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Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Firstly mmmmming, thank you for your efforts in putting this post together. Cheers.

I have a few retorts however, aimed at trying to accuartely determine what MTN should be valued at now, or into the future.

I will raise just one at this time, which has been glossed over a little, but will significantly effect your valuation. That is, dilution of the stock due to the need to raise funds, or take on a JV partner, in order to get to production. The company has stated that this will cost somewhere between $100 and $200m. (PDN took $92m at old prices) So, for just a start, can you please revise your valuation based on that? Or, if this should not be a factor, I would be happy for someone to refute this. :)

It certainly is a factor and only one of many that need to be considered now and in the future.

With such high price targets being thrown around this thread it is important to analyse every company and project in a case by case study because every deposit is different. Simply comparing it to peers on an EV/lb basis who are in production already or still explorers should carry no weight imo.

The true cost of uranium mining can only be known once the ore body has been well delineated, grade distributions have been logged and the deposit geology is fully understood.
With underground mining, many cost implications flow from the determination of the geometry of the ore body, the ground conditions and the presence or lack of groundwater.

So far we have only been given MTN`s summary of the scoping study which has indicated that the way forward is with an underground mine.
I guess we will see the full study in 3 months with the resource upgrade.

In general, it is more difficult to predict the operating issues that will be encountered in an underground mine.
Poorer than anticipated ground conditions often leads to higher ground support, manpower, ventilation and equipment requirements for a given production rate, and the topology of the Flinders Ranges is far from ideal.
This can be accompanied by lower than expected ore grades due to excessive ore body dilution.
Dilution can then impact the revenue stream if the mill cannot process higher tonnage rates to compensate.

Proposed underground mines therefore deserve significant project scrutiny.

Cost correlations to grade are self explanatory, the lower the grade, the greater the volume of barren material which must be removed and processed so that the contained uranium can be extracted.

In MTN`s case thats about 45 million tonnes of ore to be processed and given a target of 1000 tonnes of U3O8 a year, the plant will have to process about 4,500 tonnes of ore body per day (24/7) to meet production targets (assuming an average grade of 0.06%)

As a comparison, the Sweetwater Mill in Wyoming is an acid leach facility with a 3,000 ton per day throughput capacity.
The mill was built at a cost of $359 million in todays dollars.

Dilution needs to be considered now before a $65 price target can be attached.
cheers
 
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It certainly is a factor and only one of many that need to be considered now and in the future.

With such high price targets being thrown around this thread it is important to analyse every company and project in a case by case study because every deposit is different. Simply comparing it to peers on an EV/lb basis who are in production already or still explorers should carry no weight imo.

The true cost of uranium mining can only be known once the ore body has been well delineated, grade distributions have been logged and the deposit geology is fully understood.
With underground mining, many cost implications flow from the determination of the geometry of the ore body, the ground conditions and the presence or lack of groundwater.

So far we have only been given MTN`s summary of the scoping study which has indicated that the way forward is with an underground mine.
I guess we will see the full study in 3 months with the resource upgrade.

In general, it is more difficult to predict the operating issues that will be encountered in an underground mine.
Poorer than anticipated ground conditions often leads to higher ground support, manpower, ventilation and equipment requirements for a given production rate, and the topology of the Flinders Ranges is far from ideal.
This can be accompanied by lower than expected ore grades due to excessive ore body dilution.
Dilution can then impact the revenue stream if the mill cannot process higher tonnage rates to compensate.

Proposed underground mines therefore deserve significant project scrutiny.

Cost correlations to grade are self explanatory, the lower the grade, the greater the volume of barren material which must be removed and processed so that the contained uranium can be extracted.

In MTN`s case thats about 45 million tonnes of ore to be processed and given a target of 1000 tonnes of U3O8 a year, the plant will have to process about 4,500 tonnes of ore body per day (24/7) to meet production targets (assuming an average grade of 0.06%)

As a comparison, the Sweetwater Mill in Wyoming is an acid leach facility with a 3,000 ton per day throughput capacity.
The mill was built at a cost of $359 million in todays dollars.

Dilution needs to be considered now before a $65 price target can be attached.
cheers

I can see Spooly's point however Spooly you need to read the previous posts as its been well and truly covered by Halba about dilution.

Best regards

champ
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

It certainly is a factor and only one of many that need to be considered now and in the future.

With such high price targets being thrown around this thread it is important to analyse every company and project in a case by case study because every deposit is different. Simply comparing it to peers on an EV/lb basis who are in production already or still explorers should carry no weight imo.

The true cost of uranium mining can only be known once the ore body has been well delineated, grade distributions have been logged and the deposit geology is fully understood.
With underground mining, many cost implications flow from the determination of the geometry of the ore body, the ground conditions and the presence or lack of groundwater.

So far we have only been given MTN`s summary of the scoping study which has indicated that the way forward is with an underground mine.
I guess we will see the full study in 3 months with the resource upgrade.

In general, it is more difficult to predict the operating issues that will be encountered in an underground mine.
Poorer than anticipated ground conditions often leads to higher ground support, manpower, ventilation and equipment requirements for a given production rate, and the topology of the Flinders Ranges is far from ideal.
This can be accompanied by lower than expected ore grades due to excessive ore body dilution.
Dilution can then impact the revenue stream if the mill cannot process higher tonnage rates to compensate.

Proposed underground mines therefore deserve significant project scrutiny.

