Political correctness - the devil!

[It's Snake Pliskin]

For any political correctness discussion let's have it out - while we still have free speech.

Here is a good site worth reading:
http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/
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So what is political correctness, how did it start and how did it become so successful? Political correctness is first and foremost an attack on free speech, clear thinking and discussion. Political correctness is perpetrated by the left in politics as a cover for their flawed ideology - a sort of cultural Marxism. By cloaking their strange ideas under the cover of not wishing to offend anyone (which naturally appeals to peoples' better nature), they try to bypass debate and give a 'received wisdom' which must not be questioned. And anyone who disagrees with this 'received wisdom' must therefore be a really nasty person and deserves to be ostracised by their peers. This peer pressure is instrumental in enforcing and expanding political correctness.

Tonight on radio I was listening to a cab driver who plays carols while he is driving. Some teachers got into his cab and said he wasn't politically correct by playing the carols. Australia is a christian secular country and Christmas - the celebration of Christ - is normal. So why the mentalistic attitudes?

But here we have an example of cultural Marxism being spread by the left.

The average Australian has the requisite skill available to see through the cultural Marxist. It is called "common sense."

 

[chops_a_must]

"Christian secular" is a pretty big oxymoron there Snake.

But Christmas has now transcended christianity and is really just a secular celebration for most.

I doubt you will get many true lefties arguing against the stupid use of political correctness.

After all, a lot of civil rights activists are angry at the use of it, as it actually stops the discussion and inhibits the progression of said rights. It's very difficult to discuss incarceration rates for aboriginals without some ninny crying foul for instance. But that just stops the discussion about what needs to be done.

But you do have to be careful about the anti political correctness argument being used as the thin end of the wedge to allow blatant racism to surface once again. Very difficult to separate the two though on a broad scale.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Thats sounds ridiculous. Especially considering Christmas is 2 weeks away.

A lot of these people have been brainwashed, I mean imagine a future where we are judged by the thought police for anything we read, write, listen to or sing along with.

The cabbie should lodge a complaint with the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission for being religously vilified in his workplace. Come to think of it why not?

 

[cuttlefish]

Give it up and get a life Snakes.

 

[wayneL]

Is it politically incorrect to discuss the negative aspects of political correctness?

It's a tough one this. It is good that we have tried to do things like remove pejorative racial/cultural tags in the name of PC, such as... well we all know what they are. But PCness so obviously goes way too far at times, as the various Xmas examples (and numerous others) show.

Where is the line? It's a bit fuzzy really. But totally agree that excess PC should be sternly addressed.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

"Christian secular" is a pretty big oxymoron there Snake.

Yes it is one of the failings of our language. We are christian and everythng is based on christianity in a very indirect way but we are secular in that religion and state are not one. The way it should be.

But Christmas has now transcended christianity and is really just a secular celebration for most.

For most in Australia. And to an increasing extent in Japan where it is a disneyland like celebration.

I doubt you will get many true lefties arguing against the stupid use of political correctness.

That is the nature of the marxist isn't it?

After all, a lot of civil rights activists are angry at the use of it, as it actually stops the discussion and inhibits the progression of said rights. It's very difficult to discuss incarceration rates for aboriginals without some ninny crying foul for instance. But that just stops the discussion about what needs to be done.

It is the biggest problem for a progressive society and will be the cause of continued decay. Surely we can have a critical look at things and call them what they are?

But you do have to be careful about the anti political correctness argument being used as the thin end of the wedge to allow blatant racism to surface once again. Very difficult to separate the two though on a broad scale.

What we do not need is fascism and the racist diatribe that goes along with that. Doesn't common sense rule out racism?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Give it up and get a life Snakes.

Please explain.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Lets juxtapose this cabbies situation.

Imagine the cabbie was a cashed up fella with an awesome cab.
Tweeters, a couple of sub-woofers in the back as well as the boot.
A GPS system that also had a PMP connection for rear passenger entertainment and he was playing David Lee Roth's Hot For Teacher.

Would that be politically incorrect? Or is he meant to be telepathic and realise they are Teachers before they enter his cab?

Great song by the way
Comes from the Album 'Best of Both Worlds' :

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Is it politically incorrect to discuss the negative aspects of political correctness?

It's a tough one this. It is good that we have tried to do things like remove pejorative racial/cultural tags in the name of PC, such as... well we all know what they are. But PCness so obviously goes way too far at times, as the various Xmas examples (and numerous others) show.

Where is the line? It's a bit fuzzy really. But totally agree that excess PC should be sternly addressed.

Wayne I don't believe it has to be this or that. It shouldn't be PC or the other extreme. Why not a simple logic of treating things for what they are with consideration for the parties concerned - aka common sense?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Re: Political correctness - is it the devil?

Lets juxtapose this cabbies situation.

Imagine the cabbie was a cashed up fella with an awesome cab.
Tweeters, a couple of sub-woofers in the back as well as the boot.
A GPS system that also had a PMP connection for rear passenger entertainment and he was playing David Lee Roth's Hot For Teacher.

Would that be politically incorrect? Or is he meant to be telepathic and realise they are Teachers before they enter his cab?

Great song by the way
Comes from the Album 'Best of Both Worlds' :

LOL, GumbyLearner,

Who would rock music offend? I don't know a tough one. Surely the noise aspect only.

Disclaimer:
I am not promoting the opposite to PC. As my signature says: Discussion only! We are still allowed to talk about things.

 

[GumbyLearner]

Lets juxtapose this cabbies situation.

Imagine the cabbie was a cashed up fella with an awesome cab.
Tweeters, a couple of sub-woofers in the back as well as the boot.
A GPS system that also had a PMP connection for rear passenger entertainment and he was playing David Lee Roth's Hot For Teacher.

