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OZL - Oz Minerals

If you vote yes than you expect:
1. Zinc prices to trade at or around current levels in the longer term &
2. Copper prices to be lower than current spot prices in the medium to longer term.

If you have any belief in the BRIC economies and there rapid industrialisation, especially that of China & India, wouldn’t you think that given one of the worst global recessions since the great depression of the 1930’s that metal prices have only recently just bottomed out? A large reason for metal price recovery in copper and zinc has been China stock piling as they realise they can grab a bargain at current prices, that won’t be around in a few years time and they know it.

For zinc I have devoted a whole thread to its potential over the coming years, with many major zinc mines due to close or reduce production as they exhaust all resources and close. Add to this the current global financial crises and its impact on zinc prices which has led to an industry wide closure or downsizing of zinc mines across the globe and deferred a number of plans for zinc mine developments. Many of these closures and deferments will require zinc prices to push and hold around the $US0.90-1.00 for a good length of time before any decision is made to reopen or restart development and exploration programs. This in turn implies when economic conditions turn and demand for metals starts to rise again there will be a significant shortfall of zinc. Hence the reason for Minmetals to pick up the assets of one of the worlds largest zinc producers. What better way to get hold of zinc supply.

I think the poor performance since the merger of the two companies to create OZ Minerals is attributable to one thing only “poor management”. The mining industry is very cyclical and goes through periods of downturn and hence the reason for good management to have plans in place to act swiftly when circumstances change. Questions like this have to be asked. Why was OZ management so slow to react to the downturn in zinc prices? From my following of the zinc industry OZ was one of the last to react to falling metal prices. Instead of significantly curtailing or re-sizing operations along with reducing CAPEX (particularly at Century) to stop the bleeding of cash flow, it continued producing significant quantities of zinc at a hefty loss. Only months after every other zinc company made significant changes did OZ finally decide to curtail production and when it did it was almost insignificant. Development expenditure on Prominent Hill was not the main reason for cash outflow, it was Century!!!

The Chinese are very intelligent people and very conservative investors, when they see an opportunity as cheap as this one they pounce. Look around people, China Inc is investing everywhere in zinc from the bigger end of town OZ Minerals and Perilya to the smaller end of Kagara and Terramin. Each of these companies has significant zinc assets. And why is China getting into these companies, because they see what the future holds from both a financial point of view and in terms of securing supply well into the future.

I don’t hold any OZ shares and never have, but have followed it very closely over the years with great interest and intent of investing. From my point of view I couldn’t care less whether you vote for or against the Minmetals bid, but I think it’s good to take a step back and have a look at the long term picture as I think many of you are not even looking to the future. The OZ board and management have let you all down greatly since the merger (it’s a disgrace really) so why would you trust their recommendation now? They too only have their sights set on the short term! People forget how profitable Century, Rosebery and Golden Grove can be, and I think in the years to come they will be just as profitable at the height of the boom times.

Good luck on making your decision.
 
All good points, GREENS but shareholders in OZL don't have the luxury of being able to take the long, considered view at this time. OZL is heavily in debt to a consortium of banks who are demanding their money back and only reluctantly agreeing to month by month stays of execution on the strength of a very firm offer to take them out by Minmetals.

Other solutions havn't materialised, the latest offer looks equally unattractive to shareholders. At least the Minmetals deal will leave a viable company with the big, valuable Prominent Hill mine, only now hitting its straps, and a bundle of cash to the tune of $500m odd. In my view, that's a lot better than taking our chances in administration where the driving imperative will be not to maximise returns to shareholders but achieving enough to pay the banks their money.

Disc: Small shareholding.
 
I voted NO...

The people who will be laughing all the way to the bank are the "fee collectors" and scumbags who caused the GFC not too long ago. CBA has been very generously telling OZL they will go easy on them, but, this bas**** is the one who forced OZL into such difficult situation in the first place. What's its fee from this new deal this time? I think they are all an opportunistic bunch of leeches. And I hate leeches.

Do they really believe in OZL and its assets and fair value? Crap! Not too long ago, if they wanted they could have bought OZL at a song plus PH without any objection from FIRB. They could have easily made billion if they are genuine. But they lack the capital and they lack guts. The risk was too high back then, and are you going to believe them that the risk going forward is not going to be just as high? Take a look at the long term bond in the US!

