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Garpal Gumnut said:
It's being rolled out in Townsville in to only basket weaving Labor suburbs such as Mundingburra and Aitkenvale.
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I would have thought you'd have learned that posting demonstrably false info in this thread is not going to do you any favours:


Seems that there's not much of Townsville that isn't either under construction already, or contracted....


Even the James Cook University and Townsville Hospital won't have access for years.

gg
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Both the hospital and the Uni already have fibre connections.
 
the day in the life of a syboy

3 hours out of 8 trying to get Telstra to do what they're supposed to do

Issue in Suburban Sydney for a customer who has a line so unstable it's basically useless. Constant errors on their modem.

Now when logging a fault with Telstra their system does a test, and it surely shows there's an open circuit or short on the line, yet I deal with Telstra "testers" who tell me there's nothing wrong with the line. Must be the customer modem they say. Try to get them to understand that we have supplied the customer with a business grade industrial modem recently so very unlikely to be the modem.

So Telstra technician attends the fault...maybe. Never presents himself to the customer, closes the fault without calling me as NFF..yes that was the sum total of his comments in the case, and Telstra have the hide to try and bill my company for an incorrect callout fee.

So then I have to log a new case. Telstra is the ONLY company I have ever dealt with that can close a fault without confirming the service has restored, and then when you call back for an update they force you to open a new case and treat it as if the clock for restoration has just started ticking.

Sum total of an hour on the phone and online.

Then I have to deal with an issue over in Derby WA. Once again, Telstra tech closes fault, though this time he did find an issue and moved us on to a new main cable pair. Prob is he never called my group and customer still not working.

Once again I have to raise a new case with Telstra then spend 45 minutes going through escalations group to testers. Tester is adamant that the customer modem is not correctly configured. Tell him sorry, but the customer has no access to the modem, couldn't change the config. He is still adamant that it's a modem issue since he doesn't see any authentication request coming from the modem. I'm like, well if the line is faulty, then could the auth request make it through. Some silence as he parses that question. Told he will do some further checking. A while later another tester calls up, and I go through the same rigmarole - another 20 minutes of wasted time.

Then we have a fault in the city for a customer. Our tech has tested the line with 14V of foreign voltage. Line is basically useless because of this. Now this is a standard fault criteria for Telstra. Only issue is that to see it you have to disconnect the line from the customer and exchange sides. Telstra in their wisdom have dumbed down their workforce so severely that they only have a small number of level 2 field techs who are able to do this.

Now it gets even better. Telstra tell me I have to raise an interference investigation to get this sorted out. After a long circular process whereby I cannot get them to understand that if I do this, it will not be treated as an interference condition as I have a standard fault condition. Then it's like I have to send my field tech back to do a complete line test - TDR - that generally takes 1.5 hours because they have to fully isolate the line and run the tests.

Now the real kicker is an interference investigation is a customer paying service. Even if Telstra do find an issue in their network, the customer has to pay for the privilege of it, purely because Telstra don't have enough qualified staff to do the work. Oh and it takes 5 working days for a tech to attend these kinds of faults too.

Oh, nearly forgot about the customer who's on a Telstra DSLAM that is congested. Told by their helpdesk tough. After speaking to our Telstra account manager we then have to go via the online Telstra system to raise a complaint. Telstra have 5 working days - not including the day of entry - to respond to the complaint with a reference number. They will then endevour to respond in some fashion within 20 working days after they have assigned a reference to the complaint.

So this is the current state of play within the Telecommunications market. Anyone who thinks the above is unusual, I can assure you hand on heart that these are nothing particularly outlandish from Telstra. I still laugh when one of our field techs met a Telstra tech to do some cooperative testing. He connected his multimeter to the line and earthed it on a plastic pipe nearby. Our FT asked him what he was doing and the Telstra FT condescendingly told him he was earthing his multi meter to do a test. Our field tech then had to give him a brief lesson on how electricity works, and when it doesn't.

So, if you think this is the way the Australian Telecommunications industry should continue to operate, then by all means support the NOBN offered by Malcom T, but just accept that Australia will loose the race to attract the talent and investment that will come from having the first truly national ubiquitous fiber network in the world!
 




Your map, if you knew Townsville, proves my point.

