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Does this seem a little over the top to you or is it just me ?

Adam Goodes 'gutted' by racial slur but wants AFL fan educated

Adam Goodes says his heart was broken by a racial slur at the MCG, but the teenage culprit deserves support too.

The veteran Swans forward says his side's win over Collingwood last night "means nothing" after the abuse from a Magpies supporter.

A 13-year-old girl was interviewed by police over the incident and released pending further inquiries
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772
 
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MrBurns said:
Does this seem a little over the top to you or is it just me ?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-05-25/goodes-gutted-but-places-no-blame/4712772
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It certainly got everyone in a tizzy.

SWANS champion Adam Goodes says he is "gutted" and couldn't celebrate Sydney's win last night after a 13-year-old girl called him an ape.
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Some kid called him an ape and his heart was broken ?

I think that's BS to be honest.
 
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MrBurns said:
Some kid called him an ape and his heart was broken ?

I think that's BS to be honest.
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I agree, the media reaction doesn't quite fit the crime. The behaviour is pretty poor by the spectator, but it's not really front page news (or perhaps news at all).
 
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Shades of Andrew Symonds who accused an Indian cricketer of being racist when he called him a monkey. I guess the monkey had the last laugh.:D

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I don't think they'll ever wipe that out, calling people names because of how they look is just the way it is, can you be thrown out of a match for calling Ablett baldy ? I don't think so.
 
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At worst it is species or genus abuse. Apes are not a race, would it have been as bad if she called him a squirrel?

It is the inference that he is 'unevolved' that would be offensive in my mind.

Ape is not a racial term, 'Black Ape' could well be construed as such.

I am a tall broad shoulder guy, of Italian descent with dark features, and have been called a gorilla and an ape countless times, I didn't scream racial vilification.

I think this is going too far.
 
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MrBurns said:
Some kid called him an ape and his heart was broken ?

I think that's BS to be honest.
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Agree. Also don't see that a reference to an ape necessarily has any racial implication.

A few weeks ago there was a huge fuss about some ABC sports commentator having been suspended for a racially offensive remark apparently uttered when he thought his microphone was off at a game in Darwin.
Name - David Morrow??? Not sure. At the time, Mr Morrow was abjectly apologetic, describing himself as mortified and utterly ashamed and embarrassed, etc etc, to the point where I wondered what on earth he could have possibly said that was so indefensibly dreadful.

Only found out a couple of days ago amongst an item announcing he had been reinstated but barred from calling any indigenous games (I think that's right but am up for being corrected if I'm not). Finally the hideous remark was revealed: apparently he said that it was " hard to see the players at night in Darwin."

For that there was all that fuss ? Unbelievable.

ABC in particular just loves this sort of stuff. Way too precious imo.
 
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Julia said:
Agree. Also don't see that a reference to an ape necessarily has any racial implication.

A few weeks ago there was a huge fuss about some ABC sports commentator having been suspended for a racially offensive remark apparently uttered when he thought his microphone was off at a game in Darwin.
Name - David Morrow??? Not sure. At the time, Mr Morrow was abjectly apologetic, describing himself as mortified and utterly ashamed and embarrassed, etc etc, to the point where I wondered what on earth he could have possibly said that was so indefensibly dreadful.

Only found out a couple of days ago amongst an item announcing he had been reinstated but barred from calling any indigenous games (I think that's right but am up for being corrected if I'm not). Finally the hideous remark was revealed: apparently he said that it was " hard to see the players at night in Darwin."

For that there was all that fuss ? Unbelievable.

ABC in particular just loves this sort of stuff. Way too precious imo.
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It's ridiculous, I actually find it hard to see Africans even during the day, they are so black they seem to melt into the scenery not sure what it is but their features are hard to see as well. No big deal, it's not racist just an observation.
 
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Julia said:
Agree. Also don't see that a reference to an ape necessarily has any racial implication.


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If you think a reference to an ape that is directed at a black guy doesn't have racial implications then you either playing dumb or you are dumb.
 
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banco said:
If you think a reference to an ape that is directed at a black guy doesn't have racial implications then you either playing dumb or you are dumb.
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No that's just because you associate apes with black people, you are racist then, if Julia cant see the connection she isn't, so you're the dumb one eh ?
 
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At worst it is species or genus abuse. Apes are not a race, would it have been as bad if she called him a squirrel?

It is the inference that he is 'unevolved' that would be offensive in my mind.

Ape is not a racial term, 'Black Ape' could well be construed as such.

I am a tall broad shoulder guy, of Italian descent with dark features, and have been called a gorilla and an ape countless times, I didn't scream racial vilification.

I think this is going too far.
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I suspect the girl who said it has never heard the word "unevolved" let alone knows what it means. Would this then deem the incident not racist.
 
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MrBurns said:
No that's just because you associate apes with black people, you are racist then, if Julia cant see the connection she isn't, so you're the dumb one eh ?
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No because it's a common insult directed at black people. It's like a white guy calling an African-American "boy" and saying it doesn't have any racial implications. People have been fired in the US for referring to Michele Obama as an ape.

Making monkey noises and referring to black players as apes is not uncommon in European soccer and noone is confused by what is meant by it but perhaps you an Julia have lived sheltered lives:

"Britain's government has written to European soccer authorities demanding "tough sanctions" against Serbia after racist chants - including monkey noises - were heard at an international match with England on Tuesday night."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...rowd-monkey-noises-taint-european-soccer?lite
 
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jersey10 said:
I suspect the girl who said it has never heard the word "unevolved" let alone knows what it means. Would this then deem the incident not racist.
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You could call any large man an ape so what if she wasn't referring to his colour when she made the remark ?
 
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MrBurns said:
You could call any large man an ape so what if she wasn't referring to his colour when she made the remark ?
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Exactly. I don't understand racism. Is it a list of things specific people / groups of people can't say to specific people / groups of people? Is there no list, but if someone takes offence to something you say and it can be linked to something to do with someone's race then it is not allowed?
 
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Calliope said:
It certainly got everyone in a tizzy.
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The mainstream media have been blurring that girl's face in their reporting, given that she is a minor.

This conversation is an absolute disgrace.
 
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The AFL has had a very abusive racist history. The abuse of oboriginal players by fellow sportsmen and the crowd was appalling.

But for years it was somehow accepted as part of of our "culture". In fact if anyone objected to such comments they wouldc op a mouthful.

Since 1992 teh AFL has decided to stop racism and over time it has reached the stage where spectators know they "shouldn't" abuse aboriginal players. In fact its the spectators who dob in abusers.
The behavior of the girl last night was wrong but I think the hysteria of the media over the incident has been unbelievable. You'd think she had personally killed and eaten someone!
 
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I'm biased as a Swans supporter. Fully support Adam Goodes' actions. As one tv commentator said, Adam doesn't jump at shadows.

How ignorant (and naive) of that spectator group, and in Indigenous Round of all times! There are adults next to that 13yro girl. I point the finger at them.

Well done by the Collingwood President to go down to the Swans rooms afterwards and apologize.
 
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