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Zaxon said:
Question: What would the priest say to you when he was abusing you?
Answer from a victim: "It's God's way! God's teachings. Do it. Put up. Or go to hell."

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That's more an abuse of Power. The victim doesn't know that the abuser is lying. The Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. Why do you think the Catholic Church is against SSM. Why do you think Bas hates them more than she does Wayne :p

Proper/true Christians would never harm Children ......... or vote for Trump.
 
Value Collector said:
Once again Tinks loyalty to her cult shines through, face it Tink, you’re cult is morally bankrupt.
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The hierarchy of the Catholic Church is certainly morally bankrupt, I doubt you could say the same for the ordinary churchgoers who believed what they were told and were betrayed.
 
SirRumpole said:
The hierarchy of the Catholic Church is certainly morally bankrupt, I doubt you could say the same for the ordinary churchgoers who believed what they were told and were betrayed.
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If the “church goers”, continue supporting their morally bankrupt hierarchy financially every week, and in the face of convictions continue to make weaseling excuses for their masters and try to confuse issues to hide facts, then they are morally bankrupt also.

I have no idea why anyone would be turning up and putting money in the plate to support this institution.

The pope himself has been guilty of hiding pedos in South America.
 
VC, if I don't go to church and pledge my money and soul, then I am going to hell.

What should I do, support a corrupt institution and go to heaven or disown the church and go to hell.

Not an easy choice.
 
satanoperca said:
VC, if I don't go to church and pledge my money and soul, then I am going to hell.

What should I do, support a corrupt institution and go to heaven or disown the church and go to hell.

Not an easy choice.
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And what would you do if you found out there is neither heaven nor hell?
 
In the meantime (until I do my research) , if anyone can explain what evidence was used to convict him, let me know.
 
cynic said:
In this case, I simply cannot understand what evidence, could possibly have been presented, to eliminate all reasonable doubt.

As such, I strongly suspect that, irrespective of Pell's guilt (or absence thereof), that the jury was likely incorrect in delivering a guilty verdict, and was more likely driven, by emotively formed opinions, rather than objective assessment of the facts.
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It is suspicious for many people. That other priest ,Brenner , normally on the side of the media , doesn't seem convinced as well. I think this saga with the Church will just keep on going now.
 
Zaxon said:
So child molesters can't be found guilty unless there's, say, security cam footage of it, to make sure 100% it happened?
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If I were to accuse you of molesting me as a child, would you not want stronger evidence than merely my say so, before being sentenced to gaol, registered as a sex offender for life, publicly vilified etcetera?
 
Darc Knight said:
Proper/true Christians would never harm Children ......... or vote for Trump.
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That is called the “no true Scotsman fallacy”

Simply pointing to anyone that does wrong doing and saying “well that person can’t be a real Christian”, is just simply putting the concept of “Christianity” on a pedestal which it doesn’t diserve.

The fact is many Christian groups do follow dogma that harms children both directly and indirectly.
 
This is a life sentence for Pell. His career is gone. No Super or savings to fall back on after he does his porridge. In the community, on the pension, ducking and diving from people who want to attack him - for the rest of his life.
 
Value Collector said:
That is called the “no true Scotsman fallacy”

Simply pointing to anyone that does wrong doing and saying “well that person can’t be a real Christian”, is just simply putting the concept of “Christianity” on a pedestal which it doesn’t diserve.

The fact is many Christian groups do follow dogma that harms children both directly and indirectly.
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???

Have you read the Bible? Particularly the New Testament? Anything other than the Bible is NOT the word of God. Love, benevolence, self sacrifice for your fellow man. That's why they have nothing, are supposed to pursue nothing except the path of Jesus.

Stuff it if I could do it. I've seen true Christians die very young, used and abused. Sacrificing their life for others.
 
cynic said:
If I were to accuse you of molesting me as a child, would you not want stronger evidence than merely my say so, before being sentenced to gaol, registered as a sex offender for life, publicly vilified etcetera?
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So you reckon it's simple Cynic ? Anyone can just make an accusation against the third most powerful Catholic in the world and get it accepted by the police, the DPP, a committal court and a unanimous 12 person jury with just a persons word?

In fact, of course, the reason why so many 10's of thousands of children were abused and nothing happened was precisely because of your POV. And the people in power understood that -
1) These kids wouldn't have the courage to tell on them
2) Their parents wouldn't believe them anyway
3) The cops would look at the case and decide it was way too hard to prove and not lay charges - particularly in a Christian country where priests were next to God.

And so that is what happened time after time after time.

So, yeah. Let's accept your statement and pretend that almost all the world wide horror of child sex abuse didn't happen. (Not to mention nuns, adults and other religious. Yep they also were targeted.
 
basilio said:
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So, yeah. Let's accept your statement and pretend that almost all the world wide horror of child sex abuse didn't happen. (Not to mention nuns, adults and other religious. Yep they also were targeted.
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Let's not pretend anything about what does and does not happen!

If I were to accuse you of molesting me as a child, would you not want stronger evidence than merely my say so, before being sentenced to gaol, registered as a sex offender for life, publicly vilified etcetera?
 
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