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Nickel - the metal for 2007?

Todays West Australian...........



Mine plans at risk: report
27th January 2007, 12:00 WST

Leading research group BIS Shrapnel has warned that a forecast slump in mining investment could threaten flagship WA iron ore and nickel projects now slated for development.



The soon-to-be-released BIS Shrapnel Engineering Construction in Australia report predicts the WA economy will retract sharply over the next three years as the heat goes out of mining investment, although it expects the burgeoning pipeline of LNG projects to soften the blow.

“It is likely that a lot of projects will still go ahead this year with prices falling, but once you get into 2008-09 a lot of those projects, which looked pretty likely to go ahead, will probably get shelved,” BIS Shrapnel senior economist Richard Robinson said.

“The work that has started on those projects will continue so you won’t see a big downturn probably until the 2008-2009 financial year and I think that is when you will get the big effects on the WA economy.

“One of the big differences between the downturn in this mining investment cycle and the downturn in the late 1990s, which really affected the WA economy, is the LNG plants. That is one of the things that will stop the dramatic slide.”

Defying the assurances of resource bulls, Mr Robinson said China’s red-hot investment growth was unsustainable and would begin to tail off in coming years, reducing demand for commodities and dragging prices lower.

He said the big ticket nickel developments and Mid-West iron ore producers who were planning to run exports out through Geraldton or the new port at Oakajee were the most likely to be hurt by the lower prices and the ensuing slump in resource sector investment.

“Because they have to build a rail line, a new port and even though they reckon they have Chinese backing, the Chinese will back-pedal and they have done that in the past if things don’t stack up,” he said.

Gindalbie Metals, MidWest Corporation and Murchison all have iron ore projects slated for the Mid-West while Consolidated Minerals, Lion-Ore Mining and Western Areas are planning new nickel mines. ...........


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this is a great Nickel thread....my friend koan liked it so much I think he's STILL reading/perusing....he's a bit dyslexic, but brilliant....posted @
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: siempre33 who wrote (31122) 1/28/2007 3:39:21 PM
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That was a hell of a find seimpre. Everyone should go to that aussie web site and read a bit of it.

BREND: "How I know? I'm a metal futures dealer, I have access to a bit more information than retail investors."

Brend: "Not only that, currently 1 US hedge fund holds more than 90% of nickel inventory at LME warehouse now. "??

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Originally Posted by joeljp
Brend, thanks for the information. I must have missed this particular article on Bloomberg.

Just so that I can understand it, the Nickel stockpile on LME is only around 5000 t (25/1/07), are you/they saying that 90% of this is held by one company or they hold a lot more than what's officially listed? If that's all they hold, 5000T isn't vey much at all. How much of an impact will it have if they were to sell off, seeing that demand currently way outweighs supply. Sorry, if the question sounds really dumb.



No worries, no question is too dumb.

The information that 90% of the inventory is held by one US Hedge Fund is not mentioned in any article in Bloomberg.

90% means 90% of the nickel inventory level at LME warehouse, yes not much for nickel. The fund freezes the supply level, while the demand continues to grow, hence will create upward pressure for nickel price.

Are you trading metal futures? We provide all these funds' information to our clients everyday, ie whether funds are controlling the inventory level, whether banks are pushing up particular metals lately, whether funds are buying call options for particular metals?

In today world, hedge funds play a very important role in commodity trading. If you open account with us, we can provide all these information to you as well...

Sometimes I provide funds' information in my blog:
http://basemetal-trading.blogspot.com/

For investors who just want to make their investment decision based on fundamentals, I always ask them to play lead and tin instead, where the involvement of funds are minimal.

Currently I notice a strange situation in the metal market now, all the industrial metals inventory are controlled by funds now. I have a feeling that funds are all prepared to push up metal prices up once copper price is up.

Futures product is a leveraged product. Leverage is a double edge sword, it can work for you, and also work against you.

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#164 27th-January-2007, 05:01 PM
michael_selway
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Kauri said:
Todays West Australian...........



Well the punters voted in the green for the Nicklers today Kauri, There all pushing or at all time highs.

But I seem to remember the newspapers peddling that analyst rubbish, around June, Last Year .
'It was on the front page of the West Australian', if memory serves me correctly. :D
 
Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Well the punters voted in the green for the Nicklers today Kauri, There all pushing or at all time highs.
With about half the volume of the last few trading days. A top perhaps?
 
Hopefully not I haven't sold yet. MCR and SMY could be starting another upleg, consolidation the last few days and a bit of time for punters to get over the fear of spot dropping maybe, the usual conondrums they face buying at highs :rolleyes: . Anyway I'll give momentum a chance. As far as I'm aware Chinese steel mills are in full production ATM and their hungry during these periods, I still remember when they drew back for a while last year :eek: ,has a huge impact on inventories



MRE looks like it might just be starting a run though, long overdue :D
 
Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Hopefully not I haven't sold yet. MCR and SMY could be starting another upleg, consolidation the last few days and a bit of time for punters to get over the fear of spot dropping maybe, the usual conondrums they face buying at highs :rolleyes: . Anyway I'll give momentum a chance. As far as I'm aware Chinese steel mills are in full production ATM and their hungry during these periods, I still remember when they drew back for a while last year :eek: ,has a huge impact on inventories



MRE looks like it might just be starting a run though, long overdue :D
I'm not so sure. The charts I'm looking at are showing buyers drying up (if i'm reading them right). And I don't like the chances of any resources going up tomorrow at this minute. Glad I got out of OXR as well. The way MCR and MRE closed on Thursday I was surprised they didn't gap down today, and I will be surprised if they don't gap down tomorrow. Regardless of what the nicklers would have done on their own, if there is general bearish sentiment in the resources sector, I think it will pull them back, or at least slow them anyway.
 
Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Hopefully not I haven't sold yet. MCR and SMY could be starting another upleg, consolidation the last few days and a bit of time for punters to get over the fear of spot dropping maybe, the usual conondrums they face buying at highs :rolleyes: . Anyway I'll give momentum a chance. As far as I'm aware Chinese steel mills are in full production ATM and their hungry during these periods, I still remember when they drew back for a while last year :eek: ,has a huge impact on inventories



MRE looks like it might just be starting a run though, long overdue :D
Lol! Well, MCR and MRE did gap down... briefly. MRE looks to be the only one faltering.

A great quarterly for MCR. Almost secures its place as a fantastic growth stock.
 
Yep, MRE still has no volume/interest but still feel their earnings will surprise and will be a decent divvy. The market is a strange one, maybe that might highlight some interest. Their still sitting just below highs though.

MCR didnt gap down :confused:. Its nudging highs and if it wasn't still getting insto sold down, would be close to were SMY is now.

MCR's report just out is appealing,certainly management are delivering. They are looking better on the books than SMY (but the share price dosen't reflect).
 
chops_a_must said:
Lol! Well, MCR and MRE did gap down... briefly. MRE looks to be the only one faltering.
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Well my heads still hanging out their chops, maybe you can get out youre axe tommorow :D

With MCR up significantly on volume, SMY having a ripper, IGO up and MRE still knocking at the door 'with a bit of volume', still no reasons to sell

Nickles due for some pressure though, surely?
 
Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Well my heads still hanging out their chops, maybe you can get out youre axe tommorow :D

With MCR up significantly on volume, SMY having a ripper, IGO up and MRE still knocking at the door 'with a bit of volume', still no reasons to sell

Nickles due for some pressure though, surely?
I got back into MCR today. After a small drop in buyers and increase in sellers, buyers have come back in with a sharp drop in sellers. It looks like a similar story for SMY. Although MRE looks shaky. IGO might be looking like the strongest of the lot. Heavily underbought compared to the others. And just about the only nickler not at all time highs. There are still legs it seems.
 
Nickle Prices O/N

By Anna Stablum

LONDON, Jan 30 (Reuters) - Copper on the London Metal Exchange ended firm on Tuesday, while nickel fell as pay talks continued at a major nickel operation

Nickel was down $1,750 or 4.7 percent at $35,650, off its record peak of $38,950 recorded on Friday.

"The market is not expecting a big disruption even if they do go on strike," analyst David Thurtell at BNP Paribas said.

A looming strike at Xstrata's Sudbury operations in Ontario, Canada, had been supporting prices last week, but news of talks progressing dampened sentiment. [ID:nN30316803]

"We have a day and half left and the teams are hard at work," said Ian Hamilton, a spokesman for Xstrata Nickel.

If the parties fail to reach an agreement by the time the current contract expires at midnight on Wednesday, more than 1,000 mill, mine and smelter workers will walk off the job.

Stocks in LME warehouses were unchanged at 4,278 tonnes, of which only 1,680 tonnes were available to the market.

Daily global consumption of nickel stands at 3,800 tonnes.
 
Did the same as you choppy with MCR, opened a pos yest morning, but I closed in the last minute of trading yesterday got a 6c movement, looking at todays trade so far I did the right thing, also closed a third of my IGO pos first thing this morning, but may just open again IGO looking well supported. After my KZL experiance I'm making up lost ground.porkpie
 
After about 3hrs trading today all nickel miners looking weak, is this the start of a correction?, SMY although few sellors buyers seem reluctant to push prices up, MCR looks decidely toppy same with JBM, MRE & IGO now following, just holding 2 IGO pos and watching carefully. porkpie
 
porkpie324 said:
After about 3hrs trading today all nickel miners looking weak, is this the start of a correction?, SMY although few sellors buyers seem reluctant to push prices up, MCR looks decidely toppy same with JBM, MRE & IGO now following, just holding 2 IGO pos and watching carefully. porkpie

Hi Porkpie,
The main thing I look for is the pattern below. After an exuberant run a relatively wide gap up bar forms that closes near its lows on above ave vol is a warning. Confirmation is if the following bar is also relatively wide, moves into new low ground on increased and/or above ave vol. Not always correct, but quite often this signals that a top of some sort is in. Of course the opposite can also signal that a bottom is in. It is a stronger signal if it ties in with a significant trend line, support/resistance, fib, E/W, or whatever you follow. I haven't been through the nicklers today but this may be what is setting up?
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Kauri
 

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Volatile last hour trading with SMY, I could'nt resist them so opened a pos at 3.11 20 mins ago and as I type looks like some support.porkpie
 
Freeballinginawetsuit said:
Yep, their in the game to make money, not put the Nickle in the Piggy Bank :rolleyes:

If there is no strike at Sudbury mine tomorrow, we can make money by shorting nickel too.
 
Talks resumed Tuesday between Xstrata PLC and unionized workers at its Sudbury nickel mining operations as a Feb. 1 deadline to reach a new agreement loomed.

Tuesday's talks were the first since Jan. 25, when the two sides exchanged offers but could not reach a deal.

The Bloomberg news service said the two sides met for two hours, with union officials saying they are waiting on a counter-offer.

The current labour agreement that covers about 1,000 members of the Canadian Auto Workers union will expire at midnight on Jan. 31.

:D The union has already made some preparations for a work stoppage, including moving trailers to the entrances of mine sites and bringing in supplies of firewood, Bloomberg reported. :D

Pay, vacation scheduling and the rights of workers to return to jobs they were shifted from involuntarily are the stumbling blocks to a new collective agreement.

Xstrata's Sudbury nickel operations produce about four per cent of the world's supplies.

 
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