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A bit off the current topic. Is there any value at all in religion? Or is the whole thing perverted?

If you can grok with the following passage, try the wikipedia page on self-enquiry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-enquiry#Not_.E2.80.98I_am_Brahman.E2.80.99


What is the "I AM"?

418. The only true and full Awareness is
Awareness of Awareness.
Until Awareness is Awareness of itself,
it knows no peace at all.

432. Is it not because you are yourself Awareness,
that you now perceive this universe?
If you observe Awareness steadily,
this Awareness as Teacher, will reveal the Truth.

52. If mind turned towards Awareness and concentrating on Awareness,
seeks the Self, the world made up of ether and other elements is real, as all things are Awareness,
the one sole substance of true Being.

435. True natural Awareness, which does not go after alien objects, is the Heart.
Since actionless Awareness shines as real Being,
its joy consists in concentration on itself.

742. In the Self, he stands firm fixed who dwells
and truly meditates on himself as pure awareness.
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Gringotts Bank said:
A bit off the current topic. Is there any value at all in religion?
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Yes, absolutely. It has been an extremely important part of human development. It had kept law and order in check for much of the past 3000 years. And, for a very, very large proportion of the population still is a crux. But now we know that the Earth is not the centre of the Universe, God/s are myth to explain the unexplainable and praying to Saints is sheer craziness, we should now move on.

I think your quote is more New Age Philosophy than religion...
 
sydboy007 said:
I knew a few ex Edmund Rice College boys and the stories they told of the behaviour of the male staff there was shocking. Quite few devoutly Catholic Italian families sent their boys there, so when ever things got reported the families were basically brow beaten into silence.

I cannot understand how a parent could let someone else tell them what to do when their child's safety is at risk.
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+1

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kennas said:
Yes, absolutely. It has been an extremely important part of human development. It had kept law and order in check for much of the past 3000 years. And, for a very, very large proportion of the population still is a crux. But now we know that the Earth is not the centre of the Universe, God/s are myth to explain the unexplainable and praying to Saints is sheer craziness, we should now move on.

I think your quote is more New Age Philosophy than religion...
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You make an important point, kennas:
Belief in god/s has enabled an increasingly dense population to live together, by and large, without too much friction. Religion has supported the status quo, kept priests and rulers in relatively safe business, and acted as a lubricant inside tribal societies. Indications are for belief in ficticious "Overlords" to be much older than 3000 years; I would add at least another zero, and if you consider our very own Rainbow Serpent, you'll probably agree.

I also agree that "we should move on" - but who are "We"? The contributors to this thread may be enlightened enough not to need that crutch. But even in "civilised" societies, you will find large population groups, who lack such kind of enlightenment and self-discipline: they definitely benefit from a firm belief, implanted into their brains at early childhood, that there is an omniscient Big Bozo out there, who, like Santa, makes notes of their every deed and misdeed, and ensures "what goes around, comes around."

The rot set in when a few tribes in the Middle East developed an alphabet and started to write down their version, claiming all kind of BS allegedly revealed from Highest Authority. Even that wouldn't matter much, had these "Religions of The Book" not also included strict orders to adhere to The One Faith and fight to the death everybody with different ideas. One of those three has grown up and added tolerance of other faiths to its catechism. The problem is: Tolerance works only, if both sides adhere to the principle of tolerance. There can be no tolerant relationship where one side is all-forgiving; the other, all-destroying.
 
I have been saying now for many months, the Muslims want World domination and they are doing it by infiltration of the Western World and the use of terrorism in third world countries by acts of genocide.

The illegal boat people landing on our shores are almost 100% Muslim. They are setting up their own Muslim schools and are brainwashing their kids with the Quran 5 tiimes per day.Those children are having it instilled into their brains that if you are not a Muslim you must be a Christian or an infidel and the latter two must be eliminated.

What will Australia be like in 20 to 30 years time if we don't stop this infiltration?



Unbelievable!

What you see and learn here, you will never see in the official medias...Read and pass on!!

