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RHG - RHG Limited

Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

A 25% recovery yesterday - but will it hold? One can only hope that those shareholders do.

This from today's Age:

Small flock OKs Rams' final fleecing
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November 27, 2007

THEY arrived and left as gentle as lambs. Herded into a Sydney conference room and shorn of almost all value, Rams shareholders handed over the best-known part of the briefly listed mortgage lender without a bleat of anger or protest.

Resigned to the inevitable that nobody but Westpac wanted a business that had been crunched so hard by the global liquidity crisis, investors voted by almost 12-1 to sell the brand and its franchise operations.

Of the four resolutions put to the 100 or so shareholders who bothered to turn up, chairman and founder John Kinghorn said the saddest was that authorising a change in the company's name from Rams to RHG Group.

As the company's biggest shareholder with 20%, even after selling down $650 million worth of stock before listing just four months ago, he was duty bound to vote in favour given the lock-in terms to which he and Rams' directors had agreed as part of the deal with Westpac.

Neither did he nor his band of small and institutional investors have any choice but to say yes to Westpac's offer of $140 million for the main business given his own startling admission to the meeting that Rams was "no longer a going concern". It was the closest Rams came in three months of trying but failing to refinance $6 billion of loans from global credit markets to accepting publicly that it was a business in name only. Now it doesn't even have that.

Mr Kinghorn remained hopeful that its attempts to replace its once-cheap sources of borrowings with new debt would eventually succeed, albeit at a much higher cost, which would eat into what profits it had left.

"It is inconceivable that the (credit) markets will be closed forever," he said.

Rams shareholders at this point will get virtually nothing from Westpac's $140 million and only a promise of a full distribution of any surplus cash from the run-down of Rams' remaining $14 billion mortgage book.

They, of course, can sell their shares. However, at yesterday's closing price of 29.5 ¢, those investors who bought in at $2.50 at the end of July face an 88% loss on their investment.

But not even that was enough to prompt a despairing question or comment about shareholder value from the floor.

Mercifully, for Mr Kinghorn and his fellow directors, it was all over in half an hour flat. And flat basically summed up the mood and RHG's immediate prospects.


(Disclosure - holding long term as highly speculative)
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Looks to me like the day traders have moved in on this one. High risk IMO. Could see a sharp reversal back to about 30ish when the next bit of bad news to do with the subprime mess surfaces. I think that RHG are still in the process of tying up the $6billion credit facility, which is not guaranteed either, on top of that, they extended a $500mil warehouse facility which now matures Dec31. Still a rocky road to go for this IMHO.
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

sold out yesterday :) second time lucky with RHG :)
Come back in if it hit 30 or below and looking for third time lucky
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

I bought in at .35 a month ago. Was a nervous month so got out at .375 yesterday. Was pretty stoked with that after touching .215 a couple of weeks ago.
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

This stock has real value but it will never trade no where near the level most people value it for like 45-60 cents due to there is no prospect of increase earning... they just run down the loan book so you have to factor in some fats
and buy them at 30 cents or below so if **** happen you can break even from first few dividend payment ..

I wouldn't touch it above 35 cents :D
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Awesome announcement by RHG today, the management doing a good job and all the hard work has been paid off and current holder may get some double digit dividends soon :D
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

This stock has real value but it will never trade no where near the level most people value it for like 45-60 cents

buy them at 30 cents or below so if **** happen you can break even from first few dividend payment ..

I wouldn't touch it above 35 cents :D

Wow haven't looked at this one for months and to see it trade below 8c is a real shock....considering it floated at around $2.50.
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Massive 86% price rise today on a massive volume of 22 million in response to last evening's full year unaudited profit result.

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RHG Limited (previously known as RAMS Home Loans Group Limited) has today announced an unaudited consolidated profit after tax for the year ended 30 June 2008 of $124 million.
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Plus they will be buying back 10% of issued capital over the next 12 months.

Could we looking at some sort of a comeback for the old RAMS to previous levels?
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Wow haven't looked at this one for months and to see it trade below 8c is a real shock....considering it floated at around $2.50.

The real shock to me is that nobody here has been following its massive rise since that time. Trading over 40c now. Massive opportunity over the last 12 months.
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

The real shock to me is that nobody here has been following its massive rise since that time. Trading over 40c now. Massive opportunity over the last 12 months.

I agree this is pretty strange no one has been tracking this in discussions.

It looks to me like a substantial part of the rise of RHG is attributable to the company's own share buybacks, combined with the fact that no one would short them at these levels. Can someone tell me how many shares are remaining in the buyback?
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Has anyone done a worst case calculation of what the impact will be to RHG if it loses the legal battle it has with a noteholder of one of its securitization vehicles?
 
Re: RHG Ltd

Maybe it is time to remove Rams Home Loans from the title of this thread, because RHG sold that entity a while ago and the remaining entity RHG Ltd is NOT affiliated with Rams Home Loans at this point.
 
Re: RHG - Rams Home Loans

Trading at around 55 cents now, the market didn't like the court action...call me nuts but i can see some potential here...they have cash, there very profitable, all the debts secured in a round about way.

I mean i cant see them just shrinking away to nothing, eventually debt will be available again and RHG would be in a great position to go forward...the bastard banks cant get it all there own way forever, RHG could be a great turn around story.

Can some one comment on there cash at hand because i thought i must be seeing things?
 
What happened to RHG today?

Hi All,

As a newbie to the world of trading I was hoping that someone might help explain what I observed today (22/6/11) whilst watching the closing trades on RHG. Total volumes for the day were 2.68M.

For most of the day stock was trading @ 0.47 then at 15:34 over half a million shares were purchased at 0.475.

Then after close the price was pushed down to 0.465 :confused:

As a newbie this makes no sense to me. It also caused a bearish candle on the chart for what was otherwise a bullish sort of day so I have no idea what will likely happen tomorrow.

To enable me to better understand the market dynamic, I was hoping one of you seasoned traders might be able to explain "what happened, and why?"

Thanks in advance.

Martin.
 
Re: What happened to RHG today?

Martin, there is really nothing unusual in these trades. The matchout at 4:10 is simply an auction and the bids were such that the final price was 46.5.

If you are not sure how the closing auction works, have a look at this link

http://www.asx.com.au/products/calculate-open-close-prices.htm

Cheers
Country Lad
 

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No one's talking about this stock, but has div yield coming up of 35.5% ! What's the catch? :confused:

I am trying not to be rude pp, but why do you want us to do your research for you? Wouldn't it be more appropriate for for you to read the profit guidance announcement of 14 Feb rather than have us look it up and spoon feed you?

Simple for you to look it up, read it and lo and behold there is the answerr to the question you need not have asked.

Cheers
Country Lad
 
OK, thanks. Being a newbie, despite reading the reports, I can't say I know what to predict, but I imagine the S/P will drop more than the div on the ex div date, and maybe stay down....
 
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