Would that be politically incorrect? Or is he meant to be telepathic and realise they are Teachers before they enter his cab?


Great song by the way

http://www.vh1classic.com/view/artist/1153/18151/Van_Halen/Hot_For_Teacher/index.jhtml

Comes from the Album 'Best of Both Worlds' :

 

[cuttlefish]

Please explain.

Here is a good site worth reading:
http://www.politicallyincorrect.me.uk/

Let me paraphrase "Here is a hard right wing site that is full of cr*p and not worth wasting time on."


If you presented the debate in a remotely balanced fashion it might be worth entertaining discussion on. But you're agenda driven and thus the thread is a waste of space imvho.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Let me paraphrase "Here is a hard right wing site that is full of cr*p and not worth wasting time on."

If you presented the debate in a remotely balanced fashion it might be worth entertaining discussion on. But you're agenda driven and thus the thread is a waste of space imvho.

Thanks for your reply Cuttlefish however devoid of content other than attack. Just for the record I am only interested in discussion without any agenda, but I am sure many disagree with you. Have a listen to any radio talkback program to hear real people's opinions.

Just playing devils advocate
I hope the investing / trading is going well for you.

Moderators: if this thread should be deleted feel free to delete it. I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable by DISCUSSION.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Political correctness is a memetic phrase that has little influence in Australian society and the phrase is occasionally used when being polite or respectful.

Hopefully it will be de-memetised and better english language used.

Like the cabbie to the teachers ... "if yer dant lark mer carols then git yer fat asses oota me cab."

 

[chops_a_must]

Yes it is one of the failings of our language. We are christian and everythng is based on christianity in a very indirect way but we are secular in that religion and state are not one. The way it should be.

Mmm... Western secular would have sufficed.

That is the nature of the marxist isn't it?

Lol.

Marxist doctrine is probably some of the most politically incorrect doctrine I have ever read.

What we do not need is fascism and the racist diatribe that goes along with that. Doesn't common sense rule out racism?

The problem always becomes, where do you draw the line?

I may have an opinion, say, that the Japanese nation is far too proud to realise the destruction it caused the world, and the insincerity and dishonesty it continues to treat its atrocious war crimes and genocides with.

It partly has a basis in reality. There are things you can point to in their education system and culture that back this opinion up. But do you treat the individual japanese person with that bias as a basis, or grounding? Or do you treat them as an individual and not hold against them the structure that has shaped them in such a way?

To me that is the grey area with political incorrectness in practice. Most people will treat the individual as if they are a representative of that whole. Rather than having a point of view of an individual that takes into account what has made them them, and what they are a product of, and making the judgement in relation to that stereotype, rather than judging them as the stereotype.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Mmm... Western secular would have sufficed.

I disagree.

Marxist doctrine is probably some of the most politically incorrect doctrine I have ever read.

Well not really.

The problem always becomes, where do you draw the line?

Respect for all with free speech.

I may have an opinion, say, that the Japanese nation is far too proud to realise the destruction it caused the world, and the insincerity and dishonesty it continues to treat its atrocious war crimes and genocides with.

Yes Japan caused a lot of destruction. Most don't know what really happened. A more obscure point of fact is that Korea fails to address their history where it is negative too.

It partly has a basis in reality. There are things you can point to in their education system and culture that back this opinion up. But do you treat the individual japanese person with that bias as a basis, or grounding? Or do you treat them as an individual and not hold against them the structure that has shaped them in such a way?

Treat them as individuals based on their deeds. I have conversations with many Japanese about world war two both left and right bent. But I still treat them as they treat me - with respect.

To me that is the grey area with political incorrectness in practice. Most people will treat the individual as if they are a representative of that whole. Rather than having a point of view of an individual that takes into account what has made them them, and what they are a product of, and making the judgement in relation to that stereotype, rather than judging them as the stereotype.

There is education that would help with this. We are told we can't talk about stuff, but do we really know why?

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[cuttlefish]

Have a listen to any radio talkback program to hear real people's opinions.

Radio talkback ... where the "REAL" people have their say ... thats hilarious ,,, you're not serious are you?

I hope the investing / trading is going well for you.

Do you? Interesting that you've chosen to express this irrelevant emotion in this thread ... but thankyou for your sudden interest in my financial success or otherwise.

 

[GumbyLearner]

I agree chops.

I treat all on face value.

But I do think the cabbie has every right to listen to carols.

And I believe it to be reverse-discrimination by anyone who says
its not PC to listen to carols at Christmas time on the radio.



Just thought I'd throw up a different scenario which certainly has merit
when discussing this kind of topic


In this scenario it is the Teachers who are being insensitive to the driver, rather than the driver
being insensitive to their intellectual ideals.

 

[cuttlefish]

I agree chops.

I treat all on face value.

But I do think the cabbie has every right to listen to carols.

And I believe it to be reverse-discrimination by anyone who says
its not PC to listen to carols at Christmas time on the radio.

The problem is this is all hearsay which is not atypical of talkback radio. The odds on this being a true story about Australian teachers is slim imo. But lets not let the truth get in the way of any excuse to fan the fire.

How about a link to the story Snakes ... or is this a first hand account?

 

[chops_a_must]

Well not really.

Yes, really.

Stereotyping on mass whether from the bottom up, or top down, I would class as grossly politically incorrect.

Respect for all with free speech.

Respect for all with free speech?

I don't respect opponents to Mugabe because they don't have free speech?

I will respect people on what they say, not on their ability to say it or not, and not necessarily on their propensity and ability to garner publicity. If they are a cretin like Hansen or Howard, I will treat them as such, and certainly not on the basis of their novelty.