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Julia

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After reading the most unedifying thread where attacks are exchanged between Tech/a and Yogi which has mercifully now been closed (rather too late perhaps), I'd like to suggest to anyone who has an issue with another member to please handle it via PM's.

Some members have taken sides and participated in this unpleasant little exercise, but I suspect many more are, like me, less than impressed by this squabbling.

Often we will disagree with others. That doesn't mean we need to attack them on a personal level or indulge in some sort of grandstanding.
There is sometimes a mistaken understanding of ego. The person with a genuinely healthy, intact ego doesn't need to criticise others but rather can just accept the difference, and conversely doesn't need the repeated adulation of others to feel OK.

Let's value the contributions of others, people, and behave like civilised human beings.

Julia
 

Nice post Julia. Yes that stoush between T/A and Yogi was totally ridiculous.
 
Probably being over cynical here.
But used to see similar on the former Kitco forum.

Build up a apostolic following.
Find your competitors weakness and play on it.
Convince your followers that a 50/50 strike rate is normal.
Shoot down anyone who offers a different method to the one you're sprouting.

After a couple of years -- Bingo -- you're taking time out to perfect your method -- U then contact the chosen few (anyone U can contact) and invite them to join your PAID SERVICE.

Sorry seen the same ploy too many times.


Cheers
 
I haven't seen the original thread but very strongly agreed with your comments there Julia.

On a related issue, the worst aspect of Australian culture is this stupid tendency to want to cut down anyone who actually does something well. Personally, I see it as nothing more than whinging by those incapable of doing any better, or even as well, themselves. It unfortunately appears on ASF from time to time.
 

Yes Smurf good points.
As an Aussie ex-pat thinking of coming home, I tend to think twice about it. If someone achieves and stands out they are cut down.
 
It's Snake Pliskin said:
Yes Smurf good points.
As an Aussie ex-pat thinking of coming home, I tend to think twice about it. If someone achieves and stands out they are cut down.
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Spot on! As an ex-expat I found that only way to rise above this cringe was to strike out at 90 degrees and do something utterly different from what I was doing before. Thank god I did and thank god it's paid off handsomely! regards YN.
 
There is never an excuse for personal attacks but on a forum of this size unfortunately personality clashes are inevitable. That being said, I think ASF suffers from less of it than most other comparable forums.

On forums, as in life, we will come across people we dislike or who irritate us. This is simply a fact of life. But attacking or abusing them is completely unnecessary and simply puts the immaturity of the offender on display.

The hard part from the perspective of myself and the moderators is knowing where to draw the line. What is acceptable and what isn't? Personal abuse is one thing but is calling someone 'egotistical' crossing the line? Is calling someone 'ignorant' going too far? Perhaps. Sometimes its a hard call. And then there is the issue of provocation.

I don't want ASF to turn into a virtual police state where people are afraid to express themselves. But I also don't wish for this forum to degenerate into a place of acrimony and personal attacks. Those forums are a dime a dozen. It's a difficult balance to maintain, especially when everyone has different views on what is acceptable and what isn't.

The bottom line is that people need to show respect to others, irrespective of how they feel about their forum personas. If everyone did that there would be no problem. Don't attack or abuse others. It's that simple. Surely its not that difficult? There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with someone but attacking them doesn't serve any purpose. If you have something to say to someone, take it to PM's, don't post it in the public forums.

Anyone who consistently attacks others will eventually have their ASF account suspended. It's against the rules and is not the kind of atmosphere I want here.
 
Rubbish.

This wasnt/isnt a personality clash.
Have you seen me admonishing the persons methods or attacking him personally. By the last post on the closed thread I'd had enough

Yogi was/is under the impression that he can attempt to publically humiliate a poster,constantly and un relentingly with personal attacks--un related to the topic being posted---without recrimination.

The moderation of this type of behaviour is appalling.

2 weeks ago Joe Blow wrote this


Yet the attacks just kept coming on the next thread.Thats just pure NEGLIGENCE from a moderation veiwpoint.You know its happening but then ignore it!

If you have something to say to someone, take it to PM's, don't post it in the public forums.
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This just adds to the breading of bullying behaviour,condoning it provided its behind public veiw.So behind the scene's multiple personal arguements are condoned----great leadership guys.

I'm (and anyone else subjected to abuse) are supposed to sit by---- mouth zipped and cop it!!

If there is ZERO tolerance and moderated out it will die. From anyone me included.

Every poster can help by alerting moderators to this,Its at the top right of every post!

It appears that Julia and a few others got all twisted up when I mentioned the obscene $$s that can and are being made from the market particularly on the short term.
As way of illustration I used the monthly salaries of my employees.

Well its a fact of life and those who are or have been profitable will associate with the comments.

4 of those same employees are currently enjoying holidays with families in various parts of Australia with the compliments of my company (Basically me!). Ego again I suppose!!

Coyotte's comment above is just pure nonsence and provokative. I personally stated why I was not posting analysis any more---its lack of time,I need the time for other more important things (in my view).
Frankly those who teach can have it---its not worth the angst.

Moderators should moderate if there are any forms of abuse, provocation or diversion from a topic to a personal out burst in any way shape or form my veiw is ZERO tolerance.
 
coyotte said:
Convince your followers that a 50/50 strike rate is normal.
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Win rate is just one part of it.
Massive returns (Relative to initial investment) are possible with as low as 35% win rate particularly on longer term methodologies.