If CBA can pull the plug previously, there is no guarantee that they won't pull the plug again. It all boils down to whether it suits them and to their advantage while the risk associated with the deal is low. Yes, while the perception at this point is all good, all low risk, etc but there is no guarantee on that, especially risk. The one that is taking all the risk are the small share holders who had been holding OZL all these while, and what is their cost? They are the ones who are being scammed before, and now they are being scammed one more time.

Anyway, to cut it short, the plot from these people are pretty obvious and opportunistic, get in the ride, squeeze for the maximum, exit and bye bye. They are no risk taker and the interest charges from the financiers will make sure they will flog OZL in no time at all, and then we will see OZL going through the whole saga of looking for rescue one more time?

But this time, the Chinese won't be around. They don't usually forget if you do not know by now.

It's a big YES for me.
 
Good points Greens. Michael-less didn't hedge and now because he has a cozy setup and is selling off the company for a song. Of course it's all in the best interests of shareholders. :crap::bowdown: :screwy: Yeah right!!

Who thinks a future Minmetals/Perliya tie-up is on the cards? ;)

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. :cautious:
 
The people who will be laughing all the way to the bank are the "fee collectors" and scumbags who caused the GFC not too long ago. CBA has been very generously telling OZL they will go easy on them, but, this bas**** is the one who forced OZL into such difficult situation in the first place. What's its fee from this new deal this time? I think they are all an opportunistic bunch of leeches. And I hate leeches.

Your right there haunting there are leeches involved. But remember OZL management has a few ticks on it's board as well. It is also important to note that at least leeches can be used in operative procedures to remove disease, but ticks well, there nothing other than a bunch of parasites piggy-backing on shareholders in this instance. So if the CBA can work operatively as a leech to remove the tick, that is parasitically surviving and diminishing the value of the company.

THEN,

I take the leech over a tick any day. :D

I vote NO.
 
Below is a list of reports on China. Much of them have very little to do with OZL, sorry if you feel they are inappropriate in this thread. What I like to point out is the economic relationship between China and Australia and the consequence if it is mishandled. At this point, my feeling is it has been badly mishandled. And yet, if you were to read through these reports, you won't believe any of the writer has a tinge of concern of retaliation from China, barring John G.

Most believe Australia has what China needed, so they will come back, and they will, and they want to invest here regardless. Correct? I hope so. And I hope all these writers are right and they know what they are talking about.

If you subscribe to the media in the past few months on Chinalco is a state controlled enterprise then you will have to buy this argument that if Chinalco were to feel betrayed and screwed by RIO and indirectly or directly by the OZ govt, then all it needs is for someone high up in the state to take offence with the Chinalco treatment and decide to retaliate against RIO, BHP and Australia, economically speaking. Is this scenario possible? (That's what happened to Tiananmen because of one man, Li Peng who was dead fast against the students and hell bent to smash the "revolt", so, there's no guarantee that such a person doesn't exist right now in the Chinese politburo. We will never know.)

Assuming the worst and let's ask these questions:

1) if the Chinese steel mills were to buy (like being ordered) bulk of their iron ore from Vale (say 80/20 or 70/30), what would that do to both BHP, RIO and the Aussie economy?

2) if the Chinese were to arrange a deal with Vale through the Brazilian President Lula, a long term negotiated trade, what would that do to the Aussie export?

3) if the Chinese were to channel all their foreign investments away from Australia (due to FIRB rules and its lack of transparency) and concentrate them in South America, Central Asia and Africa, what would that do to the local small mines and the loss of job?

All conjectures. None is true and there's no proof. But I will be watching the Chinese closely in the next 6 months, their actions will tell. Till then, don't rest easy. Don't kid yourself they are not hurting and they love Australia like you do.

Never take your Chinese friend for granted.
Never take your Chinese enemy for granted.
And never take your Chinese customer for granted, especially when they buy half of what you sell.

Without the Chinese business, the Aussie economy would have been under water like the rest of the Anglo Saxon economies. Right now, the good will between the two countries has been damaged, there is no telling if they will react pragmatically or irrationally. So if you want to build a rosy future of the local economy you better not include the Chinese in it because they are now a wild card.

Just wait and see.

