Reinvigorate ASF as a stock forum

A lot of the people who contribute to the General Chat thread also contribute to the Stock Thread and vice versa. If the General Chat is dominating the boards then obviously there is not much happening on the stock market? If you don't want to talk politics or fishing or property or music ... THEN DON'T !

I believe that the reason most of us hang in here is that we actually enjoy the format and the discussions that go on. By homogonizing ASF into a stock only focus takes away the character of the place.

Joe has struck the right balance with ASF thus far. Let's not wreck a good thing. If politics dominate the boards and stock quips are pushed down who is to say that if it becomes stock only that someone might just continually BUMP their favourite stock consistently either ramping or looking to unload or push their own agenda on stocks that others would not touch due to risk aversion?

We are entering dangerous waters IMO.

Julia said:

I've found the New Posts link only gives a complete picture if you have read right through it on the previous visit. Ditto clicking on the icon which takes you to the "first new post". If you haven't read a particular thread during the previous log in, these don't take you back actually to the last post you did read but just to the last post that was made when you were previously logged on.
Sorry, that's a horribly garbled explanation.

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Hi Julia, I know what you mean here, if you log in and don't stay long, then come back an hour later, then the new posts section won't give you a complete list of what you haven't read. An easy way around this is to go to the 'quicklinks' section (to the right of the new posts button) and click on 'today's posts', this will give you a list similar to the one generated by the new posts button, but will incorporate every post for the past 24 hours, whether you've already read it or not.

Hope this helps

nioka said:

It is not that the general interest is not there either. eg.
Posts on ASF re CER for the last 100 days 2 , posts on another forum so far for July 58.
Posts on ASF for BUL for the last 100 days 7, posts on the other forum so far for July 64.



(While I was typing this there were 24 posts on stocks on that other forum.)

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The assertion that there isn't much happening on the market and therefore not much posting does not fit with the facts.

nioka posted the above quote a few pages ago, and it bears repeating for those that must not have read it.

trainspotter said:

A lot of the people who contribute to the General Chat thread also contribute to the Stock Thread and vice versa. If the General Chat is dominating the boards then obviously there is not much happening on the stock market? If you don't want to talk politics or fishing or property or music ... THEN DON'T !

I believe that the reason most of us hang in here is that we actually enjoy the format and the discussions that go on. By homogonizing ASF into a stock only focus takes away the character of the place.

Joe has struck the right balance with ASF thus far. Let's not wreck a good thing. If politics dominate the boards and stock quips are pushed down who is to say that if it becomes stock only that someone might just continually BUMP their favourite stock consistently either ramping or looking to unload or push their own agenda on stocks that others would not touch due to risk aversion?

We are entering dangerous waters IMO.

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totally disagree, and waters are calm and tranquil with the riff raff chatter gone.. at last!!!

the balance should be on stock threads, its a stock forum..

all the character of the general chat forum remains just as it always was,, the forum is still there, but now its where it should be, a sub folder for time wasters,,

having the natter of garbage opinions on schapelle, or some bushfire or crappy football club is irrelevant to the majority..

who care what a handful of time wasters on a sub folder general chat forum think.. its all just ego trips for the volume posters.. you can still go there and post on them all like, and all you get there is the usual suspects with opinionated views blasting other usual suspect forums members..

bring on the homogenisation and lets filter that trash general chat forum out of the front page..

no mere glory posters.. its great to have a professional looking page with stock and market only content...

keep up the good work joe..

trainspotter said:

I like what you have done with the "general chat" not appearing on the main menu scene #1 home page. Very clever. Thank you Joe !

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Thanks Agentm ..... I wrote this on post #86. What I meant about the General Chat is that if you do not want to join in then don't. My point was that it is possible for someone to bump their stock on the front page consistently. I like the way the General Chat is now on page #2.

So the picture you placed on the "Inflation" thread of a half naked woman jumping out of a pool was stock related how? It was deleted by the mods BTW.

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My point was that it is possible for someone to bump their stock on the front page consistently.

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Possible, yes.
Continuing, no.

:behead:

Timmy said:

The assertion that there isn't much happening on the market and therefore not much posting does not fit with the facts.

nioka posted the above quote a few pages ago, and it bears repeating for those that must not have read it.

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OK then I'll reassert my subsequent post that the majority, if not vast majority, of those posts would have been useless in terms of FA, TA, news, etc. There is simply not something new to be said about a stock every day, or even every week sometimes.

Let's just keep useful updates on our own watchlists in the public arena and that way everyone benefits from everyone else's hard work

Timmy said:

The assertion that there isn't much happening on the market and therefore not much posting does not fit with the facts.

nioka posted the above quote a few pages ago, and it bears repeating for those that must not have read it.

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The facts are .

1. Hot flopper has a larger member base
2. 60% of those posts are a waste of time and low quality ramps like "go XYZ" or "XYZ is on the move" etc
3. even hotfloppers numbers on stock posts has vastly declined since the GFC
4. how about a comparison on other stocks and a % compared to client numbers . try AUT for example
5. ASF stock posts may not be as many NOR are the member numbers but what IS posted tends to be of a quality content.
6. Joe could always lower the 100 character rule so we could also post "go xyz" to lift the post count per stock to keep some people happy.

Joe what you have done by removing General chat from home page is a good move in my view .
General chat threads are essential here also.

