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Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Never thought any of these targets would be hit. Glad I didnt try to catch this knife.

Fundamentals I never understood on this stock except that Mt Gee had previous issues for previous owners?
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

I held for too long actually as I believed in the funny's too much. The company and it's managers are in deep doo doo by the look. Luckily at the time I was just playing technicals as there was some unertainty in Mt Gee. ie, A Red Footed Booby Reserve, or something... On the other hand, the company were reporting one of the best resources in the country with huge potential to expand. Then, they brought out downgrades. Who brings out a downgrade when the resource is supposed to be developing through resource expansion drilling that was hitting great widths and grades?? :confused: My appologies for being so bullish early on. I hope I never led anyone astray. I always call it as I see it, even with stocks I own.

Mate,

I don't really think you can be held accountable for your views on this stock. I seem to recall relatively recently you said you "were not convinced by the fundamentals of this stock", or words to that effect. At the end of the day, it is up to each individual investor to make his or her mind up as the merits of a particular stock, DYOR never rang so clearly....

jman
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Mate,

I don't really think you can be held accountable for your views on this stock. I seem to recall relatively recently you said you "were not convinced by the fundamentals of this stock", or words to that effect. At the end of the day, it is up to each individual investor to make his or her mind up as the merits of a particular stock, DYOR never rang so clearly....

jman
Yeah, you're right. I was presenting the good and bad and advised I sold when I did which was a long time ago. I think shareholders have been let down by the company actually. Maybea takeover and the new owners can get it right...Good luck long termers.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Good luck long termers.

Yeah .... unfortunately, they will need a lot of it.

Mike "the Magnificent" Rann, whilst being very pro-mining in SA, has the luxury of :-

a) the BHP mega-expansion of Roxby Downs
b) Oxiana's Prominent Hill startup
c) Australia's fourth uranium mine at Honeymoon

etc etc etc

He is "at the right place at the right time", what with SA experiencing a mini WA-type boom in terms of jobs, population, housing etc.

So why would good-news Mike risk his electoral standing by going to bed with the naughty Marathon boys!

Just read between the lines ..... he is not saying yes and he is not saying no ..... http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23082213-5006787,00.html

I just think that the slim chance Marathon may have had has become just that much slimmer!!!
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

I held for too long actually as I believed in the funny's too much. The company and it's managers are in deep doo doo by the look. Luckily at the time I was just playing technicals as there was some unertainty in Mt Gee. ie, A Red Footed Booby Reserve, or something... On the other hand, the company were reporting one of the best resources in the country with huge potential to expand. Then, they brought out downgrades. Who brings out a downgrade when the resource is supposed to be developing through resource expansion drilling that was hitting great widths and grades?? :confused: My appologies for being so bullish early on. I hope I never led anyone astray. I always call it as I see it, even with stocks I own.

I don't see how any of this was your fault... The sentiment at the time it was going up was all is good, we will mine... August hit us and then we remembered this little and most important post provided by our good friend Kgee...

https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=36988&postcount=16

Oh better move our money somewhere else...

Your suffering, stop it!
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

SA suspends Marathon mining operation

February 12, 2008 - 5:04PM

A uranium mining operation in a wilderness sanctuary in South Australia's Flinders Ranges has been suspended indefinitely after the unauthorised dumping of waste.

"Some parts of our state are just too precious to mine - Mt Gee is clearly one of those."

Full story here

Just a few snippets of the full story.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

SA suspends Marathon mining operation

February 12, 2008 - 5:04PM

A uranium mining operation in a wilderness sanctuary in South Australia's Flinders Ranges has been suspended indefinitely after the unauthorised dumping of waste.

"Some parts of our state are just too precious to mine - Mt Gee is clearly one of those."

Full story here

Just a few snippets of the full story.
This is going to be real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, ugly tomorrow morning...
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

This is going to be real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, ugly tomorrow morning...

I agree with that. Without the Mt Gee tenements the company does not hold very much at all. Slump today seems like some people in the know getting back some cash while they can.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

This is going to be real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, real, ugly tomorrow morning...

OMG!....:eek:

I simply cannot believe how MTN has gone from one of the darlings of the ASX to a stock that simply no-one wants to own now. By the sounds of it, a few of the MTN staff might be better off looking for a new employer if this article is the real deal. Like other ASF members, I used to dream about owning this stock when it was flying high, now I am so glad I never bought into the hype.

Here's a question, when do people think the project went from "highly likely, with a few teething concerns"...to now "almost definitely not viable over the short-med term"?

Thanks
jman
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

SA suspends Marathon mining operation

February 12, 2008 - 5:04PM

A uranium mining operation in a wilderness sanctuary in South Australia's Flinders Ranges has been suspended indefinitely after the unauthorised dumping of waste.

"Some parts of our state are just too precious to mine - Mt Gee is clearly one of those."

Full story here

Just a few snippets of the full story.

And what do you know, finally reality comes home to roost.....