Australia's Baltic burden

Fresh China push for steel consolidation likely

Chinalco exit opens way to others

Part one of the Rio revenge likely to see China steer investment beyond Australia
 
And that's the beauty of a democracy isn't it?

China wants all the trimmings of the free market but without democracy for it's own people.

Well, I bought shares in an Australian company.

I'm just paying my way and having my say.

As a shareholder who feels like he's been ripped-off in a deal to line the pockets
of failed management.

It's great to be able to VOTE ;)
 
Andrew Michelmore plans to go with Minmetals, so he is now being asked to act against the interests of his future employer. I have 100 per cent confidence that he will play this game in the interests of OZ Minerals shareholders, even though it might not be in his own personal interest.

Both Andrew Michelmore and Barry Cusack have done a wonderful job in getting OZ Minerals to this point.

But remember, my first point is important. Leaving aside bank pressure, what is the best deal for OZ Minerals shareholders?

I'll give Gottliebsen's article the benefit of the doubt as a piece of business satire, especially the bit about Michelmore & Cusack having done a "wonderful job".

If Michelmore is planning to go to Minmetals, how can he continue as the chief executive of OZL? A clear case of conflict of interest so the Chairman needs to terminate him forthwith.

As a substantial holder of OZL (previously both ZFX and OZR) now I have even less faith in OZL's management, in terms of making a good decision about its' future.
 
What is the date for voting?

http://www.businessspectator.com.au...abotage-pd20090608-STFB8?OpenDocument&src=kgb

Published 9:51 PM, 8 Jun 2009
Last update 9:51 PM, 8 Jun 2009
Robert Gottliebsen
OZ in self-sabotage?

The board of OZ Minerals have before them three bidders, all of which are putting forward proposals that are promising, but have serious gaps and deficiencies.

Every other board in the country would sit down with bidders and negotiate to improve their offer. This is the point I made in my earlier commentary (OZ Minerals' new direction, June 8).

But the board of OZ Minerals has decided not to negotiate, choosing instead to stick with the grossly inadequate Minmetals offer. Why would a board that has so far looked after its shareholders suddenly seem to be acting against their interests?

As I understand it, they decided that the statement of Commonwealth Bank chief executive Ralph Norris to Business Spectator (Giving OZ a chance, June 6) was not sufficient to break away from the Minmetals bid. What OZ Minerals wanted was an assurance from the banking syndicate that the rug would not be pulled from under them, or an assurance from Norris that he would cover any renegade banks in the syndicate (there are two foreign banks who want their money).

As of Monday evening, OZ Minerals had not received that assurance. The board has been sailing close to the wind for months and were not prepared to risk being put into administration by starting new negotiations. It is also highly likely that Minmetals played hard ball.

OZ Minerals is probably more solvent than half the companies on the ASX list. It is in wonderful shape with a $300 million annual cash flow.

I have seen lots of situations where companies close to the brink are cornered, but I have never seen a prosperous company in this predicament.

If the directors believe they are unable to act in the interests of shareholders by conducting an auction, then maybe the company is better off in administration where the administrator either conducts the auction and/or restructures the company in the interests of shareholders (and the banks).

Administration is of course a high risk course, but when a board is so powerless that it cannot negotiate with its bidders to get the best deal for shareholders, maybe it is time to consider the option of putting in an administrator who will have that power.
 
The announcement actually said CEO Andrew Michelmore wasn't involved in the decision to reject the new proposals.


"...The board voted that neither of the two proposals offered superior value to shareholders than the offer from Minmetals. Chief executive Andrew Michelmore did not participate in discussions, OZ Minerals said, so as to ensure there was no actual or perceived conflict of interest..."
 
Having now studied OZL's announcement re the two last minute proposals I'm not surprised that the board rejected Proposal A out of hand.
There's not enough detail on Proposal B to come to the same firm conclusion but mention of the proposed fee of $87m leads me to think that, like Proposal A, it too was an incomplete, opportunistic attempt to take advantage of a vulnerable situation.
 
I see the recapitalisation would involve issuing 2,647m new shares ( at what price? who to? ), added to the existing 3,121m shares.
" Post recapitalisation, with the the Sale Assets retained, OZL indicative value is estimated at 92cps."

Oddly enough, that's about where the existing shares are trading. I wonder what Macquarie propose the issue price of the new shares should be?
 
