Religious leader condemns RAPE

new girl · 26 October 2006

2020hindsight said:
M8 -

As a Moslim lady said on ABC this morning - "let's get a Mufti that can communicate - that can talk in English for a start, and secondly who makes sense!!" - paraphrased. Hear Hear girl!!

A new Mufti?

I don't think Al Hilali is the problem. Where do you think he got his views from? How can all the Muslim extremists around the world (not only Arabs) happen to have the exact same values?

This woman doesn't have a clue (no offence). A new mufti will no doubt communicate and in English only to say:

It’s OK to have four wives.
It’s OK for a husband to discipline his wife physically if needed.
A woman's testimony in court is not equal to a man's.
You only need to utter the word in order to divorce your wife.
And don't get me started on these 70 virgins in heaven (see Corruption in Australia for that).....

These issues are not about differences in culture, language or individuals that we need to talk about and resolve, they should simply be illegal to teach in Australia.

Al Hilali should not step down from his position, he should go to jail!

2020hindsight · 27 October 2006

new girl said:
You only need to utter the word in order to divorce your wife....And don't get me started on these 70 virgins in heaven (see Corruption in Australia for that).....

New girl lol - thanks for the post
True story:- I knew an aussie who married a Malay girl and had to change to being a moslem. He was the biggest p***pot (and one of the funniest blokes) you ever met lol - wasnt permitted to smile throughout the ceremony! (o boy - good start to married life huh? lol)

Anyway he discovered he only had to say " I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you" and that was IT - all over red rover. I guess they have to say it three times to get around the case of accidentally saying it - like maybe in your sleep lol.

So just after the honeymoon he said " I divorce you, I divorce you, and.... DON'T make me have to say it again!!" (needless to say they were subsequently divorced lol. I mean some attitudes are constructive and some just ....self destruct.)

As for the virgins - we've already investigated that as I recall lol. 70 sheesh.

As for the Mufti in jail - you won't get much argument from me, though Im not sure what the offence would be. Robbing the world of virgins maybe?

I notice Prue Goward (sex discrimination commissioner) suggests he should be deported. - But to be honest, I'm more interested in what happens to the future of moslem - nonmoslem relations.

PS as for having multiple wives, there was a fellow in HK name of Stanley Ho (if my memory serves me correctly - might be wrong) - had a 4 storey house - lowest storey for the car, and a wife on each of the other 3 - so when he got home, he'd press the button on the lift to the floor he felt like going to that particular evening . Mustve been a bludy masochist

new girl · 27 October 2006

2020hindsight said:
New girl lol - thanks for the post
True story:- I knew an aussie who married a Malay girl and had to change to being a moslem. He was the biggest p***pot (and one of the funniest blokes) you ever met lol - wasnt permitted to smile throughout the ceremony! (o boy - good start to married life huh? lol)

Anyway he discovered he only had to say " I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you" and that was IT - all over red rover. I guess they have to say it three times to get around the case of accidentally saying it - like maybe in your sleep lol.

So just after the honeymoon he said " I divorce you, I divorce you, and.... DON'T make me have to say it again!!" (needless to say they were subsequently divorced lol. I mean some attitudes are constructive and some just ....self destruct.)

As for the virgins - we've already investigated that as I recall lol. 70 sheesh.

As for the Mufti in jail - you won't get much argument from me, though Im not sure what the offence would be. Robbing the world of virgins maybe?

I notice Prue Goward (sex discrimination commissioner) suggests he should be deported. - But to be honest, I'm more interested in what happens to the future of aussie - moslem relations.

PS as for having multiple wives, there was a fellow in HK name of Stanley Ho (if my memory serves me correctly - might be wrong) - had a 4 storey house - lowest storey for the car, and a wife on each of the other 3 - so when he got home, he'd press the button on the lift to the floor he felt like going to that particular evening . Mustve been a bludy masochist

Lots of love to you 2020. F@#!$% you make me laugh!! about the only one that does on this forum. What's wrong with these people, they can’t even write poetry?

I have a couple of cousins who had to switch religions to marry, one divorced and the other seems o.k.