Statement by Father Juan Carlos Martos cmf
Secretariat of PV Clarettiani Missionaries


"This is a brutal example of how far the struggle between muslims and catholics in Nigeria has reached.
Muslims are determined to impose their 'religion' all over Africa as well as in other continents and countries
of the world. Islam has but one goal: rule the world at any cost!"

"And where are the International Human Rights Organizations?
Christians are burnt alive in Nigeria: a horrific Holocaust right in front of International indifference!
As denounced by Father Juan Carlos Martos, on behalf of the Missionari Clarettiani, via del Sacro Cuore
di Maria, Rome, Italy."

"By publishing this graphic document on Facebook, I have intended to make the world aware of certain
terrible events totally ignored or minimized by the mainstream media; an authentic genocide so cruel and
inhuman only comparable with the most hateful and vile acts in the nazi extermination camps."

"To my great surprise, Facebook has criticized me for the publication of this graphic document as a proof
of the Holocaust that Christians have been suffering in Nigeria in the last ten years. According to Facebook's
Security policy of the 'social' Network, this photo has been classified as 'pornographic', 'violent' or 'inappropriate'
and hence I was disallowed to publish any picture for a week. And I was threatened drastic measures if I insist
publishing any document that prove the terrible violations of Human Rights in Nigeria.
This attitude by the (Spanish) Facebook Management is an attack to the freedom of expression as much as a
shameful insult to the 500 victims (only in this horrible episode) slaughtered by islamic terror only for being christian."

"I thought that this social network, originated in the United States, would not bend its knees in front of terror.
Especially, when still healing their wounds suffered in the gruesome 9/11 attack, just as our own 3/11 at Madrid railway
station, all innocent victims of the wild fury and insanity of islamic terror."

"This seems even more unacceptable in Spain, a Democratic state, where the rights of opinion, expression and religion
are guaranteed by the Constitution (Art. 16 and 20), if there is an attempt to limit such rights, let alone through threats and
coercion thus weakening their freedom of expression by condemning as "inappropriate" a graphic document
(not a photomontage) which reflects a brutal reality in all its crudeness."

"Contrarily, the Administrators of Facebook Spain should welcome this public protest advocating that such a barbarian
act will never be replicated and that its perpetrators will be brought to justice. This is a right and duty of every citizen:
a service to society, ultimate goal, I feel, of any network that defines itself as 'social'."

"Regrettably, if the murders continue, this is greatly because truth is always hidden to the sovereign people, so that they
may not be aware and 'disdained' by it: complicit silence by the mainstream media leads to the indifference of the
international political community facing this unspeakable Holocaust! Let alone the cowardice already rooted in the western
world facing the islamic terror. A consequence of the stupid "Alliance of civilizations": another regrettable incident of our former Prime Minister Rodriguez Zapatero."

"Can you imagine the reaction of the islamic terrorist organization in the (impossible) case of a massacre of muslims in
a mosque, by the hands of christian terrorists? And how widely would our media cover and condemn the crime and the
criminals??"

"Therefore, from this modest blog, I ask a favor from all people who are reading me: please distribute this photo and its comments
using all the media you have. If only for commemorating these martyrs since, unfortunately, Facebook seems to be on the side of
the executioners by preventing the publication of such tragic events."

Juan Carlos Martos cmf Segretariato di PVMissionari ClarettianiVia Sacro Cuore à Maria-500197-Rome





MAN'S INHUMANITY TO MAN OR
SHOULD IT BE ISLAM'S INHUMANITY TO INFIDELS? (ANY OTHER HUMANS)
 
Viva La France!


France to deport 'radical foreign imams'


French Interior Minister Manuel Valls has said that Paris is set to deport a string of radical religious imams as part of a fight against "global jihadism".

"Several radical foreign preachers will be expelled in the coming days," Valls told a Brussels conference called to tackle extremism in Europe on Tuesday, without identifying any of the individuals concerned.

