Religion IS crazy!

2012 London Olympic games were proclaimed as success that all participating countries had female representative.

Well all good, but should Islamic country win to host games, isn’t it precursor of what all females will be expected to wear?

Would rather not see then see what I saw.

2028 might be the first one over there, if they put their hand up and win.

Happy said:

2012 London Olympic games were proclaimed as success that all participating countries had female representative.

Well all good, but should Islamic country win to host games, isn’t it precursor of what all females will be expected to wear?

Would rather not see then see what I saw.

2028 might be the first one over there, if they put their hand up and win.

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It'll never happen.
Just imagine what they'd do with someone like Usain Bolt: Did you see him draw a cross and have a quiet chat with his Boss "up there"? Some Security guard would shoot him on sight!

That aside, all lengthy competitions (Marathon, Ironman, ...) would have to be interrupted because it's time to stick bum into air for prayers.
Forget Beach Volleyball too - who'd want to play in 40 degree heat fully covered in a burqa; coming to think of it, who'd want to watch?

All female track and field, swimming, diving and synchronised swimming would be a no-no too....

pixel said:

It'll never happen.
Just imagine what they'd do with someone like Usain Bolt: Did you see him draw a cross and have a quiet chat with his Boss "up there"? Some Security guard would shoot him on sight!

That aside, all lengthy competitions (Marathon, Ironman, ...) would have to be interrupted because it's time to stick bum into air for prayers.
Forget Beach Volleyball too - who'd want to play in 40 degree heat fully covered in a burqa; coming to think of it, who'd want to watch?

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Well, the are making an effort, maybe in a 1000 years time they might be able to host an Olympic games.


Saudi Arabia's female Olympians face cold return home

Wodjan Ali Seraj Abdulrahim Shahrkhani returns to Saudi Arabia as the first woman to represent the Kingdom in judo, but while her participation has been celebrated globally the domestic reaction to her accomplishment has ranged from lukewarm to openly hostile. Her father, a judo referee who said he wanted his daughter to make "new history for Saudi's women," is reportedly incensed at conservative Saudis who showered her with racial slurs on Twitter and called her a “prostitute” for participating.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/the-daily-beast/9457770/Saudi-Arabias-female-Olympians-face-cold-return-home.html

DB008 said:

Well, the are making an effort, maybe in a 1000 years time they might be able to host an Olympic games.

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Well, I doubt it;
In the past 13 centuries, Islamic countries have gone backwards from initially being the leaders in science, arts, liberal thinking, education, commerce... to the exact opposite, where radicals blow up and suppress everything from century-old monuments, statues, women's schooling, and fair trade.
If that trend continues - and as a Chartist, I can't see any indication of a reversal - the moron fundamentalists will outbreed the moderate Islamists and Westerners alike, dragging humanity back to poverty and desert life. That may even take much less than 1000 years.

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the moron fundamentalists will outbreed the moderate Islamists and Westerners alike, dragging humanity back to poverty and desert life. That may even take much less than 1000 years.

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Religion of all forms is most certainly holding back the huge amounts of potential the human race has at it's fingertips. Can't see it changing any time soon. One step forward 4 steps back.

If 'god' didn't want certain things to be achieved, then they would not be able to be achieved.

What Century is this from??

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-20/pakistani-girl-with-down-syndrome-accused-of-blasphemy/4209160

I don't even....

DB008 said:

I don't even....

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Arab Muslims seem to need strict rules to protect their women, from themselves. At some point in history the Arab culture decided that enough was enough and they had to cover up their women because they couldn't keep their willies in their pocket. From the age of 6 it seems. We have customary laws and a culture that doesn't permit us to even think like that until girls well pass puberty. Legal age is 16 isn't it? Although, it seems 14 year olds are not uncommon. Anyone checking out a six year old in our culture is seriously warped and needs incarceration. The history of women covering up in Arabia is not about Islam, it's about culture foremost. Islam as a religion simply implemented rules into the Koran that were the laws of the day. They were relevant in the year 500s. Since Arabia is living in the 500s, it's still relevant. They will still be living in the 500s once the oil runs out. Troubling.

Exclusive Brethren GP banned for prescribing gay 'cure'

A SYDNEY doctor who is a member of the Exclusive Brethren Christian sect has been banned from practising as a GP after he prescribed chemical castration to a young man who sought a ''cure'' for homosexuality.

Mark Christopher James Craddock, 75, wrote the 18-year-old patient a script for the anti-androgen therapy cyproterone acetate (Cyprostat) during a 10-minute consultation in his home in February 2008.

The patient, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was at the time a member of the Exclusive Brethren church.

In a letter of complaint to the Health Care Complaints Commission, the patient said when, at the age of 18 he came out as gay, a church leader told him, ''there's medication you can go on''. ''He recommended that I speak to Dr Craddock on the matter with a view to my being placed on medication to help me with my 'problem','' the New Zealand resident said.