Aussie-Muslim relations is a very complex issue, it’s dominating Australia's national and international politics. I lived with Muslims most of my life (my best friend was one) and never felt that I belonged there. No one tried to accommodate my Christian values in any way; I just had to keep my mouth shut. Muslims must fully respect the Australian way of life and get on with life. Comments like Al Hilali's should land him and others in jail. Very simple.

By the way, keep posting the poetry I love it, I just can't believe that you quote your own posts and reply to yourself!!

kitehigh · 27 October 2006

This guy would be welcomed with open arms by the Taliban and AQ. He should be deported to the Tribal Areas of Pakistan where he can feel more comfortable, and his speeches met with loud cheering.

2020hindsight · 27 October 2006

new girl said:
By the way, keep posting the poetry

Lol - true story agin - yesterday in fact , Im walking around North Sydney , and there's this bloke waiting at the bus stop - and would you believe it there's this ray of sunlight - like really thin, and quite bright ! but solitary amongst the massive shadows of the buildings -

So I say to him "nice here isn't it - waiting here with this stingy Ray of sunlight struggling feebly down between the houses tall," ....

and he goes, he goes - welll -.... he just goes !!!
Runs up the street looking around at me as if im a madman

WHAT's HAPPENING TO THE WORLD !! lol.
ahhh SHUDDUP!! adios amigos (amigees?) whatever lol

wayneL · 27 October 2006

2020hindsight said:
Lol - true story agin - yesterday in fact , Im walking around North Sydney , and there's this bloke waiting at the bus stop - and would you believe it there's this ray of sunlight - like really thin, and quite bright ! but solitary amongst the massive shadows of the buildings -

So I say to him "nice here isn't it - waiting here with this stingy Ray of sunlight struggling feebly down between the houses tall," ....

and he goes, he goes - welll -.... he just goes !!!
Runs up the street looking around at me as if im a madman

WHAT's HAPPENING TO THE WORLD !! lol.
ahhh SHUDDUP!! adios amigos (amigees?) whatever lol

Well...

"...townsfolk have no time to grow, they have no time to waste."

2020hindsight · 27 October 2006

wayneL said:
Well..."...townsfolk have no time to grow, they have no time to waste."

M8 , you got it one !! :bier:

"Banjo, thou should be living at this hour - Australia hath need of thee"

Just for a lark Im going to write all my business letters today with a thumbnail dipped in tar. see ya.

Julia · 27 October 2006

The Muslim community has done itself no favours by its senior members meeting for several hours last night to deliberate on Hilali's comments, and today announcing no action would be taken. They say he was misinterpreted, and, after all, he has unreservedly apologised.

Not good enough. Had they taken some action against him, they would have earned considerably greater credibility with most of the Australian community.

Julia

professor_frink · 27 October 2006

Julia said:
The Muslim community has done itself no favours by its senior members meeting for several hours last night to deliberate on Hilali's comments, and today announcing no action would be taken. They say he was misinterpreted, and, after all, he has unreservedly apologised.

Not good enough. Had they taken some action against him, they would have earned considerably greater credibility with most of the Australian community.

Julia

They haven't taken action against any of the other stupid things that have come out this nutters mouth so why would this time be any different
He has been saying these kinds of things since before he was even a resident.

Here's the wiki page on him. This is far from the first time he's sounded like a raving lunatic.
crazy muslim man

Sean K · 27 October 2006

professor_frink said:
They haven't taken action against any of the other stupid things that have come out this nutters mouth so why would this time be any different
He has been saying these kinds of things since before he was even a resident.

Here's the wiki page on him. This is far from the first time he's sounded like a raving lunatic.
crazy muslim man

Thanks for the link professor. Wiki have everything don't they?! I wonder if I'm in there...

Happy · 27 October 2006

From ABC, October 27, 2006. 6:09am (AEST)
Muslim leaders accept Sheikh's explanation

The Lebanese Muslim Association in Sydney says it will take no action against one of the nation's most senior Muslim clerics over his comments that scantily dressed women invite sexual violence.
Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly reportedly compared women to uncovered meat.
The comments brought swift condemnation from politicians, including Prime Minister John Howard.
The Sydney cleric has apologised for the remarks, made last month during a sermon.
Sheikh Hilaly issued a statement saying he was speaking about the causes that lead to fornication, and that he condemns rape.
He has unreservedly apologised to any woman offended by his comments, insisting he only intended to protect women's honour.
In his statement, Sheikh Hilaly said women in Australia have the freedom and right to dress as they choose.
Last night, senior Muslim leaders from the Lakemba Mosque met in Sydney for several hours to review a recording and a transcript of the sermon.
In a statement, the association says after meeting with the Sheikh it is satisfied his statements have been misinterpreted.