Honestly, I don't know how many people on this forum laughed at me when MTN was $6.00 and I said there wasn't a hope in hell that they would get a mine going in the flinders.... albeit MTN's lazy management appears to have sped the process up. If there's any volume, shorting this one would yield a substantial return tomorrow - if CFD providers will actually let you do it..... Here's hoping many here heeded my warnings only a couple of weeks ago and are out of this stock.....

Cheers
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

"Some parts of our state are just too precious to mine - Mt Gee is clearly one of those."

What does the illegal dumping of waste have to do with mining? Sounds like someone with a bias against mining at Mt Gee was all too happy to suspend them.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

"Some parts of our state are just too precious to mine - Mt Gee is clearly one of those."

What does the illegal dumping of waste have to do with mining? Sounds like someone with a bias against mining at Mt Gee was all too happy to revoke their licence.

I hope that I am wrong and if I am does this now mean someone else can swoop in and take out a licence on the same area? Could MTN? Indefinite is a long time, but in this day and age where life is a few years behind bars, indefinite to me means 'no time frame for renewal, but it could happen'.

"What does the illegal dumping of waste have to do with mining?"

Aaaah....at a guess I'd say "how about everything?!"

Mate, you can't be serious, even myself as a pro-mining lobbyist know when the line in the sand has been well and truly crossed. There is a time and a place for uranium mining, and clearly the Flinders Range is not it. I don't particularly want to be taking my grandchildren for a walk (when I'm grey and old) in a environmentally protected area and then around the corner fall into a disused mine shaft, or be skirting around contaminated waste dumps.

If companies had such a blatant disregard for environmental codes, then every gold company between Perth and Halls Creek would be running of their cyanide-contaminated tailings into the bush...clearly not an ideal situation. Don't underestimate the power of environmental opposition, MTN did and they paid the price.

jman
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

"What does the illegal dumping of waste have to do with mining?"

Aaaah....at a guess I'd say "how about everything?!"

Mate, you can't be serious, even myself as a pro-mining lobbyist know when the line in the sand has been well and truly crossed. There is a time and a place for uranium mining, and clearly the Flinders Range is not it. I don't particularly want to be taking my grandchildren for a walk (when I'm grey and old) in a environmentally protected area and then around the corner fall into a disused mine shaft, or be skirting around contaminated waste dumps.

If companies had such a blatant disregard for environmental codes, then every gold company between Perth and Halls Creek would be running of their cyanide-contaminated tailings into the bush...clearly not an ideal situation. Don't underestimate the power of environmental opposition, MTN did and they paid the price.

jman

Couldn't say it better myself Jman, sustainable mining that protects the land when exploring/extracting is crucial...

Shinobi, I'm sensing your not a South Australian and you probably haven't experienced the beauty of the Flinders - because if you were/had, I don't think you would have said what you did......

Cheers
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Can someone tell me why there isn't an announcement this morning about the licence being revoked? News report also by ABC online. Is it truth or fiction, or have I missed something?
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Can someone tell me why there isn't an announcement this morning about the licence being revoked? News report also by ABC online. Is it truth or fiction, or have I missed something?
Check the last MTN ann Grace. That's how the company have spun the order by the Gov to cease drilling until they've cleaned up etc etc. Hard to tell the truth from spin here...:confused: I need to read it again, but they made it sound like it was their decision....:confused: :confused:
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

LOL, the 'official' ASX statement (market sensitive) starts like this:

ASX STATEMENT

MARATHON RESOURCES – MT GEE PROJECT UPDATE

Marathon Resources Limited (ASX: MTN) provides the following update on operations at its Mt Gee uranium project in the northern Flinders Ranges, South Australia.

Marathon Chairman, Mr Peter Williams, said the Company had essentially completed currently authorised drilling activity at Mt Gee, and following discussions with the South Australian Government, had decided to demobilise the four rigs currently at the project.

Two of the rigs have already completed operations and had been released from the site. “With our normal exploration cut-off looming, we have completed sufficient drilling to enable us to conduct the next exploration phase, including environmental and other studies, and we have assembled
the required technical details for continued mine planning work,” Mr Williams said.

Mr Williams said Marathon recognised the concerns expressed by the State Government and others into the manner in which the Company disposed of exploration materials at Mt Gee, and would suspend drilling operations until the matter was clarified.

Nothing in there about the Gov decision, and they've tried to make it sound like it was there decsion to pull up stumps....


Then the media release, not sensitive:

MARATHON RESOURCES TO REMEDIATE DISPOSAL SITES

Marathon Resources Limited (ASX: MTN) today accepted the restrictions imposed on the company by the State Government after investigations conducted by PIRSA and the EPA.

I'm not sure of the timing between these two anns, but it seems clear that the Gov had told them to stop drilling and clear off, but in the first ann they're tried to make it look like it was their decision and they were leaving anyway...:confused:
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Thanks Kennas. I'm still very confused about the whole thing. I would have thought a big dumping in MTN (more than my screen shows).
I own some AGS nextdoor, so that is my interest (threw MTN out a long time ago thank goodness!).
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

//rant on

I'm talking about this particular persons statement in trying to take it from about one company's actions into an issue about whether any part of Mt Gee should be mined/explored or not. not illegal dumping in general. Just because one company has broken its obligations to take care of waste in accordance with the law it shouldnt mean that all mining/exploration at MtGee should be banned which is what somebody was trying to turn the event into.

