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Garpal Gumnut

Garpal Gumnut

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AUSTRALIA'S most famous historian, Geoffrey Blainey, has reignited the debate for statehood for North Queensland, saying it would be "absurd" not to.
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http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26398562-3102,00.html

This debate needs to take place.

Folk in NQ are sick and tired of supporting the southeast corner of Queensland with their bogans, toffs and dole bludgers.

NQ is the economic heart of the eastern seaboard and would fare as well as Western Australia if it had statehood.

Let all fair minded women and men support statehood for NQ.

Even the poor old Storm victims got screwed, in a majority in NQ, SICAG was based somewhere in the Sunshine Coast, a haven for get rich quick real estate agents and financial planners.

Let the real wealth of this country be developed by those who make it, miners, farmers and workers in NQ, rather than those muppets in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

gg
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26398562-3102,00.html

This debate needs to take place.

Folk in NQ are sick and tired of supporting the southeast corner of Queensland with their bogans, toffs and dole bludgers.

NQ is the economic heart of the eastern seaboard and would fare as well as Western Australia if it had statehood.

Let all fair minded women and men support statehood for NQ.

Even the poor old Storm victims got screwed, in a majority in NQ, SICAG was based somewhere in the Sunshine Coast, a haven for get rich quick real estate agents and financial planners.

Let the real wealth of this country be developed by those who make it, miners, farmers and workers in NQ, rather than those muppets in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

gg
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And who would be the first Governor of NQ ?

Maybe somebody who already has their own limo on stand-by, primed and ready for Vice-Regal duties...;)
 
gg, just had another thought, what would suitable Governors Garb be like.

Maybe along the lines of the Pirates of Penance, I believe that was popular up that way a little while ago or maybe more along the lines of the Baronets of Ruddigore ??
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26398562-3102,00.html

This debate needs to take place.

Folk in NQ are sick and tired of supporting the southeast corner of Queensland with their bogans, toffs and dole bludgers.

NQ is the economic heart of the eastern seaboard and would fare as well as Western Australia if it had statehood.

Let all fair minded women and men support statehood for NQ.

Even the poor old Storm victims got screwed, in a majority in NQ, SICAG was based somewhere in the Sunshine Coast, a haven for get rich quick real estate agents and financial planners.

Let the real wealth of this country be developed by those who make it, miners, farmers and workers in NQ, rather than those muppets in Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

gg
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Hey - steady on there Garpal son......I live in south east Queensland and I'm not a bogan, a toff or a dole bludger! LOL

For some time I've thought that the interests of North Queensland would be better served if it was a separate state.
Can you imagine though, the furore over where the new state border would be!
North Queenslanders would want Mackay and Rockhampton and the adjacent hinterland with their rich coal and agricultural resources, while Queenslanders who live further south would obviously want these regions to belong to the new state of South Queensland.
And there would be considerable differences of opinion among those who live around these regions, whether they'd be better off as part of North Queensland or South Queensland.

Just one point that I want to challenge though, is your claim that NQ is the economic heart of the eastern seaboard.
I presume you're including the Mackay and Whitsundays regions as part of NQ?
But are they really in NQ?
Certainly, both are claimed as part of NQ in tourist brochures and such like, but geographically they're in the southern half of the state.
If you take the midway point of the Queensland coastline from northern to southern extremities, you'll see that Mackay and the Whitsundays are noticeably south of the midway point, meaning that in actual fact they're not part of NQ.
On that basis, if you take Mackay out of the equation, with all it's tremendous mining, agricultural and tourism wealth, and if you remove the Whitsunday Islands and the tremendous number of tourism dollars they bring in, can NQ still be called 'the economic heart of the eastern seaboard'?

Interested to hear your thoughts, although I think I already know what they'll be!
 
Warning NQ centric content (non NQ ppl may not understand) ;)

Hi Garpal,:) on the surface an NQ state seems like a good idea. We certainly suffer at the SE QLDs myopic & poor governance.

