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This argument only applies to migration as such, with people applying , checked, filtered and selected ( I came that way) with no access to centerlink benefits for a while etc...I doubt most people link this type of migration to islam, the ones who cause or will cause problem are "refugees"/humanitarian inflows and the clerics who come with/for them.No job hope ever, welfare drain and nothing to do but get marginalised and turn into bombers or crims....We don't really import unskilled labour. Most of Australia's migration is highly skilled. The Brexiters, who could hardly be considered a pro-immigration crowd, want "an Australian style points based migration system". Even in the US the more moderate tea partiers want the system Australia has (I was actually surprised they'd heard of it). I'm not all that in favour of unskilled migration. The employment outcomes are pretty terrible. It's not like in the 1960s and 1970s when unskilled labour could land at Mascot on a Sunday and have a factory job on Monday morning.
The race to the bottom has been going on for years.
Cheap labour, cheap materials, lower standards, the least possible training, the mess that is now called the Vocational Education and Training sector, run by shonky businesses offering diplomas to whoever can pay for others to sit their exams etc etc.
People have to realise that cheap isn't better, there is more to customer satisfaction than price.
If an uneducated, non-English speaking refugee could qualify for a job but a home-grown, English speaking Australian could not... I think the economic argument has long been lost.
We serious about a refugee stepping off the boat and heading into some cushy job any Australian would love to get but couldn't because businesses love refugees.
Refugees are most likely to be digging ditches, demolishing asbestos fibro houses...
Let's aim higher than a race to the bottom.
I had ignored this thread till I noticed this morning what an airing it is getting. Well done on that noco.
But alas the content a waste as I had presumed.
Since 9/11 two people have died on australian soil due to islamic terrorism.
In that time 25,000 have committedsuicide;
1,000 killed due to domestic violence;
3,000 murdered by fellow australians;
10,000 in car accidents, and
200 by falling off chairs.
Anyhow, enjoy fairyland.
"DIGGING DITCHES" ??????
Only those living before the 1950's would know what a pick and shovel was.
This the 21st century in case you have forgotten where we use back hoes and excavators.
Was that last night's wet dream.....Go to bed with a problem and wake up with the solution in hand.
Not all jobs make economic sense to hire excavators noco. A Kanga costs about $350/day to hire... an excavator with its operator costs around $600 half a day. So that, or $100 a day cash in hand.
Only looked at the thread today. Not a very nice comment ole Pal, considering I had my prostate removed 9 years back and one upshot, my missus deserting me a few years back
After 9/11 the seppos, instead of going after the percieved problem, instead went for Saddam who was backdooring oil to the north away from the west. I was personally involved in the protests against that way in fact.
Anyhow this war primarily destabilised the status quo and eventually it led to displaced people trying to get out and already radical people becoming even more radical.
So our dear Pauline (and perhaps yourself noco) needs to get into the real causes:
our capitalist society and its continued squeezing of the less well off.
Sorry to learn of your of your personal problems over the past 9 years.
So what are you suggesting??.....we would all be better off under a Labor socialist regime.....Central control.....Socialism (communism ) has been a proven failure my friend...Do some research into the Fabian Society failures...Start with the late Gough Whitlam, then Julia Gillard , Jenny Macklin and Chris Bowen.
So where did you get those stats on deaths?
noco said:Socialism (communism ) has been a proven failure my friend...Do some research into the Fabian Society failures...Start with the late Gough Whitlam, then Julia Gillard , Jenny Macklin and Chris Bowen.
You have no idea of costs...you are only guessing....A pick and shovel just $10 each.
AND THE LIBERALS WILL PRIVATISE MEDICARE !!!
Not suggesting who should run the show. Politicians only follow the money or who keeps them in seats.
I am suggesting that we should think of the actual value of real issues. Content ole Pal.
Like we're going to spend 50 billion on subs but state schools in poorer areas are falling apart and kids being taught in corridors. Cost to fix less than .01% of the subs, which we probably wont need when they do eventually sail anyway.
Some common sense please.
Have never been to Bali and would not if you paid me. Bali is very remote to our culture but if the dividers like Hansen prevail then I fear we will start heading down that track. Its like the war celebrating, Anzac etc., takes the minds away from real issues. Why not more on how to stop war, but no, that's how the seppos make thier money. Guns and oil.
AND THE LIBERALS WILL PRIVATISE MEDICARE !!!
I am sure you will eat those words come 2019 unfortunately I may not be around long enough to enjoy watching you.
Now honestly Rumpy who would buy a business that forks out $24 billion and rakes in $10 billion..
Have you ever been in business.?
You don't think that a monopolistic essential service is not an attractive business ?
Once it's sold the cost of health care will shoot through the roof and people either have to pay up or die.
That's what I call a captive market.
I really hope you did that as a jest I mean, seriously? And Shorten would be a great PM next?AND THE LIBERALS WILL PRIVATISE MEDICARE !!!
I really hope you did that as a jest I mean, seriously? An Shorten would be a great PM next?
Some people continually cr@p on about Fabianism and communism without so much of a rebuke by most here, can't I have a bit of fun by sticking it up them ?
Fair go mon ami, life is for living !
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