But I now see who made that statement and I'm not surprised that he said that.

The issues at hand are:

what MTN has done and what effect it has had on the environment (long and short term). What measures have been taken to prevent this from occurring again? What needs to be changed and who will take responsibility for this?, punishment and corrective actions to recover the waste etc.

Whether Mt Gee should be mined/explored at all is a completely separate issue and should not have been in the article. Again, one company's actions at Mt Gee does not represent what everyone else in the area is doing.

It is a bit extreme to say all mining in a area should be banned because of one company breaking the law, and if he held that opinion long beforehand, (which it sounds like he does) I think it was inappropriate to have it in the article. You know what hes going to say anyway. What was the point of having his third party opinion in there anyway? To shore up his support at the next election?

//rant off

I'm surprised at how robustly MTN's price has performed today. It only dropped a bit and then rallied back up towards the end of the day. I don't think the full story has got to everyone yet. ;)
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

//rant on

I'm talking about this particular persons statement in trying to take it from about one company's actions into an issue about whether any part of Mt Gee should be mined/explored or not. not illegal dumping in general. Just because one company has broken its obligations to take care of waste in accordance with the law it shouldnt mean that all mining/exploration at MtGee should be banned which is what somebody was trying to turn the event into.

But I now see who made that statement and I'm not surprised that he said that.

The issues at hand are:

what MTN has done and what effect it has had on the environment (long and short term). What measures have been taken to prevent this from occurring again? What needs to be changed and who will take responsibility for this?, punishment and corrective actions to recover the waste etc.

Whether Mt Gee should be mined/explored at all is a completely separate issue and should not have been in the article. Again, one company's actions at Mt Gee does not represent what everyone else in the area is doing.

It is a bit extreme to say all mining in a area should be banned because of one company breaking the law, and if he held that opinion long beforehand, (which it sounds like he does) I think it was inappropriate to have it in the article. You know what hes going to say anyway. What was the point of having his third party opinion in there anyway? To shore up his support at the next election?

//rant off

I'm surprised at how robustly MTN's price has performed today. It only dropped a bit and then rallied back up towards the end of the day. I don't think the full story has got to everyone yet. ;)

I was surprised that it didn't fall more as well Shinobi.......

Perhaps every was too busy selling the financials all day they didn't have time to sell down MTN :D.... Because, regardless of whether exploration starts up again a Mt Gee (and personally I don't think it should, but that is just my opinion), I don't think MTN will be carrying it out............ Watch for an EPA fine shortly.......

Cheers
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

//rant on

I'm talking about this particular persons statement in trying to take it from about one company's actions into an issue about whether any part of Mt Gee should be mined/explored or not. not illegal dumping in general. Just because one company has broken its obligations to take care of waste in accordance with the law it shouldnt mean that all mining/exploration at MtGee should be banned which is what somebody was trying to turn the event into.

But I now see who made that statement and I'm not surprised that he said that.

The issues at hand are:

what MTN has done and what effect it has had on the environment (long and short term). What measures have been taken to prevent this from occurring again? What needs to be changed and who will take responsibility for this?, punishment and corrective actions to recover the waste etc.

Whether Mt Gee should be mined/explored at all is a completely separate issue and should not have been in the article. Again, one company's actions at Mt Gee does not represent what everyone else in the area is doing.

It is a bit extreme to say all mining in a area should be banned because of one company breaking the law, and if he held that opinion long beforehand, (which it sounds like he does) I think it was inappropriate to have it in the article. You know what hes going to say anyway. What was the point of having his third party opinion in there anyway? To shore up his support at the next election?

//rant off

I'm surprised at how robustly MTN's price has performed today. It only dropped a bit and then rallied back up towards the end of the day. I don't think the full story has got to everyone yet. ;)

I'm with reece55 here,

I don't think the Mt Ghee area should be mined at all, whether it's Marathon Resources or the Pink and Purple Polka-dot Uranium Company. As I said before I am all for mining in an environmentally and socially responsible manner, but imo to put our short-term financial rewards ahead of preserving an area of beauty for future generations....well it is just plain selfish, and it leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.

Remember MTN didn't voluntarily release that they had committed a breach, it was members of the public who found this waste first. This demonstrates that people in the company or associated with it, if not the Directors then employees associated with the recent drilling, couldn't give two s$$$s about the Flinders Range.

Shinobi, you said that "whether Mt Gee should be mined/explored at all is a completely separate issue". I really don't have a clue what you mean, because it has everything to do with it. MTN have clearly shown they are not capable of operating in a environmentally responsible manner, and that's all there is to it. The risk of further breaches would be massively increased if this turned into a mining operation, with many more personnel, equipment, and reagents on site.

It is unfortunate for other companies in the area who are operating according to the law, but ultimately their fate may already have also been determined due to the actions of one rogue company.

jman
 
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