"I don't confuse this radical Islam with the Islam of France but there is a religious environment, there are Salafist groupings, who are involved in a political process, whose aim is to monopolise cultural associations, the schooling system," he added.

"We will expel all these imams, all these foreign preachers who denigrate women, who hold views that run counter to our values and who say there is a need to combat France.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/2013129152640888716.html
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noco said:
Viva La France!
+1. I agree and it is time for Australia to do the same.
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Apart from the minor issue that it's "Vive La France", I agree with the sentiment too.
Strange that Australia hasn't done so a long time ago. Wasn't there a clause in the visa conditions about the person having to be "of good character"?
And new citizens have to swear allegiance to the Commonwealth of Australia before they're granted the privilege. If there isn't a clause covering "obtaining citizenship by deceit" or perjury, there definitely should be.
 
Sickening....

http://english.ahram.org.eg/News/63885.aspx

Saudi preacher gets off light for raping, killing daughter

A Saudi preacher who raped his five-year-old daughter and tortured her to death has been sentenced to pay "blood money" to the mother after having served a short jail term, activists said on Saturday.
Lamia al-Ghamdi was admitted to hospital on December 25, 2011 with multiple injuries, including a crushed skull, broken ribs and left arm, extensive bruising and burns, the activists said. She died last October 22.

Fayhan al-Ghamdi, an Islamic preacher and regular guest on Muslim television networks, confessed to having used cables and a cane to inflict the injuries, the activists from the group "Women to Drive" said in a statement.

They said the father had doubted Lama's virginity and had her checked up by a medic.

Randa al-Kaleeb, a social worker from the hospital where Lama was admitted, said the girl's back was broken and that she had been raped "everywhere", according to the group.

According to the victim's mother, hospital staff told her that her "child's rectum had been torn open and the abuser had attempted to burn it closed."

The activists said that the judge had ruled the prosecution could only seek "blood money (compensation for the next of kin under Islamic law) and the time the defendant had served in prison since Lama's death suffices as punishment."

Three Saudi activists, including Manal al-Sharif, have raised objections to the ruling.

The ruling is based on Islamic laws that a father cannot be executed for murdering his children, nor can husbands be executed for murdering their wives, activists said.
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See that last one. Islamic Law. What a load of BS. Saudi Arabia = Stone Age Idiots

Some other Links
BBC
AFP
 
DB008 said:
Sickening....
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Thats probably too shocking to post here, women and all, it's a sick world out there and sometimes it's traumatising just to hear about it.
I hope they take an interest in nuclear bombs over there and connect the wrong wires and blow the place completely off the map.
 
MrBurns said:
Thats probably too shocking to post here, women and all, it's a sick world out there and sometimes it's traumatising just to hear about it.
I hope they take an interest in nuclear bombs over there and connect the wrong wires and blow the place completely off the map.
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99% of the world will not put up with this....

Its probably been happening for centuries. Now with the world a smaller place, due to the internet and global communication, they cannot keep their sick and bent religious beliefs a secret anymore...

May they all burn in hell.:2twocents

CanOz
 
MrBurns said:
Thats probably too shocking to post here, women and all, it's a sick world out there and sometimes it's traumatising just to hear about it.
I hope they take an interest in nuclear bombs over there and connect the wrong wires and blow the place completely off the map.
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Maybe.

But we live in the real world and should know what is happening out there.

Worst part. USA are major allies with the Saudis.
 
DB008 said:
Maybe.

But we live in the real world and should know what is happening out there.

Worst part. USA are major allies with the Saudis.
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It's hard to understand world politics and sometimes you just shake your head and walk away.
 
DB008 said:
Sickening....
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Where are the Islamic 'moderates' criticising this?

You know, the ones who say Islam is all good and loving and peaceful, etc, etc,

Where are they?

Why aren't they taking control of this?

:confused:

:banghead:

If the general populace of our Muslim society does not rise up against this, they will be included with them.

Stand up 'moderate' Islam!

Before you're caught up with the psychos.
 
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