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Atlas79 said:
Oppose Dwarkins, you are pro molestation. Overplay your hand much? And Ruby, you claim atheism is not militant? Atheists in this thread have openly proposed eradicating "all of [religion]." Starting, it seems, with the peaceful ones it is safe to criticize, since they believe life is sacred and won't issue fatwahs. (I would love, LOVE to see Dawkins tackle certain other religions head on, publicly. Danish cartoonists anyone?)



No comments from these Dwarkinites, ever, about female genital mutilation or stoning women to death or hanging homosexuals in the streets of Iran. Nor of a desire to take over the world by actual violent conquest. Not a peep. (Or better yet they say elmininating Christianity, an opponent to all this, is the solution...?)
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Atlas, you don't know who on this thread is an athiest; and the most militant person on it has been you. (I suppose I can safely assume you are not an atheist?)

As for female genital mutilation, etc, etc.... no of course it has not been mentioned because it has nothing to do with this thread.

You really are most dreadfully confused.
 
Atlas79 said:
Do note I'm not saying this as a Christian but as someone who enjoys the fruits of a society founded on Judeo-Christian values (what's left of them after the long, sustained, deliberate campaign to subvert those values, of which Dawkins is just another flung spear.)
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Tell me Atlas, which particular Judeo-Christian values is Richard Dawkins trying to subvert?
 
Atlas79 said:
Yes - people will always worship, it is part of us (even atheists have faith in their dogma, it's all through this thread.)
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Atlas, you still don't understand. Atheism is not a faith; there is no dogma. And without the belief in a god, there is no vacuum either.

As you are clearly not an athiest, you are in no position to argue with this
 
Of course atheism's faith based. Anything that you cannot prove or disprove is. It's the other side of the same coin.
 
Fishbulb said:
Of course atheism's faith based. Anything that you cannot prove or disprove is. It's the other side of the same coin.
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Rubbish. Atheism has nothing to do with faith. It's merely a matter of choice, based on common sense.
 
Calliope said:
Rubbish. Atheism has nothing to do with faith. It's merely a matter of choice, based on common sense.
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Common sense isn’t that common, even with atheists.

If you put a group of atheists in a room, I am sure they would all agree to disagree with each other, not only that, but with certainty.
 
Fishbulb said:
Of course atheism's faith based. Anything that you cannot prove or disprove is. It's the other side of the same coin.
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LOL i don't need to not prove there's a god..its a given, its the natural state of being...gods were invented by humans to fill there needs.

Its not the other side of the same coin...there's no gods on an atheist coin, it's a non event...gods are as relevant as The tooth Fairy, Mickey mouse and king kong.

weird said:
If you put a group of atheists in a room, I am sure they would all agree to disagree with each other, not only that, but with certainty.
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That's true of any group of people...perhaps slightly more so with atheists because by nature they tend to be more likely to be individualist rather than need social acceptance and crowd support.
 
So Cynical, you are blinded by your beliefs as much as the religious nutters you detest.
 
Sad, but widespread in all areas of society,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

"while experts in the field of sexual abuse counseling contend that celibacy has no effect on rates of child abuse in the Catholic Church, as it has been shown that the rates of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is not higher than in society, other public institutions and other religious denominations."

So others, not related to the Catholic Church are doing at least the same damage , in the same numbers or more, to kids, than the focused group.

Sick I know. Blame society, or blame something.

Btw, I am catholic, go to church regularly, if anyone tried to attend a regular mass or spend time with a priest, the whole thing is about love, respect, caring, and giving, and being part of a community. I guess some could take advantage of that.
 
gav said:
So Cynical, you are blinded by your beliefs as much as the religious nutters you detest.
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beliefs, detest...please Gav i believe in very little and detest only the detestable.
 
weird said:
Sad, but widespread in all areas of society,
"while experts in the field of sexual abuse counseling contend that celibacy has no effect on rates of child abuse in the Catholic Church, as it has been shown that the rates of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is not higher than in society, other public institutions and other religious denominations."

the whole thing is about love, respect, caring, and giving, and being part of a community. I guess some could take advantage of that.
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Proven long ago the career paedophiles deliberately seek employment in areas where they can get easy access to children...Priests, The scouts, School teachers, youth counselling, sports coaching etc.
 
