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Newbie Lessons - All your questions answered

Hey,
Thanks so much for all your advice and explanations on "how it all works"(special mention to Sir O), I've kinda been "trading" for 2 months now and had no real idea on what i was doing. ie. saying that stock sounds good im going to buy some of that, really more straight out gambling than investing, and luckily fluctuating a bit over even. I've been to a few seminars held by the asx and stuff to try and gauge a general idea of what i'm doing though am still pretty vague on everything. I'm trying to stay aware of whats going on reading the news and stuff. Like recently there was an interest rate rise by our reserve bank and that was awesome for our economy and a large portion of shares jumped, and they are predicting another rate rise on Melbourne cup day.
Dazza I know it says all your questions answered, but it doesn't mention the word.."Timely", I've been avoiding answering your novella until I could spare the time I needed to respond properly.

How is a rate rise "awesome for our economy?" When interest rates are increased the Reserve Bank is attempting to slow our economy down. By increasing interest rates, it is now more expensive for companies to borrow money, how is this a good thing? Householders now have to put more money on the mortgage, so they have less to spend, less expenditure is a slowing mechanism.

So do you know the reason then why the shares had a little movement? (To quote the Matrix movies "This is how you come to me, without why, without power." [insert bad french accent])

The reason for that movement was that we are the first western economies to initiate such a slowing mechanism, so there is some sentiment attached to that. It also means that those economies that currently have a very low interest rate like 0% for example can move that money into Australia and get a higher rate of interest. Capice?

So knowing this do you think another rate rise will have the same effect and do you think everyone agrees with you? (because only the aggregate opinion matters).


What my question is really is, if the market knows an event is going to occur ie. intrest rate rise, has it already adjusted itself as though it has already happened, and deviates according to how accurate the predictions were or does it choose not to fluctuate until much closer to the date.

Define "Knows". The word you are searching for here is "anticipates". The market (with a higher or lower degree of certainty) anticipates that there will be a rate increase. Depending upon a) the degree of certainty, and b) the time period to the event; it will adjust according to the aggregate whim of the market participants. When the event occurs, those market participants who did not anticipate correctly (or misread the degree of change, or who try and take a larger position when proved right etc etc etc), move in line with the actual occurrence. It's the difference between Forecast and Actual when you look at company accounts. The forecast is someone's opinion, the actual is what really happens.
Also i hear a lot about "these figures were worse/better than what the market expected causing blah blah blah", what kind of material do i need to be studying to know what the market is expecting(ie. rough ball park figures) I know this isn't a very straightforward question, though i would just like your opinion on how you tackle this sort of information with your analysis techniques.

Thanks in advance for any advice dazza22

Don't get confused Dazza - this is media, not reporting. Even consensus numbers can be wrong (and frequently are - after all the consensus numbers would have you believe in July 07 that the market would be strong for years to come). Reporters and some paid information providers collate the opinion of analysts together, as if the sum of the parts is greater than the whole and the media refer to it as "the market". It's very much like taking a poll of 1000 people and correctly determining the actions of a billion people. It's frequently inaccurate and wrong - but to understand why it's wrong, you need to read the analyst reports - and I have better things to do with my time than reads other people's opinion.

I've just been delving around other beginners threads and keep reading, RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH. like thats all well and good for someone who knows what they're talking about but as a beginner i have no idea what that means(maybe im a little behind the 8 ball :p). Does it mean boot up google and type in the asx code and see the shares performance against an index such as the all ords,
Investigate RSI's or relative strength indicators
does it mean look at what dividends its likely to pay out.....
investigate value investing
Another piece of advice ive gotten(i know to take it all with a pinch of salt so don't say) is that stuff in the news has already happened so theres no point in buying something that has recently had a big story, lets say hypothetically this is the case. im not psychic so how am i meant to predict a stock that has a high probability for growth?? (sorry if this seemed a bit ranty)

Dazza go to the investing resources section of this forum and read up on what books others have read to start them on their way. You need to have a good grounding before you know what questions to ask. Many here will also tell you not to bother with the questions you are asking because all the information you need will be in the share chart. This question is a bit broad for me to answer concisely so all I can do is wish you good luck on your Journey towards enlightenment.