The early giveners are suburbs full of ALP hacks, doctors ' wives and ALP basket weavers.

Next on line are rich and influential pockets/suburbs.

Third last are working Australian families.

Second last are Indigenous areas.

Last of all those suburbs who vote Liberal.

It is an utter disgrace. A wasteful use of taxpayers money.


gg
 

What I can't understand, is why you think it will be any better dealing with the new service provider, once it is privatised. Again.
 
sptrawler said:
What I can't understand, is why you think it will be any better dealing with the new service provider, once it is privatised. Again.
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I suppose we'll wait for another LNP Govt to see the cookie jar is full of a tasty asset to sell off. Bet they'll add the lovely vertical integration of a Telstra and let them go full retail.

The great thing about the NBN is they're not retail, and my life is so much easier for NBN faults.

Do I see the customer modem mac on our NNI port?

Yes - then prob on my side of the fence

NO - then NBN needs to fix it.

Howard needs to be SHOT for selling off Telstra the way he did. Retail should have been sold, whith network / wholesale kept in public hands, or sold off as a separate entity. I would argue the way things stand that consumers and business especially, have been right royal shafted that the sale price has been lost in higher charges.
 

I wouldn't normally go to so much trouble, but given your history of demonstrably false posts, I thought I'd check the last Townsville federal results by polling place. You can find them here:
http://results.aec.gov.au/15508/Website/HouseDivisionTcpByPollingPlace-15508-165.htm

So according to your claim, the first areas (purple and orange) are ALP areas, while the last are Liberal voters.

Alas, according to the last election results the Aitkinvale booth (the purple area) was won by the LNP candidate 51-49.
The other suburb covered in the first purple segment was Mundingburra South, which was won by the ALP 50.1-49.9.
And the third purple area is a new estate in Annandale, which was won by LNP 60-40.

So overall slightly leaning towards the LNP.

The (orange) areas currently under construction seem rather evenly split between ALP and LNP voters:
Cranbrook (Won by LNP 55-45)
Townsville CBD (won by LNP 54-46)
South Townsville (Won by ALP 52-48)
Pimilco (Won by ALP 51-49)


Could it be that the rollout was based on the location of the POI (determined by the ACCC in May 2010), and that the rollout fans out from that POI across the area?

Or is it far too obvious that someone would roll a cable network outwards from the connection point to the areas served by that connection point?

Or perhaps the electrical and optical engineers at NBN Co studied the electoral boundaries before they designed their network, and plotted a course around the LNP areas? If they did, then they'd better go back to school because they did a rather poor job of it.
 

GG is politically motivated, claims to be a swing voter, someone who is not party political, claims to have voted Labor....im guessing perhaps once when left in no doubt as to the total corruption of the joh beilke peterson dictatorship.

Just another example of the near total lack of credibility that the ASF right has.
 
"Just another example of the near total lack of credibility that the ASF right has."SO_C why lump all the right in one basket?I for one would be far to the right of GG. I wouldn't stop the boats, I would sink them for example,having said that I totally support the NBN. Cheers Al.
 
Anyone who thinks Bullturns line of Private enterprise rolling out a broadband network needs to compare Telstra Velocity prices to the NBN and see what private enterprise sees as an adequate return on their investment.

I laught at the fact that if Mr Abbott could admit he's bene wrong about the NBN and that he would fully support the current project that he would probably seal his victory later this year.

As it stands I think between his NoBN and crazy paid paternity leave policy he's scaring off enough voters to make his victory less assured.
 

I'll reply to you first, SC, and then to NBNMyths, who at least has some credibility with me.

For some reason I push your buttons, in a negative way. I apologise for that.

I find some of your posts useful, but you should save some of the tar with which you brush others for yourself.

I have said that some years ago I voted Labor.

I am a committed supporter of the LNP.

I do not pore over your posts trying to guess your voting intentions, but I fear for any party you would belong to or join, as you are a Tonto.

I have many Labor mates, and folk like you would be surprised at the sharing of views and work for the common good that goes on daily between ALP and LNP members

You need to grow up or at least come in to the 21st century, where the political landscape is more clear, than in your simplistic Left/Right universe.

You are a muggle.

gg
 

Thanks NBNMyths,

Now that I know what I am, I should thank you.