BUT :) 1: who would become our first & possibly entrenched Premier
2: who would benefit the most
3: how would it effect Australian politics

1: OH no! not Tony Mooney = white elephant builder & "slums of the future" developers mate. :eek:

2: More pollies, more beauraucrats some more jobs but at massive cost & inneffectiveness. :(

3: Australia needs to join the 21st century- already it's near impossible to update the constitution. Also the states & federal gs can't agree on anything now so what chance with another state? :rolleyes:

Sorry Garpal, I liked the idea until I looked more closely at the consequences. :eek:

PS: If we did have our own state then SE QLD would immediately approve daylight saving putting us in a different timezone to Brisbane.

PPS: Hey Garpal, hope you noticed I didn't knock Townsville once :p: (just Tony) ;)
 
Out Too Soon said:
Warning NQ centric content (non NQ ppl may not understand) ;)

Hi Garpal,:) on the surface an NQ state seems like a good idea. We certainly suffer at the SE QLDs myopic & poor governance.

BUT :) 1: who would become our first & possibly entrenched Premier
2: who would benefit the most
3: how would it effect Australian politics
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1) Bob Katter
2) cow cockies
3) Already a parliamentarian and drought relief from surplus budget funds :D
 
Yes we really don't have enough beuracrats, state politicians, governer generals, COAG negotiations. We need more states
 
Lets give the south east corner and anna bligh to NSW and then merge the new Queensland with the Northern Territory and Western Australia to form our very own country!
 
bunyip said:
Hey - steady on there Garpal son......I live in south east Queensland and I'm not a bogan, a toff or a dole bludger! LOL

For some time I've thought that the interests of North Queensland would be better served if it was a separate state.
Can you imagine though, the furore over where the new state border would be!
North Queenslanders would want Mackay and Rockhampton and the adjacent hinterland with their rich coal and agricultural resources, while Queenslanders who live further south would obviously want these regions to belong to the new state of South Queensland.
And there would be considerable differences of opinion among those who live around these regions, whether they'd be better off as part of North Queensland or South Queensland.

Just one point that I want to challenge though, is your claim that NQ is the economic heart of the eastern seaboard.
I presume you're including the Mackay and Whitsundays regions as part of NQ?
But are they really in NQ?
Certainly, both are claimed as part of NQ in tourist brochures and such like, but geographically they're in the southern half of the state.
If you take the midway point of the Queensland coastline from northern to southern extremities, you'll see that Mackay and the Whitsundays are noticeably south of the midway point, meaning that in actual fact they're not part of NQ.
On that basis, if you take Mackay out of the equation, with all it's tremendous mining, agricultural and tourism wealth, and if you remove the Whitsunday Islands and the tremendous number of tourism dollars they bring in, can NQ still be called 'the economic heart of the eastern seaboard'?

Interested to hear your thoughts, although I think I already know what they'll be!
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& bunyips ;)

The border would obviously be somewhere sth of Rocky & the tropic of Capricorn. (we,ve got the army & airforce up here to enforce it ) :p:
SE QLD forget there's a QLD nth of about Gympie so maybe the border should be there. ;)
Better still give the towns down the coast the option of joining the new state or sticking with capt Blighs :p: haha! :D

Actually, Overits prob got the best suggestion :) Vote 1 the orangutan :D
 
GG, old mate if we had a new NQ state, I would nominate you for Premier.

But IMHO it will never happen, in fact the states should be eliminated altogether. The Federal Government should take over control of health, education, roads, rail, ports,water and sewrage and other ancillary infrastucture.
Two levels of Government, Federal and Local could manage the lot and save millions of dollars witout state politicians, Govenors and beauracrates who currently waste tax payers money.

Sorry GG, I'm for less Government!
 
overit said:
Lets give the south east corner and anna bligh to NSW and then merge the new Queensland with the Northern Territory and Western Australia to form our very own country!
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I reckon anything that gets me further away from Anna Bligh has to be a good idea!
I'll be moving up north so I can avail myself of all the advantages of the new country, e.g. super cyclones, dengue fever, hippies, air so thick with humidity that a dog can't bark, and a friendly nibble from a croc or a box jellyfish when I go for a swim!

Seriously though, I've got a soft spot for North Queensland even though I'm from the south - I wouldn't object too strongly if my missus suggested we move up there somewhere. Not that it's too darn bad where I am!
 
Those who run the Gold Coast and Brisbane are whingeing again about Daylight Saving.

