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tech/a said:Excellent.
We will all speak amongst ourselves then without further input from you.
Navel gazing should be treated in a seperate thread.
You may wish to host it.
Enjoy your research.
I mitigate investment risk through diversification and fundamental analysis (as I described in other threads).
Nowadays I invest with income as my number 1 priority and with my current risk profile I am invested only in LPT's and energy/infrastructure trusts for their high yields.
I'm now starting to also look at trusts that invest in the European property market for extra diversification and spread of risk.
I agree in principle with what you say but now you are starting to talk about the extent of diversification within a portfolio to minimise risk.
tech/a said:Lets look at this probability treatment of RISK.
What seems to being stated is that one needs to define the probability of risk to mitigate it.
What is happening is there is a new subjective component being added--Probability.Unless you know 100% win or Lose the probability will be subjective.Assigning probability can be statistically relevant but generally not.
Taking B/M's example of allocating a point score for his Fundamental Analysis of a stock is simply ranking.Risk remains the uncertainty,albeit mitigated in B/Ms veiw certaintly not in mine--he has made it vitally clear that it works for him.
Take this exercise on Risk and Probability.
I argue that probability is information based,and even with the best information doesnt solve the problem of risk entirely,there are pieces which if left out of the evaluation process could result in ruin.---slower maybe/maybe not.
I have a covered jar of M&Ms I tell 2 people that there are green and yellow M&Ms in the jar.
Person one knows only this--person 2 I tell that there are 3 green M&Ms to One Yellow M&M.
I ask each to pull out a green M&M.
Does person 1 have greater risk than person 2 of being incorrect.
Does being armed with knowledge of greater probability of success infact place 2 in a better position to selecting a correctly coloured M&M?
What more do we need?
So in a simplistic case, if you find from your paper trading or whatever simulation technique you use, that given your predetermined entry signals being met (from chart patterns, indicators or whatever) the share price continues to rise on at least the next day 75 times out of a hundred then your entry criteria being met on any single occasion will have a 75% probability of giving a profitable trade for the next day in the future. So in this simplistic example the risk of successful trade is 75% and the risk of a failed trade is 25% imo.
So unless you have software with sufficient grunt to calculate these risks
ps....I doubt I will be around tomorrow, so I'll pop in later this week if anyone wants to discuss further......have a good evening
I see that tech/a has already corrected your misunderstanding of my previous post with regard to a definition of risk.
Interesting point of view.
I suppose you would rather then be subjected to inaccurate opinion, rather than accurate and commonly accepted finance theory?
Of course, if you have a problem with commonly accepted finance theory, and I very often do myself, then by all means highlight the offending theory, and offer your refutation, based on whatever argument that you feel is pertinent.
This unfortunately, is just nonsense.
As by way of evidence for refutation of said nonsense, see the following link;
http://lightning.he.net/cgi-bin/suid/~reefcap/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=25;t=000140
but if you really need to know, then maybe start a new thread asking people what a paper loss is and if someone genuinely believes you do not already know the answer then hopefully they will help you out.
So unless you have software with sufficient grunt to calculate these risks for you under different scenarios/environments the vast majority of traders are left with paper trading and documenting the results until the distribution of the possible outcomes is determined in order to then asses the probability of the trading plan succeeding in the long run. Obviously the more data you get from paper trading the more accurate will be the plan's probability of success - but then you can't paper trade forever either
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