Personally think hotflopper is a joke for content amd moderation tends to be somewhat biased dependant on what the moderators may be holding at the time.

That was my 2 cents........ personally im over the whole "why cant we be like them" bullsheet.

jonojpsg said:

There is simply not something new to be said about a stock every day, or even every week sometimes.

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I think this is a good point, especially for a smaller stock. Things dont happen every day, sure the price may move, but its just daily movement.

Other forums have people posting the same analysis/ramps/what if scenarios every day as the original posts get lost in the crap. We are all for posting analysis and scenarios, but unless the company announces something as changed there is little else that can be discussed

I say Black $1000 no let me go Red $1000

nunthewiser said:

The facts are .

1. Hot flopper has a larger member base
2. 60% of those posts are a waste of time and low quality ramps like "go XYZ" or "XYZ is on the move" etc
3. even hotfloppers numbers on stock posts has vastly declined since the GFC
4. how about a comparison on other stocks and a % compared to client numbers . try AUT for example
5. ASF stock posts may not be as many NOR are the member numbers but what IS posted tends to be of a quality content.
6. Joe could always lower the 100 character rule so we could also post "go xyz" to lift the post count per stock to keep some people happy.

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jono, prawn and nun, at the risk of :horse:
let me make a few points in response to nun's post:

1., 2. & 3. If we had 20% of the posts on HC that would be a huge increase.
4. Fair comment. Though the biatch-fighting on AUT has tended to increase the number of posts there
5. True, I think nioka's point is to get more.
6. 100 characters isn't much. Just insult someone

Re moderation, of course ASF is better

As to not much happening at the ASX and companies there, check this link out, ASX announcements today up 'till now. There's hundreds here! Not much happening ... please guys, pull the other one.
http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics/todayAnns.do

Was going to post something extremely invigorating and not insulting anyone but I got timed out

nunthewiser said:

how about a comparison on other stocks and a % compared to client numbers . try AUT for example6

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Try CER for example. Why:
1. CER and CNP are my most active stock this week.
2. News was released this week that is vital to knowing about the companies an dtheir prospects.
3 No posts on ASF since July 22 for CER.
4. Posts on another forum in that time 55

Sample of some posts



"How come CNP ended up going 5% up while CER went in reverse gear?"

1. CNP had fallen more than CER.
2. CNP has more to gain because it has a lot more to lose than CER. CER debt situation regarding timetables for refinancing was not as critical as that for CNP.
3. CNP needed to buy more time to avoid dilution so getting that extension was of more value to CNP than to CER.CER faces no dilution at this stage.
4. Possibly because of 1,2 and 3 there were some selling CER and returning to CNP including some day traders.
5. CER holders were disappointed that there was no progress towards separation mentioned. I was.
All the above are just my opinions but hopefully they are informed ones.

AND

There is no news here. This morning's price action is the usual hype. Neither astonishing nor distressing for those who are long term holders. The debt was never not going to be refinanced/rolled over. Not now. Thinking this was a possiblity would have been stupidity.

What has now officially been forshadowed however is that CER and CNP well and truly became a long term proposition if it wasn't already before. I think this is a good thing. There isn't going to be much more news for the parasite traders to jump on.

The announcement also highlights what many of us know/knew. The decoupling/unwinding/separation/recapitalisation or whatever we wish to call it is complicated in the extreme. The announcement forshadows another 18 months of strategising (end 2011) on how best to achieve this without making CNP technically insolvent. We can still thank Andrew Scott for these layers of complexity.

Defab (and Swap....where is he/she???) nailed it a long time ago. CER is the linchpin (especially so insofar as CNP is concerned. If property management is internalised upon any separation then there is tremendous potential upside above and beyond mere property revaluations.

Now I find those posts helpful ???? I rest my case.

nioka said:

Try CER for example. Why:
1. CER and CNP are my most active stock this week.
2. News was released this week that is vital to knowing about the companies an dtheir prospects.
3 No posts on ASF since July 22 for CER.
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So why not post something on them instead of whingeing about it? It may create discussion.

i rest my case.

Timmy said:

6. 100 characters isn't much. Just insult someone


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likes 6.

nunthewiser said:

So why not post something on them instead of whingeing about it? It may create discussion.

i rest my case.

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I have. It didn't get much of a response. I will again in the near future. I'm too busy trying to get others to post and have to get the time for a researched point of view before I post. I don't claim to be the Guru I just want to know what others think of the stocks i want to research. I hope I do my share of posting on stocks


As far as creating discussion I think I started some decent discussion on this topic.

I rest my case again.

nioka said:

I rest my case again.

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hahahahahah

have a great day

nunthewiser said:

likes 6.

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Thats cause you are a **** *** ***** *** **** ***** *****.

There, I think thats 100. Easy

Hahahah aa aha a .... abuse by * ! Is that a snowflake? <*(((>< (fish)

I am in favour of the new arrangement, with "General Chat" removed from the home page.

If ASF is meant to be primarily a stock forum, then threads pertaining to the market are what should appear on the home page. This is the first thing that new visitors see. (First impressions and all that.)

I enjoy some of the "General Chat" threads (and sometimes spend more time there than common sense dictates I should), but they are mostly frivolous and time wasting, or just comic relief, and should be relegated to a minor position.

Ruby