I find personal comments unbecoming and will not accuse you of being a muggle, though you portray some of the characteristics of same.

Annandale does not appear purple on your map.

It displays some ignorance on your part of Townsville topography.

I can assure you, and anyone in Townsville will agree, that the NBN has been first rolled out to upper class ALP voters, enclaves such as Mundingburra and Pimlico where doctors wives and mid to upper level public servants live.

Also booths in Townsville bear little resemblance to the demographics of voters.

Annandale, full of working families who vote LNP in Dawson ( based on Mackay, which has an LNP member George Christensen, Annandale being the most northern booth ) has been excluded from the NBN in the foreseeable future.

Look at the bloody map again, or come and visit.

gg
 
Having worked at the townsville hospital and at the mater hospital, and having lived in Townsville for some time, I have a little understanding of where the "doctor's wives" live (especially those of the Mater doctors).

Also, the last STATE election saw a massive swing to LNP, and this is of relevance to a point, but also historically in Townsville, before the last election, Peter Lindsay (federal) had a large following, and Labor struggled against him.

http://results.aec.gov.au/13745/Website/HouseDivisionTcpByPollingPlace-13745-165.htm shows the 2007 election, and although the NBN is a federal initiative, I think that the massive support Labor historically receives from Townsville is also relevant in this argument.

Therefore I agree in essence with GGs comments.
MW

PS
http://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/elections/state/state2009/results/booth84.html
http://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/elections/state/state2006/results/booth84.html
http://www.ecq.qld.gov.au/elections/state/state2009/results/booth61.html

DO NOT underestimate the ability of Peter Lindsay to hold the federal vote for liberal whilst the vast majority of townsvillians were Labor supporters in general.
ie GG was correct
 
Our internet and phones and eftpos in Townsville have been out, something to do with a cable broken down south, all today.

Businesses would have lost millions in the North today.

The NBN will be similarly ransom to weather events.

We should have spent all the money on wireless.

But no, a brilliant idea by a couple of Labor appartchiks who have never worked a day in their lives in private enterprise, thought up over a vino in a business class seat, on the back of an envelope, trumps common sense.

gg
 

How heavy is the rain currently??? I used to have to support a microwave link in Thailand. Could always tell what the rain was like from the amount of errors on the line. Could tell it was monsoon kind of rain when the link failed. Heavy rain affects wireless quite a lot.

So if the cable down south is broken, I'd assume that was a major trunk fibre. Considering the rainfall that's occurred it would be hard to build any kind of infrastructure that would reliably cope with it.

At least with fibre you wont get the performance degradation I am seeing for customers from Sydney up that you get with copper ADSL. As soon as the cables get a bit wet things slow down or just totally fail till the cable dries out.
 

1. If the cable cut was a major one, linking the Townsville phone networks with the rest of the country (as I believe it was), then it would also have affected the wireless since all those mobile towers are connected to the same optical fibre backbone network as the rest of the networks. Wireless towers require electricity and a data link to operate.

The above is of course in addition to the fact that the laws of physics (radio-via-air V light-via-glass) prevent any wireless tech from ever approaching optical fibre for capacity.


2. There's not a single country or telecommunications company on the planet that is proposing to replace urban or suburban fixed networks with wireless. Not one. Even the Coalition's broadband plan is not wireless. Do you think you know better than every telco expert in the World, and your own beloved LNP?


3. Continuing 2.... The ALP adopted what the experts in telecommunications recommended - Fibre To The Premises. FTTP is the network of choice all around the World for both private enterprise and Government-owned Telcos. 60 countries have varying levels of FTTP underway. Google are building an FTTP network in Kansas. Most Asian countries have mandated FTTP rollouts. The US, UK, NZ and much of Europe all have targets or projects underway to increase FTTP networks. Even the coalition propose FTTP for all new homes.

I know it must be hard to admit it, but whether you like them or not, the ALP's NBN is admired and touted Worldwide as a very good project. Especially by your beloved "private sector".... Google, Intel, Microsoft, Vodafone, Optus, the Australian Small business council....etc. have all praised the project.

You might want to check the public statements on this page, and the qualifications of those who made them:

http://nbnmyths.wordpress.com/what-do-the-experts-say/
 
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