Dr Craddock gave him a prescription for Cyprostat as well as five repeats. The drug, which lowers libido by reducing the amount of testosterone, is used to treat prostate cancer and severe male sexual disorders and sexual deviation.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/exclusive...ng-gay-cure-20120904-25cnu.html#ixzz25h4LE0DQ

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Here we go...(sorry, blog only)

This is an ‘Islamic’ republic: You can’t sit next to your wife!
http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/13812/this-is-an-islamic-republic-you-cant-sit-next-to-your-wife/

This is scary stuff, really, if these elements ever infiltrated our society it would be the end of life as we know it.

US diplomats targeted amid fury over 'anti-Islam' film

Libyan militiamen reportedly launched a deadly attack on a US consulate building in Benghazi this morning, just hours after thousands of Egyptian protesters attacked the US embassy in Cairo in anger over a film deemed to insult the Prophet Mohammed.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-12/egyptian-protesters-tear-down-us-flag/4256040

MrBurns said:

This is scary stuff, really, if these elements ever infiltrated our society it would be the end of life as we know it.



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-12/egyptian-protesters-tear-down-us-flag/4256040

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Religion of peace hey?
Who are they kidding?

US ambassador, consul among 4 killed in militia attack on Benghazi consulate

The White House confirmed the killing of the US ambassador to Libya and three other Americans in an attack by local militia on the American consulate in Benghazi. President Obama has condemned the attack.

Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other consulate employees were reportedly killed on Tuesday during clashes between armed militia members and army soldiers, as a mob stormed the compound.

The ambassador was allegedly seriously injured by attack on his car, and may have died from suffocation due to a fire, the BBC reported. He and other embassy employees were attacked after they went to the consulate to try to evacuate the building, the AP reported.

Eighteen other Americans were injured during the attack, Al-Sharif said.

The violence was part of a protest against an American amateur film “Innocence of Muslims” deemed offensive to the Prophet Muhammad. A similar incident took place in Cairo, Egypt’s capital.

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I think it's quite obvious that, by and large, religions have failed. There's 73 million posts on the failures in this thread!

But what about those (very few) religious individuals who have "seen the light"? And what of the others throughout history who have also "seen the light", using their own non-religious methods? There's quite a few in the non-religious category, you know.

This is a short video on what "seeing the light" actually means (aka enlightenment in eastern traditions). It takes Plato's famous "Allegory of the Cave" and animates it, with quite a good description. The voice over guy does have a bit of a spooky voice, so if spooky voices and music frighten you, you should definitely not watch this.

If you were to take all the classical religious texts, sift out all the horse **** (heaps of it), then condense it down, this is what you'd be left with. Something close to this...

http://www.objectivistfilmbulletin.com/platoscave.html

This is just sheer madness, I cant see anyway the West and the Muslim comunity can live together if these atitudes underly their thinking -

The bodies of four Americans killed in anti-US protests have returned to US soil as violent demonstrations continue to rage across the Muslim world.

The protests broke out after Friday prayers, when Muslims emerged from mosques to voice their anger at the film made in the United States that ridicules the Prophet Mohammed and belittles the religion he founded.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-15/at-least-six-dead-as-anti-us-rage-spreads/4263020

Protesters broke in to the US embassy in Yemen's capital overnight as anger over a low-budget US film which mocks Islam and the Prophet Mohammed swept the Muslim world.

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-13/anti-us-protests-spread-across-the-middle-east/4260242

MrBurns said:

This is just sheer madness, I can't see anyway the West and the Muslim community can live together if these atitudes underly their thinking

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MrBurns, it won't change. Not allowed to.

Insulting Islam

Question:
Does Islam command that those who insult the religion should be put to death?
Summary Answer:
Under Sharia, those who insult Muhammad or Allah are to be put to death. So are those who desecrate the Qur'an, or commit other acts of blasphemy. This tradition began with Muhammad, as recorded in the Hadith and by his biographers. There is also a Qur'anic basis for it.

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The Qur'an:

• Qur'an (6:93) - "Who can be more wicked than one who inventeth a lie against Allah?" (Apparently not the adulterer or others for whom death is proscribed).
• Qur'an (33:57) - "Lo! those who malign Allah and His messenger, Allah hath cursed them in this world and the Hereafter, and hath prepared for them the doom of the disdained"
• Qur'an (33:61) - [continues from above] "Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter."

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Democracy

Question:
Is Islam compatible with democracy?
Summary Answer:
Islamic law is absolutely incompatible with democracy. It is a theocratic system with Allah alone at its head. Allah's law is interpreted by a ruling body of clerics. There is no room for a secular political system in which all people are treated as equals.