In other developments:

- Senior Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly has apologised for any offence caused by a sermon in which he reportedly laid the blame for sexual assault on women who do not cover their bodies.

- Community and political leaders are distancing themselves from senior Muslim cleric Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly's comparison of women who do not cover their bodies to raw meat.

- Islamic leaders are meeting in Sydney to decide the future of one of Australia's most senior Muslim clerics, after he made comments about women that have caused outrage and sparked condemnation.

Few hours later -

From ABC, October 27

Sheikh's sermons put on hold

The Lebanese Muslim Association says one of the nation's most senior clerics will not give sermons at Sydney's Lakemba Mosque for the next two to three months.
The association met last night to discuss controversial comments about women made by Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly.
Association president Tom Zreika says the board met the Sheikh last night and it accepts the comments he made during a sermon last month were misinterpreted.
But this morning Mr Zreika says some board members wanted stronger action taken against the Sheikh.
"There were a few items there we didn't fully accept," he said.
"Some people on the board would have liked to see more done but unfortunately we can only speak as a board."
Mr Zreika says the Sheikh will not be giving sermons at Lakemba Mosque for the next few months but he will not say whether the Sheikh agreed to this or whether the board imposed the suspension on him as punishment.
"It was a very, very intense meeting and you can take it either way," he said.
He says the Sheikh will issue a statement later today, clarifying his comments.
Parliamentary secretary for Multicultural Affairs Andrew Robb is outraged that stronger action has not been taken against the Sheikh.
Mr Robb says he believes there will be strong pressure from other Muslims for the Sheikh to be asked to resign.
"I must say I'm shocked - I'm quite angry about this and frustrated by this decision of a few leaders in Sydney to wipe their hands of this matter - I think it's unacceptable," he said.
"And I do suspect it in no way reflects the widespread disgust that I observed across the Muslim community around Australia yesterday."
Community Relations Commission chairman Stepan Kerkyasharian wrote to Sheikh Al Hilaly yesterday, asking him to explain the comments.
Mr Kerkyasharian says he is not satisfied with the Sheikh's and Muslim leaders' responses to the controversy.
"The original reported sermon was unquestionably, unquestionably about rape," he said.
"Now we're told that he will not be preaching for a few months - that sounds like a punishment and a suspension to me.
"I think someone needs to make a very clear statement as to what is really happening."

Reluctantly he’s almost put aside for dust to settle down.
Hope this is not the end of this story.

Happy · 27 October 2006

From ABC,, October 27, 2006. 11:24am (AEST)
Political leaders maintain pressure on Sheikh

The Prime Minister has warned there could be long-term problems for the Muslim community in Australia over controversial comments a Sheikh made about women during a sermon in Sydney last month.
During the sermon Sheikh Taj el-Din Al Hilaly likened scantily dressed women to uncovered meat.
John Howard has told Southern Cross radio it is up to Australian Muslims, rather than the Government, to resolve the debate.
"What I am saying to the Islamic community is this - that if they do not resolve this matter it could do lasting damage to the perceptions of that community within the broader Australian community, and that would be a tragedy," he said.
New South Wales Premier Morris Iemma says the Sheikh should retire, and his move to step aside from preaching for a couple of months is not acceptable.
"Well it doesn't go far enough - [there has] not been sufficient accountability in this decision," Mr Iemma said.
"He should retire - he should go - and frankly his comments are just way out of line with acceptable behaviour in this country."
The parliamentary secretary for Multicultural Affairs, Andrew Robb, says he hopes the Muslim community pushes for the Sheikh to resign.
"There was expressed yesterday enormous disgust and revulsion at what he had said by the community itself and there were calls yesterday across the Muslim community for his resignation," Mr Robb said.
"And I suspect those calls will not be affected by the decision taken by a few men last night in Sydney and I do think the community will take this further and I would hope that they will take this further."

