The difference is if the bank lent out the ten from 1 then had the ten deposited to them they would then be able to lend out 100 if this was redeposited the 1000 and so on they would have no limit and be lending money they dont have collecting the full interest and principle instead of the spread and would have no cost of funding issues and no counterparty risk on default there is huge difference. i dont see why people have such an issue with the banks having full utility or whatever the fraction is on the money they are paying for the privelage of everyone else does. do you see the differencr now you confusing deposits with reserve and creation with velocity. no one is creating anything. you cant lend money you dont have!
The point is the bank can't lend against the 10.. It has already lent against the 1 to create about 9 (1x 0.9x 0.81 etc) but only if depositors (who got the money from the person who borrowed from the bank in the first place) keep banking the reducing value.. If the money gets kept under the mattress at home (rather than going back into the bank) then there is a problem as the banks can't source the funds to make other transactions (lending, paying other depositors who want their money)..
The trouble with the Greek/Spanish etc etc is that the assets held (to represent the $1 they hold to create additional lending) have hit the wall and aren't worth $1 anymore.. That is why the ECB (I believe) is swapping these toxic assets for government bonds with the banks so that they can continue to function..
Money out of thin air doesnt add up.
You make it sound like the money doesnt exist if the banks call in all loans they will have enough to pay all deposits its all accounted for there is no conspiracy
If the Australian banks called in all loans, Australia would suffer the biggest and most violent property crash in the history of the world, and they would in minutes be rendered insolvent, and taxpayers would be under the hook for almost half a trillion dollars in debt just to foreign banks - not to mention being liable for all of their own deposits through their future tax obligations (as well as their children's, and their children's children, etc). And that's in the highly optimistic scenario that the world would still want to lend to our federal government - which by now would have hundreds of percent public debt to GDP.
Banks borrow alot of money against property which is valued at a certain $ if all the loans were called in property would crash and that value on the assets that the banks borrow against would not be attainable
here is a hint if they could create money out of thin air and lend it they would profit not only the total interest but the principal aswell.
That is not correct.
In the above example which you failed to address, the Commonwealth Bank is still liable to pay you the $1 million if you withdraw it from their bank.
For every dollar created out of thin air, an equivalent deposit is created.
Im sparticus, if you prefer we can use the term "credit creation" instead of "creating money out of thin air".
No with frb the bank can only loan 90c in the dollar with 10c going in reserve if that 90c gets redeposited the bank can lend 81c and so on if no more deposits are made or funds raised the bank is done lending big difference. you cant lend money you dont have
The difference is if the bank lent out the ten from 1 then had the ten deposited to them they would then be able to lend out 100 if this was redeposited the 1000 and so on they would have no limit and be lending money they dont have collecting the full interest and principle instead of the spread and would have no cost of funding issues and no counterparty risk on default there is huge difference.
Im sparticus,
You say banks cant lend out money they do not have.
Address this situation please.
Say the Commonwealth bank is all maxed out on a particular day and according to you can not make a new loan.
I walk in to the bank and ask for a loan to buy a property off you Im sparticus for $1 million.
The bank ignores your advice not to lend money it does not have and proceeds to write me a bank cheque in favour of you for the $1 million.
Now if you happen to bank with the Commonwealth bank, you present the cheque and your account is credited with $1 million dollars.
The result is I have a debt (mortgage) of $1 million and pay interest at say 7 %, you have a deposit of $1 million (say term deposit) and receive interest at say 5 %. The bank has created $1 million dollars out of thin air and makes the spread of approximately 2 %.
What they just gave you a million with nothing as security?
Hence my comment above. Banks tend not to make unsecured loans so in your example quack to borrow a million you'd have to stump up some security...which changes the banks ability to lend....because they now have the ability to use your security as their security...minus their capital adequacy requirements.
Make sense?
Sir O
all beside the point
fact still remains you cant lend money you dont have!
Read back the only faulse statements on the banking system have been your own they even contradict your latest statement, ever get the feeling you have something growing on your forehead scm??
how do you lend money you dont have without increasing the monetary base?
ok here goes just because the money supply is inflated by 9x during frb does not mean the bank can take x dollars and lend/create 9x against it, it means they can lend 9/10ths of it (whats really unfair is that they have to pay the utility of 10/10ths in interest on it but at a lower rate than they lend ofcourse) never in the process do they create funds or lend money they dont have.
all your posts have ever taught me and anyone else for that matter is that you lack the ability to count have know idea what your on about with pretty much everything. i feel so sorry for you evertime you post its not even fun anymore.
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