Reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum

Julia · 30 July 2010

professor_frink said:
Hi Julia, I know what you mean here, if you log in and don't stay long, then come back an hour later, then the new posts section won't give you a complete list of what you haven't read. An easy way around this is to go to the 'quicklinks' section (to the right of the new posts button) and click on 'today's posts', this will give you a list similar to the one generated by the new posts button, but will incorporate every post for the past 24 hours, whether you've already read it or not.

Hope this helps

Ah, thank you indeed, Prof Frink. That's very happy-making.

Agentm said:
totally disagree, and waters are calm and tranquil with the riff raff chatter gone.. at last!!!

the balance should be on stock threads, its a stock forum..

all the character of the general chat forum remains just as it always was,, the forum is still there, but now its where it should be, a sub folder for time wasters,,

having the natter of garbage opinions on schapelle, or some bushfire or crappy football club is irrelevant to the majority..

How do you know what the majority enjoys? Have you run a survey to establish this?

who care what a handful of time wasters on a sub folder general chat forum think.. its all just ego trips for the volume posters.. you can still go there and post on them all like, and all you get there is the usual suspects with opinionated views blasting other usual suspect forums members..

There may well be some trivial threads, but no one is asking you to read them. I don't find it hard to just ignore them.
And, frankly, as someone who values the exchange of political views, I find your attitude rude and offensive.

nioka said:
Try CER for example. Why:
1. CER and CNP are my most active stock this week.
2. News was released this week that is vital to knowing about the companies an dtheir prospects.
3 No posts on ASF since July 22 for CER.
4. Posts on another forum in that time 55

Sample of some posts

"How come CNP ended up going 5% up while CER went in reverse gear?"

1. CNP had fallen more than CER.
2. CNP has more to gain because it has a lot more to lose than CER. CER debt situation regarding timetables for refinancing was not as critical as that for CNP.
3. CNP needed to buy more time to avoid dilution so getting that extension was of more value to CNP than to CER.CER faces no dilution at this stage.
4. Possibly because of 1,2 and 3 there were some selling CER and returning to CNP including some day traders.
5. CER holders were disappointed that there was no progress towards separation mentioned. I was.
All the above are just my opinions but hopefully they are informed ones.

Nioka, no doubt they are indeed informed opinions, as obviously you have taken a strong interest in CNP and CER.
But they are stocks with zero appeal to me, and I'd imagine, to many others, so I don't really want to be told I should be taking an interest in them and putting up posts just to make you happy.

nunthewiser · 30 July 2010

Timmy said:
Thats cause you are a **** *** ***** *** **** ***** *****.

I resemble that comment.

I have reported that personal attack to a moderator and you assured me you have dealt with it severely

ok i will now resume my mature and serious postings and leave the joking around and off topic comments to others

Timmy · 30 July 2010

Julia said:
Nioka, no doubt they are indeed informed opinions, as obviously you have taken a strong interest in CNP and CER.
But they are stocks with zero appeal to me, and I'd imagine, to many others, so I don't really want to be told I should be taking an interest in them and putting up posts just to make you happy.

I know you are directing this at nioka, but I will stick my big head in (as usual). I think all nioka is asking is for more input on the stocks and markets that do you interest you. You are a regular contributor to non-General Chat threads so I imagine his comments are not directed to you at all (nioka will correct me if I am wrong).

From my perspective, the inputs I have seen across the forum (and not just on stock threads, since my interests lie in futures) since nioka started this thread have been very positive. Would anyone agree with this impression?

Joe Blow · 30 July 2010

I would like to urge everyone to express their feedback in a respectful way. Not pointing fingers here, just trying to keep things civil and constructive.

I am taking on board all feedback that has been posted and I am very grateful to everyone for sharing their opinions. It is great food for thought. Please keep it coming!

However, there is one very important thing I should mention at this point. ASF as everyone knows it will only be around for another few weeks or so. There are some very big changes in store that have been in development behind the scenes for quite some time. I'm not going to elaborate much further right now but for those who have been waiting for better mobile device (iPhone, BlackBerry etc.) and Facebook integration, it is coming soon. I will announce more details when we are a little closer to launching ASF Mark III.

nioka · 30 July 2010

Julia said:
Nioka, no doubt they are indeed informed opinions, as obviously you have taken a strong interest in CNP and CER.
But they are stocks with zero appeal to me, and I'd imagine, to many others, so I don't really want to be told I should be taking an interest in them and putting up posts just to make you happy.

Julia,
Heaven forbid that anyone should be told what they should be interested in or when and why they should post. BUT this IS a stock forum that lately has been bogged down with CHAT and plenty of RUBBISH chat to a point that it wasnt worth logging on for any useful STOCK information.

I'm not trying to stop chat of any kind. I do have a couple of posters on "ignore". Feel free to put me there if you feel I am telling you something you no longer want to hear.