Disagreement

The Lebanese Muslim Association issued a statement last night saying it believes Sheikh Al Hilaly's comments have been misinterpreted.
Association president Tom Zreika says during a meeting last night some board members called for a stronger punishment to be given.
"To be honest with you not everyone was happy but the majority were satisfied with his explanations," Mr Zreika said.
"And he'll be coming out with his own explanation this afternoon."
He says the Sheikh has made it clear that he has no intention of stepping aside.
"You've got to appreciate that he's given 50 years [of] service to our community," Mr Zreika said.
"I think it's about 32 in Australia and the difference overseas and I mean we want a smooth transition if any but if there is not going to be a transition - that's totally up to him."

There seems to be more pressure and I hope there will be no demonstrations in support of misinterpreted preacher.

Happy · 27 October 2006

http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http://news.ninemsn.com.au/vote%

We can register our opinion on Nine MSN site today, if we want.

Sean K · 27 October 2006

I wonder how the Cronulla crowd will deal with all this? I can sence some flag waving occuring.

new girl · 27 October 2006

A spokesman for Sheik Alhilali said the backlash and criticism had badly affected him and he had been depressed and confined to bed all day, breathing with the assistance of an oxygen tank.

What a waste!! a whole oxygen tank?

2020hindsight · 27 October 2006

Julia said:
Not good enough. Had they taken some action against him, they would have earned considerably greater credibility with most of the Australian community. Julia

Julia I think I heard Moslem spokesman say that the fact that the Sheik's up for re-election in 3 months or so, they might wait till then to "give hm the flik".

BTW, I'm reminded of your poem about the people in the buses lol - that's what it would end up like if this bloke's disciples were in charge of morals. - something about everyone pretending it was the end of the world. -

Announcement Announcement!! The Miss World Pageant has now reached the SWIMSUIT competition stage - mmm after last year's little "incident", could all followers of Al Hilaly please leave the room thank you".

PS the Sheik has apologised for comparing bare flesh to something that will attract an alley cat - Firstly he apologises to the alley cats - he meant to say stray dogs, but (he's learning) he's already preparing his apology to stray dogs as well.

(with a knick knack paddy whack give the dog a boner - this old man came rolling home)

spitrader1 · 27 October 2006

professor_frink said:
They haven't taken action against any of the other stupid things that have come out this nutters mouth so why would this time be any different
He has been saying these kinds of things since before he was even a resident.

Here's the wiki page on him. This is far from the first time he's sounded like a raving lunatic.
crazy muslim man

instead of the mufti hiding behind his muslim mates in lakemba, why doesnt he come up to country queensland with a couple of cattle/cane farmers who are living on 5.00 a day because of the drought. After they have worked 12 hours a day, and come inside for half a glass of water not a beer (because he cant afford one) and not a full glass of water (because of the draught) the mufti should then tell the famer that the reason his wife got insulted in the street the other day was because she didnt have a burqha on. then lets see whats fair and whats not.

Julia · 27 October 2006

2020hindsight said:
Julia I think I heard Moslem spokesman say that the fact that the Sheik's up for re-election in 3 months or so, they might wait till then to "give hm the flik".

BTW, I'm reminded of your poem about the people in the buses lol - that's what it would end up like if this bloke's disciples were in charge of morals. - something about everyone pretending it was the end of the world. -

.

2020, either you have an astonishing memory or have just been re-reading the poetry thread: that contribution was many months ago I think.
Btw, although I contributed that poem to the thread I'm certainly not creative enough to have written it - just loved the poem though from when I first came across it about 20 years ago.

Julia

Rafa · 27 October 2006

Wow... Been in Japan last month on a holiday and come back to see not much has changed... more crazy clerics talking out of their backsides! I wonder if there are muslims in Japan, cause those Japanese girls wear the shortest shorts imaginable!

I really think its up to Muslim women to sort this out. I am sure we will be there giving them all the support they need, but it is them that need to get the ball rolling.

Reading the comments, I was pleasantly surprised to see that a muslim woman came out to speak, and she put her views forward in a forthright and succinct manner.

I hope this issue doesn't just flitter away like some of the others controversys, but rather forms the start of a proper campaign to break the fundamentalist establishment. Christianity had to go thru this process a while back... but like all good revolutions, it needs to be driven from the grassroots.

wayneL · 27 October 2006

FYI

An interesting article in news.com.au on the matter.

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