They have no thought for the havoc that a change would wreak on us here in the North.

The Gold Coast is a haven for spivs, Russian Mafia, gamblers, *****s and real estate agents.

Why should the rest of us suffer because they live next door to NSW, which as well as having different time from us for half the year is a a complete and utter economic basket case.

What a silly idea is daylight saving. What is in it for North Queensland?

The sooner those south of Sarina are left to their own devices the better. Lets have a North Queensland State.

gg
 
If Joh was PM he would say,

"What we need is less bloody state governments, not more."

and then proceed to have all state politicians shot.
 
drsmith said:
If Joh was PM he would say,

"What we need is less bloody state governments, not more."

and then proceed to have all state politicians shot.
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It would certainly save us some money, but then Kev07 would become emperor.
Et tu drsmith.

gg
 
Les Tyrell thinks that day light savings would be too confusing for townsvillians, I as an SEQer am not too confused about adding or subtracting an hour.
How could you guys manage to run your own state?
 
Garpal Gumnut said:
It would certainly save us some money, but then Kev07 would become emperor.
Et tu drsmith.

gg
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With regard to state premiers I'm trying to think who Joh as PM would have knocked off first. A civilised discussion between Sir Joh and Don Dunstan in pink shorts is hard to imagine.

With regard to daylight saving, if we are going to have it, it should be nation wide and from the last Sunday in October to the first Sunday in March (like it used to be). That failing a two state solution divided by the Tropic of Capricorn with daylight saving for the south is the obvious alternative. For a functioning national economy the southern state would still need to spend the mining royalties of the north.
 
THE LAST THING THIS COUNTRY NEEDS IS ANOTHER STATE.

i am an advocate of actually reversing what you suggest, and removing state boundaries, as they are the basis of an outdated agreement to enable nationhood.

once the state lines are gone, then simply create super regions by merging local councils with like economics & lifestyles.

in QLD, NT & WA for example, the northern coastal tropics form one region, concentrating on tourism, port development for export & defence.
the QLD coastal cities down to maroochydore for similar reasons.
the sunshine coast down to those similar towns in northeast NSW for tourism.
the NSW central coast for lifestyle away from metro.
sydney metro divided into regions dependent on population size & likelihood for growth (eg outer)
NSW south coast into VIC to lakes entrance, similar reasons to central coast.
the rest you can see my thinking.
as for inland regions, the high country in NSW/VIC, the entire murray basin, central & western VIC, NSW west of the divide til it becomes desert etc etc.
regions divided so that essentially represent the common aspects of peoples in that area, plus the economic mainstays/industries of these regions. the idea is not dependent on equal populations per regions, but rather removing duplication due to similar economics & lifestyles.

its all a pipedream, and it wont happen, but you can only dream.
 
See my post on the "Daylight Saving" thread for the downside of DST in sunny Qld.

The old chestnut of a daylight saving trial and referendum has again been raised in Queensland. In this case they are talking about split zones.

It won't happen. If you have a friend or relative in an institution, a care facility, in a retirement facility or in a nursing home, you might care to ask them whether they like being fed their evening meal in the middle of the afternoon on a blazing hot summer day.

It is bad enough now that all their meals times have to be within the limits of an eight hour (or less) working day.

The worst time of the day for them is time between when they are fed and when they can retire. They don't have the option of going surfing.
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And why are the precious red necks in FNQ moaning so much about the possibility of the introduction of DST?

What "havoc"???
How exactly are you going to "suffer"?

Talk about your own attention getting beat up.
I saw the Cairns Mayor on the ABC News tonight commenting about it.
What a dinosaur.

Worried the curtains will fade and the cows won't milk???
Good grief, I thought those stupid naive days were long past.

It is 2010 now, and science can explain why the sun comes up every day... and why we get these solar eclipses every now and then. Sorry, but no Gods involved.

Perhaps the potentially poor "suffering" individuals in FNQ could set up a crisis hotline with the Victorian, New South Welshmen, Taswegians, etc to see how they coped with their life-affecting crisis.

Speaking of which, have we heard from anyone down south on the telegraph yet?
How are they doing?
Did they survive?
We can get the Cobb & Co coaches ready for milk shipments down to them.
 
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