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The Qur'an:

• Qur'an (33:36) - "It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision."
• Qur'an (45:21) - "What! Do those who seek after evil ways think that We shall hold them equal with those who believe and do righteous deeds,- that equal will be their life and their death? Ill is the judgment that they make." Unbelievers are not equal to Muslims. This is dutifully reflected in Islamic law.
• Qur'an (39:9) - "Are those who know equal to those who know not?"
• Qur'an (4:141) - "...And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers." This is at odds with democracy, which allows anyone to serve in a position of power over others regardless of religious belief.
• Qur'an (63:8) - "...might (power) belongeth to Allah and to His messenger and to the believers;" ie. not to anyone else.
• Qur'an (5:49) - "So judge between them by that which Allah hath revealed, and follow not their desires, but beware of them lest they seduce thee from some part of that which Allah hath revealed unto thee" Allah's Qur'an takes priority over the desires of the people. A democratic nation is by nature one that is not governed by Islamic law, meaning that a Muslim citizen would have divided loyalty. It's clear from this verse which side he must choose.
• Qur'an (4:123) - "Not your desires, nor those of the People of the Book (can prevail): whoever works evil, will be requited accordingly. Nor will he find, besides Allah, any protector or helper."
• Qur'an (4:59) - "O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you..." Obedience is strictly limited to a government drawn from believers, not from the broader community. This verse has also been used to justify submission to autocratic rule, however oppressive it may by. As an Arab tradition put is: "tyranny is better than anarchy."

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Gringotts Bank said:

http://www.objectivistfilmbulletin.com/platoscave.html

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I just watched that video again and cringed! It's too open to misinterpretation and has an unfortunate superior, nose-in-the-air feel to it.

Here's my interpretation of Plato's cave:

--Reality as we take it is nothing more than a projection of the mind.
--The "prisoner" is where we are, us ordinary people.
--We take the projections (the shadows) to be real.
--The shadows are the objects and experiences in our lives, eg. this keyboard, this house, this body, this sensation, this mood, those clouds... everything.
--Certain people throughout history have taken the backwards step and looked at *the thing that is looking*.
--The *thing that is looking* is consciousness itself (analogy = 'the light', or the 'light of consciousness')
--Knowing consciousness itself transforms the way you perceive the world... completely. Everything is seen as one thing. There is no 'other'. There is no God. There is no 'you'. 'You' dies (aka ego death), while the body continues to live...and so there is no suffering. If you want to call that heaven, you can, but it's not a place. All these things - heaven, hell, good and bad - are projections of the mind and have no intrinsic reality.
--The cave is not a place. There is no heaven to climb into.
--You don't become enlightened by being 'good'. Goodness is not a prerequisite. 'Sinning' does not prevent enlightenment. It's just that 'sinning' happens more frequently in people who are heavily chained... so people have confused cause and effect there.
--Enlightenment happens gradually as attention is turned from the shadows (what we call reality) back on itself, ie. consciousness watching consciousness. Then it starts to know itself. This is meditation (or contemplative prayer in christianity).
--There are myriad stages and symptoms of this transformation, one of them being seeing lights, hearing angels sing and so on. People undergoing this transformation often take these things to be real, but they are just remnants of mind trying to trick you once again. Angels, demons and elephant goddesses are just as real as the shadows, which is why people are so goddamned convinced when they have seen something 'real' and special...but it's just another slide on the projector. It's a slide most people wouldn't see unless they took acid, but it's still just a slide.

Anyway.... Plato's cave. Good stuff.

MrBurns said:

This is just sheer madness, I cant see anyway the West and the Muslim comunity can live together if these atitudes underly their thinking

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Today in Sydney


Protest over 'insulting film' turns ugly

Police use pepper spray on protesters in Sydney at the US consulate

POLICE have fired pepper spray at protesters in the Sydney CBD during a violent anti-US rally spurred by an internet video mocking Islam.

Officers - who have been showered with projectiles, including rocks, water bottles and scraps of wood gathered from nearby work sites - have already made several arrests and at least one person has been taken to hospital with a head injury.

Police said they were expecting the protest, which has clogged traffic through the city, to continue throughout the night.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/police-use-pepper-spray-on-protesters-in-sydney-at-the-us-consulate/story-fndo4bst-1226474744811



I think that this sums it up...

"People were murdered and many were killed in riots all over the world because of a joke... about someone's imaginary friend" - Jimmy Carr.

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Great. Just what we need. A bunch of misguided idiots running around saying anyone who doesn't agree with their pre-Cupernican view of the world should be beheaded.

This is a secular society, if they don't like it, leave.

W...T...F...?????

Sydney protesters call for beheadings

In Sydney, shoppers looked on in surprise as protesters, including children, shouted "Down, down USA" and waved banners such as "Behead all those who insult the prophet".
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/sydney-protesters-call-for-beheadings/story-e6frg6nf-1226474756501

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Umm....if l walked around with a 'Behead those who insult Bugs Bunny', banner/placard , l'd get arrested and thrown in the nut house. Aren't these people inciting terrorism one way or another?

This is crazy.