I'll let someone else post next lol

ive also been delving into software to help with my learning aswell. Two programs ive found useful are fc charts and quotetracker which work nicely with my comsec account, the main pros to these being that they are free and useful lol. I have allot of time on my hands being a uni student haha, my life consists of 20 contact hours during a trading week and everything else i do i cram into the afternoons, also because i live in wa the trading days over by about lunch time, so i was wondering if i could get some advice specifically on how to be an active or even a day trader(i cant seem to do this successfully and my profits from longer trades are mainly used to cover mistakes from these day trades).

Thanks dazza22

Dazza Take my advice. Give up daytrading for a while and run a practice account. It will save you money in the short-term and make you a better trader. You don't know what it is you don't know, and have no way of knowing what it is you don't know. But that lack of knowledge has the potential to HURT you. Go read the Brisconnection thread on this forum for a little eye-opener on how bad your lack of knowledge could hurt you. Or alternatively go read the Storm Financial thread on what happens when you leave it some advisers hands. Go to the Uni library and take out lots of books, ask the finance students for their textbooks. Learn to walk before you try and run. Currently it sounds like you are gambling, not trading, not investing and the rule about gambling is... the house always wins.

Cheers

Sir O
 
Hi,
Is AFT a new company, because it's share are at .001 cent on high or low. I try to read about company infor but could not find out. Can you advice actually what it is, is it a right issue or real shares, same is my question about AUZ.
Thanks in advance.
Albi
 
Haha
Thanks alot Sir O, i guess alot of those questions i really knew the answer to before i asked, I was hoping that a few words from an expert would make me an instant pro haha. I think i might learn to swim from the shallows instead of the deep, as a second attempt at it. I have now taken out a few beginners books and now have a better point of veiw as to what sources of information to delve into, (an even better one at the end of the week when i finish them), still not a great one though, but i guess that will come with time and experience.

Though still another question about the interest rates. My wording probably wasn't the best last time. When the interest rates rose for the first time it showed other economies that ours was stabalising (becoming less volatile) and as a result allot of foreign investors saw Australia as a safer option, with a better risk vs return ratios than other western markets.
Just recently the chairman of the(american) federal reserve stated that the turmoil of the financial system was abating. So i thought that a further gain in interest rates would further better our stance in the scheme of the world economy. I guess this falls back to the point you made
So knowing this do you think another rate rise will have the same effect and do you think everyone agrees with you? (because only the aggregate opinion matters).

One last thing actually, I regularly check com sec for their video reports, would you recommend that i just stick with their research announcements, charting and fundamental analysis for starters, or do factors like media have an impact on stocks that is too big to ignore?

Thanks again for all your help and advice. i will bother you in a week or two once ive done a bit of ground work if thats alright?:eek:

Dazza22
 
Maybe i should have read for another hour before i began asking questions again. Ignore that post thats 2 posts up, since I dont know how/if i can delete it.

Thanks Dazza22
 
Hi all,
I have an account in Margin lending on comsec and my credit limit is quiet sufficient. My question is - if I use that credit to buy the shares and sell it on the very same day, Is this naked selling? Can I do this on comsec or not. Some times I am sure that price will go high but due to lack of money I dont buy them. Your answers will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Albi
 
Hi all,
I have an account in Margin lending on comsec and my credit limit is quiet sufficient. My question is - if I use that credit to buy the shares and sell it on the very same day, Is this naked selling? Can I do this on comsec or not. Some times I am sure that price will go high but due to lack of money I dont buy them. Your answers will be highly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Albi

Albi,

If you buy and sell the same shares on the same day, most market participants (including commsec) will simply credit one transaction off against the other. (This is not naked selling as you own the underlying security that you are selling). They have other system's in place to stop unusual sized transactions from going ahead. Note however that depending upon the LVR of the stock you wish to purchase this can have a large effect on your credit reserves and borrowing capacity.
Cheers