Cost correlations to grade are self explanatory, the lower the grade, the greater the volume of barren material which must be removed and processed so that the contained uranium can be extracted.

In MTN`s case thats about 45 million tonnes of ore to be processed and given a target of 1000 tonnes of U3O8 a year, the plant will have to process about 4,500 tonnes of ore body per day (24/7) to meet production targets (assuming an average grade of 0.06%)

As a comparison, the Sweetwater Mill in Wyoming is an acid leach facility with a 3,000 ton per day throughput capacity.
The mill was built at a cost of $359 million in todays dollars.

Dilution needs to be considered now before a $65 price target can be attached.
cheers

Very informative post. Amateurs like me love learning these basic details. Thanks.

I'm a bit skeptical on MTN, I compare their current price of roughly $5 to PDN $10. Are they really half of PDNs value? Is it PDN thats under priced or MTN over priced? To me it seems that PDN is a lot more stable than MTN. They have an operating mine (with another one soon to open) and a lot more resources than MTN.... .... (That goes for SMM PNN AGS BMN EME too)

Can someone explain this? (please use numbers if you can, I find it easier to understand mathematical explanations)
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Very informative post. Amateurs like me love learning these basic details. Thanks.

I'm a bit skeptical on MTN, I compare their current price of roughly $5 to PDN $10. Are they really half of PDNs value? Is it PDN thats under priced or MTN over priced? To me it seems that PDN is a lot more stable than MTN. They have an operating mine (with another one soon to open) and a lot more resources than MTN.... .... (That goes for SMM PNN AGS BMN EME too)

Can someone explain this? (please use numbers if you can, I find it easier to understand mathematical explanations)
Yes, was a good post, thank you spooly. In regard to share price Ironchef, you need to look at market cap. PDN is over $5b and MTN is just $300m, so it's much cheaper in comparison market cap. Maybe then compare what PDN have as total assets and resources, and potential, and compare to MTN to give you a better comparison. Cheers.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Underground mine

I don't see wallabies inhabiting underground areas.

I've seen this "underground" aspect mentioned a couple of times and I'm not sure what relevance it has in relation to environmental/ecological issues. An underground mine will produce almost the same disturbance as an open pit mine. It's all the other surface infrastructure which occupies the space.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Very informative post. Amateurs like me love learning these basic details. Thanks.

I'm a bit skeptical on MTN, I compare their current price of roughly $5 to PDN $10. Are they really half of PDNs value? Is it PDN thats under priced or MTN over priced? To me it seems that PDN is a lot more stable than MTN. They have an operating mine (with another one soon to open) and a lot more resources than MTN.... .... (That goes for SMM PNN AGS BMN EME too)

Can someone explain this? (please use numbers if you can, I find it easier to understand mathematical explanations)

Have you looked at the number of shares on issue???
 
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Have you looked at the number of shares on issue???

There was no need to be derogatory like this. Ironchef has admitted he is an 'amateur' like we all are and the response I gave him is a more appropriate way of assisting a fellow member in understanding value.

In regard to share price Ironchef, you need to look at market cap. PDN is over $5b and MTN is just $300m, so it's much cheaper in comparison market cap. Maybe then compare what PDN have as total assets and resources, and potential, and compare to MTN to give you a better comparison. Cheers.
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Thanks Kennas.

I AM an amature in all of this (I work as a software engineer, so totally different industry), only been trading for 6 months or so now. These forums are an excellent source of information for me.
 
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MTN has a market cap of $260M.
PDN has a market cap of $5025M.

MTN is 1/20th of PDN.


anyone know why MTN is up so much today? 63c so far. :eek:
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

MTN is the best buy I ever made.

When will it stop?

I'm just shy of holding a year. I'm gonna be tempted to take my wins after that.....:eek:
 
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Looks like they will threaten the $6 barrier. Wow is all I have to say. I was so close to buying these at 2.70......................................but I didnt..doh

:)..

welldone so far guys
 
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anyone know why MTN is up so much today? 63c so far. :eek:

I suspect it's a combination of PDN being suspended, the market concluding that SA is the most likely state for another Uranium mine and the prospect of consolidation of the Uranium sector.
 
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hi, just wanted to congratulate all the shareholders in MTN on this forum! I had a chance to pick up this bad boy at 80 cents during its "slump" a while back and never thought it would run!

But boy was I way off!!!!!!

Now all you holders go and buy a flat screen TV or something, or a pie for my face :p
 
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hmm same situation here, 65.6% on paper after brokerage, but it just gets higher, but im keeping faith it'll go higher ( or am i just greedy :confused: )

The above quote was made on the 9th of Nov 2006, its good to know i hang on to these little beauties, sitting on a 625% paper profit now
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

hi, just wanted to congratulate all the shareholders in MTN on this forum! I had a chance to pick up this bad boy at 80 cents during its "slump" a while back and never thought it would run!

But boy was I way off!!!!!!

Now all you holders go and buy a flat screen TV or something, or a pie for my face :p

the scary thing is i can't see MTN slowing down after the conference..
The U bug is spreading, especially in SA . U graphs everywhere on the ground floor computers of the ASX building in SA and i wasn't even there yet.
:alcohol::bananasmi -
 
Re: MTN - Marathon Resources

Still being valued at around $4 a pound even after the value increases. If resource upgrades come then the $ per pound will go down, resulting in share price rerating.
 
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How long can this go on?

MTN just kicked up 50 cents to $6.30 on open

If it keeps going up like this, hysteria is going to start up very shortly...
 
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