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Dazza I know it says all your questions answered, but it doesn't mention the word.."Timely", I've been avoiding answering your novella until I could spare the time I needed to respond properly.Hey,
Thanks so much for all your advice and explanations on "how it all works"(special mention to Sir O), I've kinda been "trading" for 2 months now and had no real idea on what i was doing. ie. saying that stock sounds good im going to buy some of that, really more straight out gambling than investing, and luckily fluctuating a bit over even. I've been to a few seminars held by the asx and stuff to try and gauge a general idea of what i'm doing though am still pretty vague on everything. I'm trying to stay aware of whats going on reading the news and stuff. Like recently there was an interest rate rise by our reserve bank and that was awesome for our economy and a large portion of shares jumped, and they are predicting another rate rise on Melbourne cup day.
How is a rate rise "awesome for our economy?" When interest rates are increased the Reserve Bank is attempting to slow our economy down. By increasing interest rates, it is now more expensive for companies to borrow money, how is this a good thing? Householders now have to put more money on the mortgage, so they have less to spend, less expenditure is a slowing mechanism.
So do you know the reason then why the shares had a little movement? (To quote the Matrix movies "This is how you come to me, without why, without power." [insert bad french accent])
The reason for that movement was that we are the first western economies to initiate such a slowing mechanism, so there is some sentiment attached to that. It also means that those economies that currently have a very low interest rate like 0% for example can move that money into Australia and get a higher rate of interest. Capice?
So knowing this do you think another rate rise will have the same effect and do you think everyone agrees with you? (because only the aggregate opinion matters).
What my question is really is, if the market knows an event is going to occur ie. intrest rate rise, has it already adjusted itself as though it has already happened, and deviates according to how accurate the predictions were or does it choose not to fluctuate until much closer to the date.
Define "Knows". The word you are searching for here is "anticipates". The market (with a higher or lower degree of certainty) anticipates that there will be a rate increase. Depending upon a) the degree of certainty, and b) the time period to the event; it will adjust according to the aggregate whim of the market participants. When the event occurs, those market participants who did not anticipate correctly (or misread the degree of change, or who try and take a larger position when proved right etc etc etc), move in line with the actual occurrence. It's the difference between Forecast and Actual when you look at company accounts. The forecast is someone's opinion, the actual is what really happens.
Also i hear a lot about "these figures were worse/better than what the market expected causing blah blah blah", what kind of material do i need to be studying to know what the market is expecting(ie. rough ball park figures) I know this isn't a very straightforward question, though i would just like your opinion on how you tackle this sort of information with your analysis techniques.
Thanks in advance for any advice dazza22
Don't get confused Dazza - this is media, not reporting. Even consensus numbers can be wrong (and frequently are - after all the consensus numbers would have you believe in July 07 that the market would be strong for years to come). Reporters and some paid information providers collate the opinion of analysts together, as if the sum of the parts is greater than the whole and the media refer to it as "the market". It's very much like taking a poll of 1000 people and correctly determining the actions of a billion people. It's frequently inaccurate and wrong - but to understand why it's wrong, you need to read the analyst reports - and I have better things to do with my time than reads other people's opinion.
Investigate RSI's or relative strength indicatorsI've just been delving around other beginners threads and keep reading, RESEARCH RESEARCH RESEARCH. like thats all well and good for someone who knows what they're talking about but as a beginner i have no idea what that means(maybe im a little behind the 8 ball ). Does it mean boot up google and type in the asx code and see the shares performance against an index such as the all ords,
investigate value investingdoes it mean look at what dividends its likely to pay out.....
Another piece of advice ive gotten(i know to take it all with a pinch of salt so don't say) is that stuff in the news has already happened so theres no point in buying something that has recently had a big story, lets say hypothetically this is the case. im not psychic so how am i meant to predict a stock that has a high probability for growth?? (sorry if this seemed a bit ranty)
Dazza go to the investing resources section of this forum and read up on what books others have read to start them on their way. You need to have a good grounding before you know what questions to ask. Many here will also tell you not to bother with the questions you are asking because all the information you need will be in the share chart. This question is a bit broad for me to answer concisely so all I can do is wish you good luck on your Journey towards enlightenment.
I'll let someone else post next lol
ive also been delving into software to help with my learning aswell. Two programs ive found useful are fc charts and quotetracker which work nicely with my comsec account, the main pros to these being that they are free and useful lol. I have allot of time on my hands being a uni student haha, my life consists of 20 contact hours during a trading week and everything else i do i cram into the afternoons, also because i live in wa the trading days over by about lunch time, so i was wondering if i could get some advice specifically on how to be an active or even a day trader(i cant seem to do this successfully and my profits from longer trades are mainly used to cover mistakes from these day trades).
Thanks dazza22
Dazza Take my advice. Give up daytrading for a while and run a practice account. It will save you money in the short-term and make you a better trader. You don't know what it is you don't know, and have no way of knowing what it is you don't know. But that lack of knowledge has the potential to HURT you. Go read the Brisconnection thread on this forum for a little eye-opener on how bad your lack of knowledge could hurt you. Or alternatively go read the Storm Financial thread on what happens when you leave it some advisers hands. Go to the Uni library and take out lots of books, ask the finance students for their textbooks. Learn to walk before you try and run. Currently it sounds like you are gambling, not trading, not investing and the rule about gambling is... the house always wins.
Cheers
Sir O