Sir O
 
Albi,

If you buy and sell the same shares on the same day, most market participants (including commsec) will simply credit one transaction off against the other. (This is not naked selling as you own the underlying security that you are selling). They have other system's in place to stop unusual sized transactions from going ahead. Note however that depending upon the LVR of the stock you wish to purchase this can have a large effect on your credit reserves and borrowing capacity.
Cheers

Sir O

Just like to add if you Short then cover same day without borrow, then that is naked short selling. Even if you held the position for a minute.
ASIC are pretty strict on that
 
Hi Sir O
I am an experienced fundamental investor.I believe fundamental investers need to use momentum(tech indicators).After much searching you have been the best starting point by far.
While I wait for your next lesson could you suggest a couple of books for
a fund. investor that wants to use bar charts for buy and sell timing for medium term for indiv.stocks and the market generally.(there are so many )
thanks
johnpat
 
Hi Sir O
I am an experienced fundamental investor.I believe fundamental investers need to use momentum(tech indicators).After much searching you have been the best starting point by far.
While I wait for your next lesson could you suggest a couple of books for
a fund. investor that wants to use bar charts for buy and sell timing for medium term for indiv.stocks and the market generally.(there are so many )
thanks
johnpat

Johnpat thanks for your kind words. Read the following: -

(Mis)behaviour of Markets by Benoit Mandlebrot

it will make you question your fundamentals but is highly valuable.

"trading for a living" by Alexander Elder is good, as is...

"Trading Tactics" by Darryl Guppy.

Cheers

Sir O
 
Sir O,

Many thanks for the time and effort you have put into educating those of use new to these ideas. :D

Cheers,
Boratz.
 
Hi, I am new to the forum and have a quick question.

I want to find the average market return of the All Ords and ASX200. I am on the S&P website and it has the total return and also the price return for only the past 5 years. Where could I find historical data that goes back further?

The price return is lower than the government bond rates, so I am a bit confused on how to use it in the CAPM formula.

Thanks:)
 
Can anyone tell me what causes there to be mulltiple single digit share trades in a stock. I have noticed this with a few stocks I hold esp.GBG over the past few days Is this normal or is there any significance to this.
Thx.
 
Gday all,

Newbie Question:

Why is that the shares market rises with great interest in the first few hours of trading and then slowly fades away by the afternoon????

Do i buy shares in the afternoon and sell in the morning????

Thanks

Tim :D
 
Gday all,

Newbie Question:

Why is that the shares market rises with great interest in the first few hours of trading and then slowly fades away by the afternoon????

Do i buy shares in the afternoon and sell in the morning????

Thanks

Tim :D
Well share markets fall with great interest in the first few hours and rise with vigour by the afternoon too.

When testing strategies, the fact that most interest is generated at opening and closing times is most important and should be taken into consideration when deciding upon entry and exit times.
 
Short of experiance what is the best source of education you would recomend. A course, books, a person?

I dont yet have a charting program, which one(s) do you use and why.
Im looking to develop a trading system (one which will hopefully work :D)

But Im just starting out.

Cheers
 
Short of experiance what is the best source of education you would recomend. A course, books, a person?

I honestly can't answer this question except from a personal level. Everyone will be different so different methods will work for different people. Many people will say that you will not learn until you have something to lose, but I do suggest back-testing as a way of learning how to create a system with positive expectancy and to gain experience. There are several threads on these boards about books and various courses that you can look at.

Gaining an experienced mentor is invaluable, but truly difficult to find such people who have the time to devote to your needs. I help the girls in the office learn how to trade, but only spend a hour or so every month doing actualy training.

I dont yet have a charting program, which one(s) do you use and why.

Market Analyst

Im looking to develop a trading system (one which will hopefully work :D)

But Im just starting out.

Good luck


Hey that's my signoff!!

Sir O
 
I would recommend a person.
Experience counts.

As for courses it depends who is running them.
There are many who are charlatans.
When looking into courses I would verified their credentials with references,industry experiences etc..
I would not listen to anyone who didnt have 20 years experience under their belt in the professional world.
 
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