Regarding Reichstag911's political threads

[Joe Blow]

Surely this is a good case for reporting to authorities, maybe they can have closer look at that person’s activities.
I met R……1 posts on several forums, so there is agenda in these activities.

What exactly has Reichstag911 done to justify reporting him to the 'authorities'? Has he committed any crime?

I didn't realize Australia was a police state where people can be reported and investigated for their political views, as unorthodox or as unpopular as they might be.

My only concern has ever been the effect of his posts on the forums. As far as I'm concerned he is entitled to hold whatever political views or support whatever conspiracy theories he wants. That is the essence of a free society.

In the words of Voltaire, "I disapprove of what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

 

[Porper]

Surely this is a good case for reporting to authorities, maybe they can have closer look at that person’s activities.
I met R……1 posts on several forums, so there is agenda in these activities.

From memory phone is 1800 123 400 if owners of this Board would like to do the right thing.

I think talking about reporting him is going a bit over the top, no worse than people constantly ramping a stock in my opinion.

However I like this forum for what it is .................... a stock forum.As long as we aren't overrun by these types of posts I couldn't care less.I will however never contribute or get enticed into debates politically or religiously motivated.Always ends in bitterness or worse.If you don't like it, ignore it, I do.

 

[Happy]

Don't be alarmed, be alert.

If R...1 is OK, nothing should happen, but how do you know we haven't got something interesting on our hands?

Of course not everybody with backpack will disintegrate, but some do.

Better be safe than sorry, but don't let me run your show, do what you think is best for your site.
(I didn't think I'll rub the owner of this site wrong way before making dozen of posts, sorry)

 

[GreatPig]

I didn't realize Australia was a police state where people can be reported and investigated for their political views

While I agree with your stance with regard to Reichstag911, I'm afraid Australia has long been a country where people can be reported and investigated for their political and religious views.

Just ask a few former members of the Australian Communist party, or take a wander through Auburn or Lakemba in Sydney and talk to a few Moslems.

However, I think someone simply regurgitating articles of this nature would quickly drop off the radar, with the classification "mostly harmless". :

GP

 

[Joe Blow]

Better be safe than sorry, but don't let me run your show, do what you think is best for your site.
(I didn't think I'll rub the owner of this site wrong way before making dozen of posts, sorry)

Happy, you haven't rubbed me the wrong way at all. I don't take this sort of stuff personally. I just don't think we should be reporting anybody to the authorities unless we believe they have committed or are plotting to commit a criminal act.

I am concerned with the amount of threads he is starting on the forums and I agree that if he does continue to post any political threads he needs to insert his own views into his posts instead of just cutting and pasting from other websites.

I don't want want anyone flooding the forums with any type of spam be it commercial or political.

If Reichstag911 wants to start a political thread with the genuine intention of stimulating some serious discussion on a topical issue then I'm all for it. But I agree that if all he wants to do is cut and paste divisive articles and conspiracy theories from other websites with no personal input then we are going to end up butting heads.

I'm hoping he wil come across this thread and get the message.

 

[GreatPig]

Of course not everybody with backpack will disintegrate, but some do.

Better be safe than sorry

As a regular carrier of a backpack, all I can say is I'm glad you're not police minister!

Better safe than sorry leads to innocent people being shot seven times in the head.

GP

 

[Joe Blow]

While I agree with your stance with regard to Reichstag911, I'm afraid Australia has long been a country where people can be reported and investigated for their political and religious views.

GP, you are absolutely correct and I consider it a great shame. Thankfully, we are no worse in this area than any other other western democracy.

My view is that we shouldn't allow hard won civil liberties to be eroded because of a few miserable extremists bent on violence.

 

[Happy]

Just happens that 50 few murdered recently in London were innocent too and scores of injured, suppose collateral.

As Bob Carr said just last week before he decided to pull the plug, that he has the same right to go about his business in safety as civil libertarian has the right to his privacy.

 

[excalibur]

I'm just thinking out loud here but a few ideas...

How about we just have a proper place on ASF for political discussions (except those that correctly belong in the the threads for specific stocks) and keep the general chat non-political/religious.

Hi Smurf,

It`s an account when an article anti-religious is. But politics?
You ain`t got any buisness without politics and vice-versa.
I share usually articles found online, to inform other people, to see their reactions and know if the one opinion or the other is shared or not.
If the majority is pro or contra to a certain matter, this knowledge may be vital in making a certain investment. I don`t want to say that ASF is an exclusively buisness forum, forgetting human or everyday matters. We gotta be open minded, just as DTM quoted.
If you pertain to your ideals to hard, before dealing with money, you`ll be broke before you open your wallet.