So_Cynical said:
Proven long ago the career paedophiles deliberately seek employment in areas where they can get easy access to children...Priests, The scouts, School teachers, youth counselling, sports coaching etc.
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Great post So Cynical. But I don't like your use of the word paedophile. As you would definitely agree there is no love involved in these crimes, so I think the Anti-PC term 'pederast' is a much better word to describe such persons. Anyhow, don't mean to be technical just wanted to point that out.
 
Atlas79 said:
Do note I'm not saying this as a Christian but as someone who enjoys the fruits of a society founded on Judeo-Christian values (what's left of them after the long, sustained, deliberate campaign to subvert those values, of which Dawkins is just another flung spear.)
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Fortunately our society is based on humanist values and not Judeo-Christian values. I say fortunately because otherwise we would have laws based on the following rules in the christian bible.

Death for adultery

"If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the *****, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire."

No pulling on private parts

"If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."

Death for homosexuality

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them"

Demonisation of women

'When she is cleansed from her discharge, she must count off seven days, and after that she will be ceremonially clean. 29 On the eighth day she must take two doves or two young pigeons and bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 30 The priest is to sacrifice one for a sin offering and the other for a burnt offering. In this way he will make atonement for her before the LORD for the uncleanness of her discharge.
 
Of course atheism's faith based. Anything that you cannot prove or disprove is. It's the other side of the same coin.
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As the old saying goes: saying Atheism is a kind of faith is like saying baldness is a kind of hat.

Atheism means no belief in god. It does NOT mean an active belief that there is no god - not the same thing at all. Most atheists are happy to go to the second part as a provisional answer, but of course it can't be proven. Just as almost any statement of fact must carry with it an element of uncertainty. But when a wild-ass claim is made with no evidence to back it up, I think it's a fair answer to say "uh, I don't think so".

Are you happy to say "there's no such thing as Santa"? Sure. But can you PROVE it? No. A sufficiently magical Santa could remain hidden forever. So is it an act of faith to say "I don't believe in Santa"? Should we create a name for this new "religion"? Asantanists?

Ya bloody militant Asantanists, denying the existence of His Holy Redness. You're no more rational than we true believers! We're two sides of THE SAME COIN!

Repeat for every single magical, can't-be-proven claim that you don't believe. Jeez, you're going to be in a lot of religions. Afairyist, Amagicalunicornist, Aoptimusprimist, Ausefulpoliticianist. And all of those non-beliefs no more rational than the beliefs-in-impossible-crap themselves. Sides of coins.

Bull.

Put it another way: atheism means "no god" - if you don't presently believe in god, you're an atheist. Babies do not believe in god by virtue of being unable to have the idea explained to them. Are babies all religious? What about rocks? They're atheist by virtue of not having brains. They can't believe in god no matter how what combination of indoctrination, gullibility, wishful thinking and cultural tradition you bring to bear on them.

But apparently rocks belong to a religion.

...we should probably start giving them tax breaks.
 
Fishbulb said:
Of course atheism's faith based. Anything that you cannot prove or disprove is. It's the other side of the same coin.
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Fishbulb, that is arrant nonsense. Atheism is not a belief system - there is nothing to believe in for the atheist. There is no dogma. It is simply a lack of belief in something others choose to believe.

Do you believe there are goblins at the bottom of your garden? No? Green men on Mars? No? So is your non-belief in these things a "faith"? Of course not!!

If a group of people suddenly decide to believe in something new, and I choose not to take part, have I suddenly acquired a new "faith"? Of course not. The other people have.
 
Keep it up. Rational observers - of all faiths except, from the look of things, the faith of Atheism - will note the emotional carry on & ad homenims from these paragons of reason. :)
 
Atheists are a peculiar lot. So eager to prove their faith as being unique and or superior, yet so unwilling to actually call it a faith. Which of course it is.
They simply need to be honest about it.
 
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