Julia · 30 July 2010

Timmy said:
I know you are directing this at nioka, but I will stick my big head in (as usual). I think all nioka is asking is for more input on the stocks and markets that do you interest you. You are a regular contributor to non-General Chat threads so I imagine his comments are not directed to you at all (nioka will correct me if I am wrong).

Timmy, I get that Nioka wants more stock commentary in general, and on his own stocks in particular. Re my own contribution, I do comment on stocks that I'm familiar with if I want to agree with or raise an alternative view to a post, but I'm fairly unlikely to be initiating comments just now purely because I'm staying in cash at present and not looking to buy anything.

We will all post according to pur own areas of interest which will in turn reflect our particular financial situations, ages, whether we have sources of income other than the market etc etc.

Also, I have to admit I'm a bit over repetitive arguments on differing approaches to investing/trading. There's a strong element which seems to insist that only a few approaches are valid and others are fair game for disparagement.

From my perspective, the inputs I have seen across the forum (and not just on stock threads, since my interests lie in futures) since nioka started this thread have been very positive. Would anyone agree with this impression?

I'm not sure what you mean when you say inputs have been very positive. Could you perhaps be a bit more specific?

trainspotter · 30 July 2010

Looking forward to toying with and enjoying ASF Mark III Joe !

Seems a can of worms has been opened here in the old one.

TS over and out.

Joe Blow · 30 July 2010

Before a brawl starts here I think it should be said that I do not consider those who participate in General Chat threads to be "time wasters". There is a time and a place for both stock market related chat and general chat. The reason I have taken General Chat threads out of the "Recent Threads" module on the front page is because I want to present a more focussed stock market related image to newcomers and to encourage more trading/investing related discussion as well.

Now please, can we all resist the temptation to attack others over their views on this issue? Nobody is right and nobody is wrong, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

jonojpsg · 30 July 2010

nioka said:
Try CER for example. Why:
1. CER and CNP are my most active stock this week.
2. News was released this week that is vital to knowing about the companies an dtheir prospects.
3 No posts on ASF since July 22 for CER.
4. Posts on another forum in that time 55

Sample of some posts

"How come CNP ended up going 5% up while CER went in reverse gear?"

1. CNP had fallen more than CER.
2. CNP has more to gain because it has a lot more to lose than CER. CER debt situation regarding timetables for refinancing was not as critical as that for CNP.
3. CNP needed to buy more time to avoid dilution so getting that extension was of more value to CNP than to CER.CER faces no dilution at this stage.
4. Possibly because of 1,2 and 3 there were some selling CER and returning to CNP including some day traders.
5. CER holders were disappointed that there was no progress towards separation mentioned. I was.
All the above are just my opinions but hopefully they are informed ones.

AND

There is no news here. This morning's price action is the usual hype. Neither astonishing nor distressing for those who are long term holders. The debt was never not going to be refinanced/rolled over. Not now. Thinking this was a possiblity would have been stupidity.

What has now officially been forshadowed however is that CER and CNP well and truly became a long term proposition if it wasn't already before. I think this is a good thing. There isn't going to be much more news for the parasite traders to jump on.

The announcement also highlights what many of us know/knew. The decoupling/unwinding/separation/recapitalisation or whatever we wish to call it is complicated in the extreme. The announcement forshadows another 18 months of strategising (end 2011) on how best to achieve this without making CNP technically insolvent. We can still thank Andrew Scott for these layers of complexity.

Defab (and Swap....where is he/she???) nailed it a long time ago. CER is the linchpin (especially so insofar as CNP is concerned. If property management is internalised upon any separation then there is tremendous potential upside above and beyond mere property revaluations.

Now I find those posts helpful ???? I rest my case.

Yes but you have sampled those posts nioka!! How useful are the other 95%?? This is my point, a small percentage might be useful, the rest aren't.

And yes there is obviously news out about CNP which deserves comment.

Now, as far as Timmys point about the number of ASX announcements out so far today - hmm, well you have chosen the day that most companies release their quarterly reports so yes I imagine there would be a truckload of releases to wade through and there will be LOTS to talk about over the next week or two.

On any other day though, most of the many announcements that come out are simply paperwork that deserves little if any attention (IMO of course).

It's Snake Pliskin · 30 July 2010

I like ASF. I also like the various forums that ASF provides.

I would like to see more stock chat and quality acceptance of the various methods and techniques that ALL work for different reasons depending on context and circumstances. The derision of lagging indicators is an example.

I like the new change on the new posts feed.

Keep up the good work Joe!

nioka · 30 July 2010

jonojpsg said:
Yes but you have sampled those posts nioka!! How useful are the other 95%?? This is my point, a small percentage might be useful, the rest aren't.

It is better to have a hundred posts where there are a few good ones than to have NONE. With some of the chat threads here you will/would find the same problem. (And those two weren't the only useful ones.)

It's Snake Pliskin · 30 July 2010

nioka said:
It is better to have a hundred posts where there are a few good ones than to have NONE. With some of the chat threads here you will/would find the same problem. (And those two weren't the only useful ones.)

