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The Agony and Ecstasy of God's path
Nicholas Saunders



A Benedictine monk explained to me that "Ecstasy opens up a direct link between myself and God". He had only taken Ecstasy with a small group of like-minded people in pursuit of prayer. "Ecstasy has the capacity to put one on the right path to divine union... It should not be used unless one is really searching for God."

Prayer, he said, is communication with God, but tends to be blocked by the internal dialogue, distractions and losing faith in oneself. Using Ecstasy while trying to pray removes these obstacles and, although he only uses Ecstasy two or three times a year, the experience makes prayer easier at other times and has provided him with valuable insights such as "a very deep comprehension of divine passion".

Most religious leaders are strongly opposed to the use of drugs, preaching that drugs can be misleading or damage the psyche, destroying the benefits of years of meditation or prayer. However, besides the Benedictine I also interviewed a rabbi and two monks from different Zen disciplines who believe that Ecstasy is a valid tool for teaching and mystical experience. All four have written religious works, three teach their religion and two are abbots, but none has revealed their use of Ecstasy in public.

The Rinzai Zen monk felt that Ecstasy had genuinely helped him on his rise to becoming an abbot. He had experimented over the years, and concluded that it was most effective on the second day of a seven-day meditation, as there was a danger of becoming distracted by blissful sensations.

The Soto Zen monk also maintains that drugs like Ecstasy can help with meditation: "Being still when taking MDMA helps you to know how to sit, as it provides you with experiential knowledge", he said, adding that the great majority of his students had sought his teaching as a result of a drug induced experience, and he was sure that the same was true of most schools of meditation in the West.

But is it a good way to learn? "It is like a medicine, a wonderful tool for teaching. For example, I had a very keen student who never succeeded in meditation until Ecstasy removed the block caused by his own effort when trying to meditate. That one experience helped him to make fast progress, and he has since been ordained a monk."

Learning to meditate can be difficult, he explained, because the student only occasionally has glimpses of the goal, and it is easy to lose faith and doubt whether the goal actually exists -- or if it is possible to achieve: "It is like a climber walking in the mountains", he said, "lost in the fog and unable to see the peak he has set out to climb. All of a sudden the fog clears and he experiences the reality of the peak, and gains a sense of direction. Even though the fog moves in again and it's still a long, hard climb, this glimpse is usually an enormous help and encouragement."

The rabbi had positive views about youth drug use. "Traditional religions have lost the ability to provide their followers with mystical experiences. Instead, young people are far more likely to have such experiences while on LSD or Ecstasy."

Most religious leaders, he said, were against the use of drugs because of their own ignorance. "If priests really want to understand young people", he said, "they should take drugs themselves. Then they would learn that certain drugs can produce the same quality and potential value as other mystical experiences."

Some people use Ecstasy for religious rituals. A group of eight graduating seniors from Harvard Divinity School held a non-sectarian ritual earlier this year using Ecstasy which they called 'The Harvard Agape'.

"The hymn done and the bell rung, the liturgy was open to the group... Indeed it was am amazing grace, that grace that passes all understanding. I was moved; I was in communion with everyone else in the room. It was as if, at that moment, all barriers had come down, all suffering had ended, all pain had been relieved, all joys had been known. I forgave the offences I had suffered and was forgiven for my sins. I was healed. I was strengthened. I was redeemed..."

As I was interviewing the monks I could not help but be impressed how different was their experience of Ecstasy to my own, even though I had gone out of my way to try to explore every aspect of the drug. They were so focused towards the divine as to appear slightly naive, and indeed the Benedictine simply could not comprehend the mood experienced by party goers on Ecstasy. He could only see it as sacriligious. My interviews confirmed a quality of Ecstasy that is seldom acknowledged: it enables the user to have deeper and more wholehearted experiences, but the type of experience depends on their underlying concerns. As one who has experienced sensuous delights, exhilaration, insights into relationships and glimpsed my deep-seated neurosis under the influence of the drug -- but never mystical enlightenment -- these men's accounts were testimony to their single minded devotion -- and my own lack of it.


Article by Nicholas Saunders published in The Guardian, 29/7/95, edited from the book Ecstasy and the Dance Culture.
 
Crazy

Nothings changed, has it?

Who are we kidding???

This is going to be a MAJOR problem/issue for Australia in the coming years.




And what did some of the protestors receive? Community service....what a joke.


I wonder when the first Sharia Law Courts in Sydney will become official?

http://www.news.com.au/national-old/sharia-law-applied-secretly-in-sydney/story-e6frfkvr-1226057896078

The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils also asked the Government to fund halal and kosher meat outlets and even Muslim schools and for state schools to have special sports uniforms for female Muslim students.

"If the Government and politicians cannot recognise this as essential, it should no longer accuse the Australian Muslim community of intentionally living in enclaves," the submission said.



Next rally, will we see some of these placards, like they have in the U.K. ????


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Dear Religion,

Take note

This week I safely dropped a man from space while you shot a child in the head for wanting to go to school.