No hard feelings everybody

 

[Smurf1976]

With these last few posts we're actually getting a bit of a political debate going here... No problems with that IMHO and it sure beats just posting articles from other sites.

For my 2 cents worth, why don't they just use dogs to sniff for explosives etc at train stations and the like since this would be a reasonably quick mass screening method I would have thought. You can still have your backpack (just imagine all those legal cases for back injuries if back packs are banned) but the dog will need to check.

Fine with me though I suppose we're going to need quite a few dogs so there will need to be a "Pal tax" or "Good-O tax" or something like that on tickets probably. Dogs eat quite a lot... :

 

[excalibur]

For my 2 cents worth, why don't they just use dogs to sniff for explosives etc at train stations and the like since this would be a reasonably quick mass screening method I would have thought. :

That was a political question:
Ask the politicians for the answer

 

[Smurf1976]

Hi Smurf,

It`s an account when an article anti-religious is. But politics?
You ain`t got any buisness without politics and vice-versa.
I share usually articles found online, to inform other people, to see their reactions and know if the one opinion or the other is shared or not.
If the majority is pro or contra to a certain matter, this knowledge may be vital in making a certain investment. I don`t want to say that ASF is an exclusively buisness forum, forgetting human or everyday matters. We gotta be open minded, just as DTM quoted.
If you pertain to your ideals to hard, before dealing with money, you`ll be broke before you open your wallet.

No hard feelings everybody

Agreed with you there excalibur. I was just thinking though that it seems that some people want the general chat to be non-serious stuff like cars, shoes etc. and IF that's the case (it may not be) then we could just have serious general chat for the politics etc. and non-serious general chat for the cars, shoes etc and that ought to keep everyone happy.

Or it could just stay as it is. Doesn't really bother me personally - I'm just raising possibilities here to see what others think.

 

[doctorj]

Happy, if I didn't think you were taking the p!ss, I'd be very angry.

As you alluded to terrorism is a very serious matter and it is very poor form to joke about it in the manner you do.

Also, its sad to see people have been misled by the media to assume anti-govt sentiment is equivalent to terrorism. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of the Australian or US governments - none of which qualify you as a terrorist. The central element of democracy is the right to be able to disagree with the actions of the government and voice that opinion through protest, discussion or otherwise.

"Those who are willing to sacrifice their basic liberties to assure their security deserve neither."
-- Benjamin Franklin

 

[Julia]

Reichstag911,

You obviously read this forum regularly given the number of posts you have made on it. So how about offering us your reaction to the controversy you have provoked? While the thread makes really interesting reading with its divergent views, It would be good to hear in your own words, yes really, how you feel about the suggestions that have been made. Show us you are more than a copy artist and have genuine, clearly thought out views of your own.

Julia

 

[GreatPig]

Just happens that 50 few murdered recently in London were innocent too and scores of injured

So shooting more innocent people helps remedy that how exactly?

I shudder to think what it would be like if police started shooting dead anyone they thought might be about to commit a terrorist act. How long would it be before the death toll from police shootings far outweighed the death toll from terrorist attacks?

GP

 

[Hanrahan]

R911 seems to have unlimited access on HC so if you can limit him here that's OK with me.

Joe Blow is pro free speech so he is correct in not banning him. Such posts serve a useful purpose, if only to demonstrate the depth of feeling many have and how nothing could change their minds. An interesting exercise in psychology

Of course they fail to realise that their rants won't change anyone else's minds either LOL

 

[Happy]

If he stopped and obeyed Police instructions he would be OK

Couple of guys on the balcony, obeyed instructions and are OK
One even asked several times: Are you going to shoot me?

He was reassured, and is OK and even will be able to assist with the investigations.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

It's always easy and cowardly to blame the Police Force for being heavy handed. But, if you have any intelligence at all you would realise what a difficult job it is and sometimes accidents and mistakes happen. These mistakes could be mitigated if people simply cooperated with the police and heeded their intructions.

 

[GreatPig]

If he stopped and obeyed Police instructions he would be OK

Well yes, it certainly demonstrates that it's dangerous to disobey police instructions there now.

But then many people guilty of minor offences (the guy's visa had expired) try to evade authorities. It seems now though that resisting arrest (or whatever evading capture is called) can result in summary execution.

Actually I could see that approach might work well here to prevent accidents from high-speed car chases. When chasing a suspected stolen vehicle, the police could just fire a grenade into the rear window and blow it up. Problem solved.

GP

 

[GreatPig]

and sometimes accidents and mistakes happen

I agree, it is a tough job and mistakes like that will happen, especially in heightened circumstances like those. That's not what I'm talking about.

What I disagree with is that "better safe than sorry" is a good general approach to take.

GP