This thread is so cool.
I dont think I Hero Worship, but I see the Pope as a messenger of Peace, and where he walks, helping people - its just a nice feeling
Atlas and GL: I'm finding it difficult to understand what these posts contribute to the thread. Really they just demonstrate complete lack of taste on your part.
I have no time for religion or the Pope, but don't believe reducing any discussion about the subject to such puerile tripe furthers anyone's cause.
They are red herrings,Julia. I know it is puerile tripe, and deliberately provocative in order to get a response. However, if ignored they have no traction.
This is what this thread is about
This thread is about Richard Dawkins and his agenda
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rory-fitzgerald/richard-dawkins-should-be_b_541387.html
I think it is time the anti-atheists woke up to the possibility that they have been taken for a ride. I'm pretty sure that Dawkins, Hitchens and Robertson have no intention of arresting the Pope or anyone else. There is absolutely no way the British establishment would allow that to happen.
These three guys obviously have a sense of humour, and looked around for a way to put the Pope under the spotlight. And it certainly worked.
Dawkins said himself that he didn't expect it to happen, but they wanted to raise some awareness to the fact that a pope is as answerable to the law as the next person. He and his mates will be having a good laugh!!
Look at the anger it has raised here!
Gumby, what you need to understand is that you've now tangoed with a new bunch of god botherers, but they have no overarching morality to constrain them, and they have a different god. Reason or science or logic, as evidenced by this thread, is nothing to do with it. It is ALL about silencing and attacking the unbeliever. "Why" is a blank that can be filled in later. It feels nice to feel superior to others, that is the underlying orientation of it.
Your call for a set of atheist values is on point. But I don't see why Christian (or whatever) values can't be adopted by those who don't necessarily swallow the Christian story of creation.
The values themselves aren't the problem - if lived up to, they're benign. The charge against the church is that they DON'T live up to the values.
But all Dawkins has proved is that the pope is NOT as answerable to the law as the next person.
He has enhanced his own profile however.
He hasn't proven anything yet. However, I think Geoffrey Robertson will put up a good case, expecting nothing to come of it but raised awareness of the whole sleazy Vatican cover-up; and in that they are already highly successful.
Gumby, what you need to understand is that you've now tangoed with a new bunch of god botherers, but they have no overarching morality to constrain them, and they have a different god. Reason or science or logic, as evidenced by this thread, is nothing to do with it. It is ALL about silencing and attacking the unbeliever. "Why" is a blank that can be filled in later. It feels nice to feel superior to others, that is the underlying orientation of it.
Your call for a set of atheist values is on point. But I don't see why Christian (or whatever) values can't be adopted by those who don't necessarily swallow the Christian story of creation.
The values themselves aren't the problem - if lived up to, they're benign. The charge against the church is that they DON'T live up to the values.
What do you have against Dawkins?
To me he is just a realist.
And well said Waynel. Game, set and match.
Explod....... I am very pro-Dawkins, as you will see if you read my posts.
Overarching morality? Christian values?
What, like stoning adulterers and homosexuals to death?
Fishbulb,as usual you are talking nonsense. this is the sort of sweeping generalisation we have all come to expect of you. It's a juvenile tactic people resort to when they know their argument has no legs and they have nothing useful to offer but still try and defend their position.
You don't have to be religious to understand the bible. Many of the worlds great bible scholars are non-believers
Most religious people have never read and have no understanding of the bible or the messages therein. They are content to believe the puerile mash fed to them by their priests.
Have you read the bible?? Do you understand everything in it?? No? I am sure your mother taught you about glass houses and throwing stones!
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