Regards

Science
 
POT.KETTLE.BLACK. ???????


http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i-U3kL69gamwc1wTJ1EBnEBOWDeQ?docId=CNG.f40ca48464c5bfc97dc0dc3143e7f485.d1

Saudi king urges UN action against religious insults

"The interconfessional dialogue centre which we had announced in Mecca does not necessarily mean reaching agreements on the matters of belief, but it aims at reaching solutions to divisions and implementing co-existance among sects," he added.

Translation: Don't worry about us arguing amongst ourselves (Muslims can't agree/unite), you are still not allowed to judge us but we are allowed to impose our view onto you.

Crazy.
 
Violence....again....

Mohamed Hammami, Radical Tunisian Imam, Expelled From France

PARIS -- France says it has deported a radical Muslim preacher known for his anti-Semitic speeches and calls for violent holy war.

Mohamed Hammami, who preached at the Omar Mosque in Paris, was expelled to his home country of Tunisia on Wednesday.

France's Interior Ministry said in a statement that Hammami was expelled for his "deliberate, repeated and unacceptable provocations," which constitute a threat to France's society and security.

The ministry says in addition to his anti-Semitic speeches and calls for holy war, Hammami also drew condemnation over his defense of violence towards women.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/31/mohamed-hammami-expelled_n_2051923.html
 
Speechless, just speechless!!!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/girl-15-killed-with-acid-for-talking-to-boy-20121102-28nnz.html

A mother and father in Pakistan-administered Kashmir have killed their 15-year-old daughter by dousing her with acid after seeing her talking to a young man, police say.

I fret over cruelty to animals bur cruelty to humans is just as bad.

Frighteningly there are sections of the "human" race that aren't human at all.

It's has nothing to do with ecucation, if you can do that to someone there's something in you thats missing, the human gene.
 
Whaaaaaat.................and the nutters come out in blazing glory

Didn't know where to put this one, in this thread or the 'frankenstorm' thread.....

Muslims claim that hurricane sandy formed the Arabic word Allah. SUBHANALLAH SUBHANALLAH SUBHANALLAH!!

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Speechless, just speechless!!!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/girl-15-killed-with-acid-for-talking-to-boy-20121102-28nnz.html

A mother and father in Pakistan-administered Kashmir have killed their 15-year-old daughter by dousing her with acid after seeing her talking to a young man, police say.

Yeah, seems like a rabbit hole....

As much as a I whinge and b!tch about our country (mainly leadership issues), we truly live in the best country in the world!

Pakistani Taliban target female students with acid attack

Islamabad, Pakistan (CNN) -- It's the latest cruel tactic in the Pakistani Taliban's battle to stop girls and women from getting an education: acid thrown in their faces to scar them for life and deter others from following in their footsteps.

A doctor who treated the victims of an acid attack on a college van in the city of Parachinar in northern Pakistan last month told CNN that two girls had been left with severe burns to their faces.

The Pakistani Taliban have taken responsibility for the attack in threatening pamphlets distributed around the city. They also warn local girls against going to school, Dr. Shaban Ali said.

"We will never allow the girls of this area to go and get a Western education," said Qari Muhavia, the local Pakistani Taliban leader, when contacted by CNN by telephone.

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/03/world/asia/pakistan-acid-attack/index.html?sr=reddit
 
Quote Originally Posted by DB008 View Post
As much as a I whinge and b!tch about our country (mainly leadership issues), we truly live in the best country in the world!
I agree.

So do I;

but for that status to continue, it is essential that our leadership keeps the nutters out.
 
So do I;

but for that status to continue, it is essential that our leadership keeps the nutters out.

Once again......I agree.

Whats more when a leader appears that can do this without appearing to be a nutter themselves the'll have my vote, this issue is probably more important than anything else as without it ...everything else is ruined.
 
I fret over cruelty to animals bur cruelty to humans is just as bad.

Frighteningly there are sections of the "human" race that aren't human at all.

It's has nothing to do with ecucation, if you can do that to someone there's something in you thats missing, the human gene.

Have to disagree here, it has everything to do with education.

the only education these poor bugg rs do receive is religion. Which is "belief" as in fairy tales and a far cry from any informed education.
 
Have to disagree here, it has everything to do with education.

the only education these poor bugg rs do receive is religion. Which is "belief" as in fairy tales and a far cry from any informed education.

Which is precisely the reason why the Taliban MCP's pour acid over girls that want to learn more than regurgitated "fairy tales".
The pen may be mightier than the sword, but is apparently no match for acid spraying perverts.
 
Jordan Islamists blast Halloween party as 'Satanic'

(AFP) – 1 day ago

AMMAN ”” Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood on Saturday condemned Halloween celebrations held in an Amman cafe as "Satanic" and homosexual, while a newspaper reported acts of vandalism at the party.

"We watched with disgust and shame last night (Friday) homosexual and Satanic rituals in an Amman cafe," the Brotherhood said in a statement on its website.

"This presents a challenge to the values of the Jordanian people and their Arab and Muslim identity, as well as a violation of religious laws," it added.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i9iCHeytNR0WzEl5aTY1oK4k3a4w?docId=CNG.33b25e68ec1c209c13813d8d6b6a817f.d1
 
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