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No Ordinary Duck
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I tend to agree with beamstas...
What the seminar guy was saying is a load of crap!!!!!
Good times mate, they have had such a good time. I.Bankers have made even more money during the credit boom than FPs. Does that mean the boom will continue?
I guess it's because FP deals with people more than an accountant. Great for people with extravert personalities.
Sir Osisofliver already mentioned it. If you were the presenter, and is remunerated from selling properties based on commission and value of the sale, why would you present evidences that would otherwise hurt your income?
And no, property HAS NOT CONSISTENTLY rise on average 7-10% over the past 90 years. The presenter has not shown you the full picture and validate his source properly. Property has indeed risen at that average over the past 2-3 decades (largely thanks to the boom in credit), but properties have only historically rise along with inflation (and suffer occasion massive falls) over the past century.
Let's look at it from another perspective. If annual wage growth remained at 3% and interest rate remained at CURRENT 50 YEARS LOW for the next 90 years, if property rise by an average of 10% per year over the same period, how "affordable" would an average property be to an average income earner in 2100? Since you are an accountant, I'm sure you can understand the maths.
Now let's look at it from the perspective of compounding. 10% rise per year for 90 years at today's average house price of $400k (for the sake of it), a house (or rather, the LAND) would worth 1.1^90 x $400k = $2,125,209,000.
And assuming the fractional reserve banking still exist in 90 years and that inflation is kept under control at 2-3% per year over the next 90 years, then EVERYONE in Australia with an average house would be MUCH RICHER than the "average" person.
Do you see the fallancy in all this? This is not sustainable at all. Unfortunately, people with vested interest in selling properties would always find ways to persuade potential buyers that the boom will last forever.
Yep, www.asx.com.au reading list is a good start as investorpaul has mentioned. There are plenty more in this forum, do a quick search.
If you studied FP in full, you may be aware that "CASH" is an asset class by itself.
That's true, we go far deeper than just individual stocks.
Also try reading up investopedia.com
It's an excellent source of information.
I would recommend you get educated in the area of ETFs as well.
www.asx.com.au will have some brief info.
www.seekingalpha.com has more detailed info on international ones.
Good luck with your further readings.
Y.T
1) There are a few firms around where Financial Planners are NOT glorified salespeople. (Including my firm) Don't folllow the dark side of the force young padawan, a great deal of Financial Planners are parasites.
Sir O
One thing no-one has suggested: If you read the Noel Whittaker/Paul Clithero type books etc (the basic ones), they usually suggest that if you have a house and mortgage, you should focus all spare cash towards paying that debt down ASAP. Paying off the mortgage provides a zero risk, effective (pre-tax) return of the prevailing mortgage interest rate divided by (1 - your marginal tax rate).
I agree with Sir O. If you want to be an FP with a healthy income, don't just fall in to the trap of signing up anybody and everybody to anything just to generate fees and commissions. If you take the time to give good quality advice and actually care for your clients, you will find that you will build a trouble free client base, who will refer friends and family to you. You will not have to chase clients.
Define "High risk" - (To me you would be prepared to take your hard earned savings, go to the casino and put it all on red - the potential to double your money, but also the potential to lose it all) - you need to have a clear understanding of the sort of investor you are (and because you have a partner - what their tolerances are).
How much have you now got from your budget and have you thought about reserves and gearing for your investment? Go compare LOC's and Margin Lending facilities (Never margin above 50% and let your LVR drop with the increase in equity).
How would you determine which asset class at a given time?My partner has come from a fairly conservative family - they have never invested into anything apart from rental properties. However she is similar to me in the sense of investing, she knows really nothing about it but we have spoken about what risks we are willing to take and if we have enough reserve (say 9 - 12 months of expenses) we would invest into pretty much any asset class.
What do you mean here? e.g. all your money into one investment property, or all your money into a single stock?In saying this if I were to invest ALL my money into an investment
So, if the investment were to be in shares, you'd watch the value fall by 30% and do nothing? What would you do at more than 30% fall?and it all disappeared then I can’t say that I won’t be upset, but if it dropped by 30% for example it’s a risk I would have been expecting
I guess that's what the faithful holders of ABC Learning, Allco Finance, MFS/Octaviar, Babcock and Brown et al thought as they watched their investment dwindle to pretty much nothing. Maybe take a look at these charts and see if you still think 'you haven't lost until you've sold'.(you haven't lost until you've sold).
How would you determine which asset class at a given time?
What do you mean here? e.g. all your money into one investment property, or all your money into a single stock?
So, if the investment were to be in shares, you'd watch the value fall by 30% and do nothing? What would you do at more than 30% fall?
I guess that's what the faithful holders of ABC Learning, Allco Finance, MFS/Octaviar, Babcock and Brown et al thought as they watched their investment dwindle to pretty much nothing. Maybe take a look at these charts and see if you still think 'you haven't lost until you've sold'.
I'm not trying to, um, take the wind out of your sails, but suggest you need to be a bit clearer about your plans before actually investing real money.
Well you are training to be a FP so you should learn how do to things like cash flow modelling. (HINT HINT what rate can you borrow, what rate of return can you generate, what tax will you pay etc etc etc) You've probably been told that PPOR debt is the worst kind of liability you can have because interest payments are non tax deductible. It's "bad debt" as opposed to the same debt on an investment property which is tax deductible.Really good replies to this thread, I have also being doing a lot of reading on other posts of this forum (I’ve nearly come to the point of making this place my homepage!).
What I have learned here in simple terms is:
- Tweak my budget so it is maintainable
- Pay off my home loan ASAP and then start investing
Question time:
I'm pretty conservative and regard capital preservation as main focus, but I'd guess that even people who are decidedly less risk averse than I am would regard your current attitude as 'high risk'.It would depend on the stock i guess. If i thought these was a chance of survival i would maybe buy more at a "cheaper" price?
I guess you have a point there. Hrmm i may need to reconsider my own risk profile =)
I do really want to get into international and australian shares though, would these not be classed as high risk assets? I understand that i may lose as much as i can gain but am willing to take the risk. Would this classify me as high risk?
I think now is an excellent time for a newbie to invest a SMALL amount of money in the sharemarket if they think the price will go up.
One thing no-one has suggested: If you read the Noel Whittaker/Paul Clithero type books etc
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