I agree with more posts as they create interest. No posts create shallowness in more ways than one - though at times there is no need. Regular updates or some opinions would be interesting. Rhetorical questions perhaps?

Timmy · 30 July 2010

jonojpsg said:
Now, as far as Timmys point about the number of ASX announcements out so far today - hmm, well you have chosen the day that most companies release their quarterly reports so yes I imagine there would be a truckload of releases to wade through and there will be LOTS to talk about over the next week or two.

You are right, not so many normally. Just lucky I guess.

craigj · 30 July 2010

my suggestion to reinvigorate this forum is to focus more on education

we are all learning everyday and seek further knowledge.

weekly editorials / articles from the more educated members would be great

eg. what to look for when reading drilling reports
how to swing trade
traditionally good and bad months on the ASX

a forum on day trading would be good

Julia · 30 July 2010

nioka said:
Julia,
Heaven forbid that anyone should be told what they should be interested in or when and why they should post. BUT this IS a stock forum that lately has been bogged down with CHAT and plenty of RUBBISH chat to a point that it wasnt worth logging on for any useful STOCK information.

We're going round in circles here but I was just trying to suggest that (a) many people are just not involved in the market at present, and (b) those who are may not necessarily be interested in the stocks that you like.

I'm not trying to stop chat of any kind. I do have a couple of posters on "ignore". Feel free to put me there if you feel I am telling you something you no longer want to hear.

I don't have any need to 'put you on Ignore' Nioka. I've found many of your posts interesting over the years. I've just been feeling that perhaps you've been expecting others to share your own enjoyment of trading the stocks that you do and/or the market in general, when in the present climate we simply do not all want to. Maybe some of us just don't have your level of courage and confidence.

I've said several times now that I don't care what the format of ASF is and if no general chat threads appear on the Recent Posts/Home page then that's fine with me.

What's not fine is when posters launch into gratuitous and unpleasant accusations that everyone who posts in any general chat thread is a time waster etc. (can't now remember the other insults). Why not just say that the change is good and is appreciated without having to take a swipe at others?
(Btw, nioka, absolutely not suggesting that you have done anything like this.)

trainspotter said:
Thanks Agentm .....

So the picture you placed on the "Inflation" thread of a half naked woman jumping out of a pool was stock related how?

Enough said.

Calliope · 30 July 2010

This thread is wrongly listed as "ASX Stock Chat". It is actually "General Chat" and it has generated quite a bit of general chatter, even from those who denigrate "General Chat."

Wysiwyg · 30 July 2010

craigj said:
my suggestion to reinvigorate this forum is to focus more on education
we are all learning everyday and seek further knowledge.
weekly editorials / articles from the more educated members would be great
eg. what to look for when reading drilling reports
how to swing trade
traditionally good and bad months on the ASX
a forum on day trading would be good

From my observation over the years there are plenty of experienced market participants that simply don't want to share their many (usually costly) years of experiences and knowledge freely to unknowns.
They all had to 'pay a price' to get where they are.

Mind you there are plenty of bull dung artists in this game looking for newbies to sell their wares (and shares) to.

Logique · 31 July 2010

The comment was at best abrupt, and scarcely a good advertisement for the poster's point of view. It was appropriate that the poster was pulled up on this. I have no problem with agent, who has shall we say, a very direct style, but you know what to expect. I don't take it personally, but some will, and that's the point.

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totally disagree, and waters are calm and tranquil with the riff raff chatter gone.. at last!!!

the balance should be on stock threads, its a stock forum..

all the character of the general chat forum remains just as it always was,, the forum is still there, but now its where it should be, a sub folder for time wasters,,

having the natter of garbage opinions on schapelle, or some bushfire or crappy football club is irrelevant to the majority..

trainspotter · 31 July 2010

It seems to me that by moving General Chat to page #2 the traffic has definitely slowed down.

Take the Federal Election thread for instance:- Latest polls out show Coalition has the lead in primary votes? Kruddy is in hospital having his gall bladder removed, Latham has hit Kruddy on the head as the leak meister ...... and not a peep about any of this. Other threads in there are barely moving either. Regular posters have done the Elvis and left the building.

I also notice the boffins on the share threads with all the technical analysis have ceased posting as well. No point saying "AAA stock has a new board and is paying off debt so therefore they should be able to trade their way out of trouble thus IMO increasing their ASX price" .... zero analysis. No data. No graphs or J curve models with bells and whistles. In other words NO FACTS !

Meanwhile a tirade of abuse is going on in the Wellington Capital thread. Ho hum.

*rant over* ... place chair into upright position and prepare for landing.

Calliope · 31 July 2010

I did my bit today to try to "reinvigorate" an interest in Hybrid Securities. I find however that what interests some, others find boring. Ninety percent of the stock posts are very boring, and are mainly about self-interest.

Stock forums without chat are like bread without butter. And in the words of our late (but unlamented) PM it adds a bit of "argy bargy." Which I find entertaining. But heaven forbid that we should find a stock forum entertaining, I hear you say.

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