nation. Our new Opposition Leader delivered radio 2UE's Sydney listeners some homely advice from his mum on the need to "always be neatly presented". You might think the comparison a cheap shot. You would be wrong.

To publicly stand up to the Chinese, in their own capital, in their own language, on an issue so sensitive to the planet's last great totalitarian state - and, since May last year, Australia's biggest (in dollars) trading partner - is something no visiting head of government, of any kind, has ever done, let alone one from this country. To say it took courage and no little risk only parrots the obvious. What it took was leadership of the most dramatic kind.

In recent years, we have been force-fed national leadership, wrapped in the flag, that gloried in sticking its head up the backside of Washington and its dependent satellite in the Middle East. To have an Australian prime minister behave as Rudd has done in Beijing is to think that maybe he is different after all and not just another political control freak with a brain as big as his smile. The bloke is worth watching.
 
Has some glowing international reviews, has represented Australia very well. In England 1,000 seats to hear him speak were sold out in 15 minutes. One article I read in an english newspaper hailed him new hero of the global centre left up there with Bill Clinton. If he keeps this up we may end up with a celebrity PM!
 
I'm sure you've heard the term "speaking Chinglish" - eg the signs below.
You wonder if some of Kevin's Chinese came across a bit "Eng-ineese"?
 

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I'm sure you've heard the term "speaking Chinglish" - eg the signs below.
You wonder if some of Kevin's Chinese came across a bit "Eng-ineese"?

Hi 20/20, Do you recall Bob Hawke's statement in China after it went through the interpreter? "Lets not play silly buggers" became "lets not all be cavorting homosexuals" or words to that effect. I'm sure it went down a treat.
 
Hi 20/20, Do you recall Bob Hawke's statement in China after it went through the interpreter? "Lets not play silly buggers" became "lets not all be cavorting homosexuals" or words to that effect. I'm sure it went down a treat.
lol - I'm sure that would have impressed em
or the computer that translated "hydraulic ram"
and it came out as "water buffalo"

PS I went to HK - asked the secretary "How do I say " good morning, nice day" in Cantonese.?"
she said just say "ngau hai chee seen low"
next day I'm proudly displaying my new langauge skills.
turns out it means "I am a lunatic".
she was cracking up in the background of course .
 
http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,23511829-5006301,00.html
Rudd's speech to Chinese students at Peking University
THE following is an English translation of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's speech delivered in Mandarin to Chinese students at Peking University.
A conversation with China’s youth on the future (by Kevin Rudd)
9 April 2008 Peking University

what he thinks he said :-
I begin by congratulating Peking University which this year celebrates its 110th anniversary – making this university three years older than the Commonwealth of Australia.

Peking University is the most famous in China. etc

PS what he actually said:-
I begin already congratulate Peking Duck School which this year celebratory its 110th massage – making this university very three years long older than the Bank of Australia.

Peking Duck School is very most famous near China. etc


PS skint, more on that Bob Hawke idea,
then there was the time I translated "your blood's worth bottling"
and my Chinese friend looked at me quizzically -
"what, - you want to kill me and put my blood in a bottle?"


PS more from Rudd's speech:-
sheesh sounds like he's done his homework. .



the idea of a “zhengyau” = a friend who is permitted to criticize
fwiw, back on another thread I asked some boke with chinese characters in his nicname to clarify a few things - called him pangyau - which is "friend" in Cantonese anyway
 
PS skint - more on that translation thingo..
there are a million subtleties that you can come unstuck with in these circumstances.
I also recall some girl put out a song in HK titled "the back side of your mind".

Someone had a word in her shelllike - and it suddenly reappeared on the market retitled "the far side of your mind" (or the dark side or something like that).
 
"Mtgs in China with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao"...
Yasuo Fukuda.. the 91st Prime Minister of Japan

A bit of Bill Leak's genius... (btw he has been hung in 11 Archibalds - that's a pretty well hung record.!

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/opinion/cartoons/

 

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Let's hope Rudd gets his focus back on Local issues, he's not the foreign minister, we need him to sort out the labour market, inflation and start making good on on some election promises or he's straight back out the door as far as my next vote is concerned.
 
I'm sure he will be focussing on local issues,

but I'm also sure our soldiers would appreciate it if his message sinks in - with NATO and/or Pakistan - that they (SAS etc) didn't have to continue to punch above their weight in Afghanistan.
 
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