The key is the so called "valuation", and it varies. How much does an asset worth? Once the deal is off, and if there's no buyer around willing to make an offer, it could worth as low as 40c. Right now it is trading at 92.5c, a clear reflection that the funds and the big boys are playing it up. They will be the eventual big winners. The big losers, as usual, are the small investors. I got bulk of mine at around <50c (as suggested in another forum), so I can live with all these craps.

But as a long term play, these leeches shouldn't be given any chance of success as this will only encourage them more. They are in for the money, for themselves, and there's nothing for those who are thinking of long term and in a bigger longer picture, they muddy the image of mining industry here in Australia and could potentially jeopardise future investment into the sector. They are the people who give Aussie mining sector a bad name, these leeches and their hired guns. jmv.

In any case, vote what you like since as pointed out the "beauty" here is you can vote. I have voted mine, next I will collect my due. I am taking a short term approach here and couldn't careless who win or who lose - oops, I actually care, I hate these leeches and ex-master of universe.
 
The announcement actually said CEO Andrew Michelmore wasn't involved in the decision to reject the new proposals.


"...The board voted that neither of the two proposals offered superior value to shareholders than the offer from Minmetals. Chief executive Andrew Michelmore did not participate in discussions, OZ Minerals said, so as to ensure there was no actual or perceived conflict of interest..."

I know that, but it does still seem peculiar that;

1. for reasons of an actual or a perceived conflict of interest, the chief executive is not able to participate in discussions of such importance to the company. My point is that they need to appoint a chief executive who is able to participate in such discussions.

2. in the absence of any information to the contrary, apparently Michelmore would be presumably able to return to his old job, if they do not go ahead with the Minmetals proposal.:confused:
 
I know that, but it does still seem peculiar that;

1. for reasons of an actual or a perceived conflict of interest, the chief executive is not able to participate in discussions of such importance to the company. My point is that they need to appoint a chief executive who is able to participate in such discussions.

2. in the absence of any information to the contrary, apparently Michelmore would be presumably able to return to his old job, if they do not go ahead with the Minmetals proposal.:confused:


It's all a bit late for that. The "proposals " were received late last week and the vote is tomorrow!
In the circumstances it's only right that M shouldn't be involved in discussion or decision on a matter in which he is so intimately involved.
Yes, I'd imagine that all bets are off if the Minmetals deal falls through and M carries on as before.
 
Announcement out re the offers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The announcement does give good reasons why the new offers are inferior to the MM offer. However it may still be that the fat lady is still rehearsing the tune and it may bring out a better offer. The deal is still in play as I see it. The worst that will happen is the MM bid to succeed and that is still OK as we still will have PH and cash. We will have new managemant and a new board so all is not lost. We just have not gained as much as was possible. Tomorrow is a new day with distinct new possibilities.

OZ is still worth more than the current SP regardless of tomorrows outcome.That is how I am looking at the picture DYOR
 
It's all a bit late for that. The "proposals " were received late last week and the vote is tomorrow!
In the circumstances it's only right that M shouldn't be involved in discussion or decision on a matter in which he is so intimately involved.
Yes, I'd imagine that all bets are off if the Minmetals deal falls through and M carries on as before.

Exactly. There is no point in getting a new CEO now as you can't expect the new CEO that is a few days in the job to come up with a reasonable suggestion.
If the deal didn't eventuate, I don't think he will stay.
There is still no offer on the table yet. The document shown by businessspectator is not being released. Actually, I don't understand what is it for Macquarie to come up with that proposal if it is not getting a cut.. is it a major shareholder itself? Why would they want to risk offending the Chinese if they don't get anything in the deal??
 
The board has been sailing close to the wind for months and were not prepared to risk being put into administration by starting new negotiations. It is also highly likely that Minmetals played hard ball.

OZ Minerals is probably more solvent than half the companies on the ASX list. It is in wonderful shape with a $300 million annual cash flow.

I have seen lots of situations where companies close to the brink are cornered, but I have never seen a prosperous company in this predicament.

If the directors believe they are unable to act in the interests of shareholders by conducting an auction, then maybe the company is better off in administration where the administrator either conducts the auction and/or restructures the company in the interests of shareholders (and the banks).

The way I see it now, OZL managment is very shaky and entirely risk averse will probably go with the Minmetals offer, on the basis of "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush".
 
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