Sure a combination of Win rate and Reward to Risk both in the higher zones is the optimum.---maybe that will answer your cynicism---fortunately the challenge of the markets is constant and not beyond experience--regardless of level.
 
...and the thread starts all over again...is it groundhog day?

Let me guess yogi will be on soon to make his voice heard
 
If the hat fits then wear it Tech/A.

This site in general would appear to be basically for "long term position holders" -- note the word "trader" is not mentioned because I do not see this as trading in it's true sense ---- Trading requires "turnover".

As I was saying -- denounce your opponents methods -- Guppy, Wilson are basically "short term" avg 1 to 2 weeks a Position trade would avg a month.

Both these guys work off Price action with indicators if used at all as secondary verification only.

Yet all one sees here is implied reference to ONE method only GMMAs -- Guppy explains that this is for position trading only and not for target trading and unless U have attended a seminar on them U would probably be missing the finer points about them.

The strike rates I mentioned are directly from Guppy & Wilson --- Guppys Precision Pattern Trading for example ---- so tell these guys they are wrong.

The Trade I posted on LHG was a text book example of Guppy's Precision Pattern Trading -- this set up not only hit it's target but the same setup did so three times in as many months (the Stirrup trade did NOT -- but u should have made a profit) --- the chart U kindly posted about the initial setup was just typical OVER analysis for this type of trade.


Cheers
 
YELNATS said:
Spot on! As an ex-expat I found that only way to rise above this cringe was to strike out at 90 degrees and do something utterly different from what I was doing before. Thank god I did and thank god it's paid off handsomely! regards YN.
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Y,

Are you an ex-pat coming to Australia? Or an Aussie ex-pat O/S somewhere? What was your "90 degree strike-out" if you don't mind that I ask?
 
Personal attacks are never good but where is line to be drawn through criticism?

In all fairness to Tech/A I really have to say that for an obviously intelligent person, he sets himself up for a fall or at least a head clash. To expect to put himself out in the open and not expect someone to throw an egg is naive at a minimum. This isn't the first time that Tech has created a post that would galvanise people one way or the other. Something about a poll on am I more popular? I personally laughed so very hard that I thought it was a setup, especially when my young neice had only recently explained that a similar thig had gone on in her playground.
Maybe one should be able to post a "should I stay or he stay" style poll and only receive generic, happy comment. In real life, this will NEVER happen (bar being in a cult) and to expect a different result is bordering on delusion.

As much as people don't enjoy the tall poppy syndrome, it exists and if you want to put yourself in a compromising position, expect the worst. I'm not saying I condone it, but it happens. Some people thrive on the negitive feedback and need it to perform, others don't seem to take to kindly to it; you are never going to please everyone.

I'm now thinking I should just delete this post as I don't believe I've expressed myself very well at all, but I'll keep it here, safe in the knowledge I have no intention of trying to condemn anyone but just expressing my opinion the way I see it.


cheers,
 
Hey guys lets all take a chill pill. There are many trading methodologies out there that work so why all the "my system is better then everyone elses". As a trading amteur I have no idea what system works more effectively than another but I take on board any information that is thrown my way. Until you try a method how can you criticise it and remember what works for one person does not nessecerally always work for another.

This forum was established as a efficient way to trade ideas, opinion and strategies about the share market. It seems to me as a junior member that some senior members act like religious leader do attacking and chastising beliefs that do not coincide with their own. But in the end aren't we all trying to achieve the same thing "profits". How we get there is irrelevent.
 
exactly
 
Just as an observation, i never saw tech/a attack Yogi.

Yogi attacking tech/a, i saw plenty of.
 
nizar said:
Just as an observation, i never saw tech/a attack Yogi.

Yogi attacking tech/a, i saw plenty of.
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Agree with you nizar, in fact since I have been on this forum, have noticed yogi has criticized a few.
 
Stan 101--Bill.

No one including myself has objections to discussion relative to a topic.
Disagreement is fine,it gives a chance for the presenter to become clearer if necessary for some to understand.

Its the lack of ability for rational discussion which causes people to take PERSONAL SWIPES.

How can you expect clarification of points when the only point raised has nothing to do with the topic??

Yet all one sees here is implied reference to ONE method only GMMAs
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Coyotte

Sorry but I'm not with you at all on this? When did Guppy and Wilson methods get involved? Implied reference to Multiple Moving Averages?

With regard to LHG I still have the chart with the notes.
A trade with a 1:1 RR ratio is just not a trade I would take.
I presented my view. With reasoning .And you presented yours with your reasoning.
Trading in the middle of Corrective patterns isnt in my view the best place to be looking for profitable trades. Guppy/Wilson and no doubt yourself may disagree,but perhaps there are others who agree.

All of a sudden I'm taking on Guppy and Wilson??

I was un aware until now that there was any animosity between us.
 

I totally agree. Perhaps some of the moderators and senior members need to get together and produce a code of conduct specifically relating to criticism. One that is enforced.
 
There is an easy answer to all this. If the criticism is right then adjust. If it is not then just ignore it and it goes away. As they say, 2 wongs don't make a white. And remember "sticks and stones will break your bones but words will never hurt you."
 
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