Garpal Gumnut
Ross Island Hotel
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I love to drink and drive. That's my pleasure. How dare the authorities restrict it.
Try using your personality instead of a lump of machinery. It still works on the girls worth having."She took one look at my car...".
'6 teenagers die from crowding onto a motorbike and riding it at speed' ?
F**K pride and joy. This is a serious issue here. Perhaps those 22 year olds will go and find something else to be proud off, like getting their priorities right.
Yep. One rule for all. As for school zones, due to the variable speed limits at different times, this is why I am not saying 20kph over the limit.If we were to apply your suggestion, someone driving across the Sydney Harbour Bridge at 90km/h in the dead of night would lose their licence for 18 months. Someone driving through a school zone at 60 would not (unless there's a specific rule that I'm not aware of).
The reason that the current deterrents haven't been effective yet is because the punishments aren't tough enough.
Youths have got it easy these days. Their bleatings about freedoms are laughable. Its about time they were reminded about the harsh realities of life.
No offence to those genuinely with a passion for cars, but in my experience I'd say that the vast majority of females attracted to men with fancy cars aren't overly interested in either. There are exceptions of course, but I've seen it all unfold rather a lot of times and it's a very predictable story..."She took one look at my car...".
It's not the penalty per se, but rather it's the combination of the penalty and the probability of it being applied.The ultimate punishments are death, being permanently injured, having to live with deaths etc. These punishments don't deter these acts, so what makes you think slighter harsher normal penalties will be more effective?
THREE teenage girls were seriously injured when a joyride almost ended in tragedy near Wilsons Promontory last night.
Just a week after five teenagers died in an alcohol-fuelled, high-speed crash in Mill Park, ambulance and police officers were again faced with the horror of another smash involving several youths.
The girls - all reportedly aged 15 - were the only occupants of a small sedan that crashed into a concrete power pole on Foley Road, Yanakie, and exploded about 7.30pm.
The force of the impact was so great the pole collapsed.
''They're lucky to be alive. This could have been a triple fatality,'' said Ambulance Victoria spokesman John Mullen.
''But their injuries are serious. They are going to have a long-term effect.''
in my experience I'd say that the vast majority of females attracted to men with fancy cars aren't overly interested in either.
I'm not advocating 6 months in prison, but it makes the point. Harsh penalties aren't just about the punishment, they are equally about the probability of the offence actually resulting in that punishment being applied.
when I was a young man I
Drank too much
Chased girls
Drove too fast
Drove when I was pissed
Got away with it.
Some of my mates didn't.
No amount of legislation will change the behaviour of youth.
All you can do is keep on hammering the messages of doom home, and hope your kids don't do stupid things.
gg
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Or if you want to impose $5k insurance premiums on young people (punishing many for the faults of a few), how about adding a $5k tax each financial year to anyone deemed "overweight", so they can contribute to the billions spent on obesity related diseases each year.
Restrictions and fines will not fix the problem at all. People need to take responsibility for their actions.
...Very good point Gav, there is an insurance premium paid by smokers and YOU pay higher premiums the older you get, if had a heart attack etc maybe a premium should be paid for traffic offenders based on your points, in the form insurances AND higher car registration fees.
(off subject) I wouldnt be surprised if a tax is applied to fatties some time in future.
Restricting people's freedom? Lets not get melodramatic here. A car is a form of transport. THAT'S ALL. It is not a human right to drive fast/powerful vehicles. I've yet to hear of 22 year old's life being negatively impacted because he/she drives a Corolla instead of a XR6.
It's time these playthings were left for those old enough to respect the power which that they wield. I would guess that there are more irresponsible drivers aged 20 than aged 30. Yes some mature/sensible youngsters will miss out, but thats life as laws cannot be made to suit everybody.
How about making comprehensive insurance compulsory on high powered/fast vehicles, and have insurance premiums at $5k per year for drivers below a certain age - not necessarily 25 years old....maybe 22.
I agree with having a stronger deterrent though, just like drink driving. Speeding at >30k above the speed limit results in instant 18month ban.
Fact is, speeding doesn't kill, its the impact when you hit something that does. A corolla is just as capable of doing 150 km/h as a sports car.
http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cach...m+speed+crashes+2010&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=auAutomatic emergency braking when a collision is imminent.
The well-proven, radar based assistance systems from the S-Class are now also optionally available to E-Class customers. A further development of the long-range radar sensor now has a range of 200 metres (previously 150 metres), and is able to monitor the mid-distance so that dynamic events such as a vehicle ahead suddenly pulling out to overtake can be detected even more effectively. The two wide-angle short-range radar sensors, which have a range of around 30 metres, continue to be included in the system.
The radar-supported systems are able to assist the driver with emergency braking. Their sensors are linked to the Brake Assist PLUS system, which automatically calculates the braking pressure to prevent a collision in critical situations. The driver is given an acoustic and visual warning at the same time. When the brake pedal is depressed, the system immediately activates the calculated level of braking assistance.
If the driver fails to respond to the warnings, the radar system first initiates partial braking action. As a second stage, if there is still no driver response and a collision is unavoidable, emergency braking is initiated. This can considerably lessen the severity of an accident, i.e. the system acts as something like an "electronic crumple zone".
Active bonnet, seven airbags and PRE-SAFE ® as standard
During the course of its development, the new E-Class was subjected to more than 150 high-speed crash tests and a total of more than 17,000 realistic crash simulations. The crumple zone principle invented by the Mercedes safety pioneer Béla Barényi has been continuously improved by the engineers in Sindelfingen. The front-end deformation zone of the E-Class acts on four independent levels, and is even more effective than before. The increased use of highest-strength steel alloys also helps to ensure that the bodyshell is able to withstand high impact forces. Around 72 percent of all the body panels are made from these high-tech steels – yet another unrivalled figure in passenger car development.
With seven airbags as standard, belt tensioners, belt force limiters, crash-responsive head restraints and ISOFIX child seat attachments, the new E-Class has even more extensive safety features than the preceding model. Another new feature is the active bonnet, which is a continuation of many years of commitment to pedestrian protection on the part of Mercedes-Benz. It is standard equipment in the new E-Class. In the event of an impact, a system of springs raises the rear section of the bonnet by 50 millimetres within fractions of a second, thereby increasing the available deformation space. Thanks to the cleverly conceived mechanism, the driver is able to reset the active bonnet to its normal position himself, without visiting a workshop.
Another standard feature is the preventive occupant protection system PRE-SAFE ®. In potentially hazardous situations this reflexively activates precautionary protective measures for the vehicle occupants, so that the seat belts and airbags are able to fulfil their protective function to the full during an impact.
Driver education is what is severely lacking, restricting cars or access to "high performance" cars isn't a solution. Its about educating people about the limits of vehicles in a controlled environment so they don't experience it on the road. If you want to drive fast, go to a race track or out to WSID or one of the other drag strips.
Power of the vehicles isn't the problem, its the education of drivers and the simplicity of obtaining a licence that is the issue.
Driver education is what is severely lacking, restricting cars or access to "high performance" cars isn't a solution. Its about educating people about the limits of vehicles in a controlled environment so they don't experience it on the road. If you want to drive fast, go to a race track or out to WSID or one of the other drag strips.
Power of the vehicles isn't the problem, its the education of drivers and the simplicity of obtaining a licence that is the issue.
All cars here should have delimeters set to 110kph. Okay, it won't stop lower speed deaths, but its a start.
so what happens if you want to pass some old geezer doing 95kph on a busy 2 lane road.??
gg
so what happens if you want to pass some old geezer doing 95kph on a busy 2 lane road.??
gg
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