NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sptrawler]

Most of Northern Australia is very fertile soil, it is the lack of reliable water, that is the issue.
In W.A they have had great results at Camballin, it was wound up because of flooding in the wet season.
Canarvon is a great source of fruit. Wiluna oranges were grown with great success.
As for the Ord the Chinese didn't hesitate buying into the latest release of land.
Everyone acknowledges the world faces a food shortage, meanwhile we have a huge untapped area of farmable land.
It is going to be hard to build a future Australia, with everyone wanting to sit on their bums in the southern cities. While the north of the continent is under utilised and populated by fifo workers living in dongas.

 

[NBNMyths]

That will be why so many of their senior executives have abruptly resigned, I suppose? Commitment.

Yes, all three of them......Oh, hang on. Over a 2 year period one retired at age 61, one resigned and one was made redundant.

I hope the CEO turns the light out as he leaves, since with three people gone, there must be nobody left.

 

[sydboy007]

Most of Northern Australia is very fertile soil, it is the lack of reliable water, that is the issue.
In W.A they have had great results at Camballin, it was wound up because of flooding in the wet season.
Canarvon is a great source of fruit. Wiluna oranges were grown with great success.
As for the Ord the Chinese didn't hesitate buying into the latest release of land.
Everyone acknowledges the world faces a food shortage, meanwhile we have a huge untapped area of farmable land.
It is going to be hard to build a future Australia, with everyone wanting to sit on their bums in the southern cities. While the north of the continent is under utilised and populated by fifo workers living in dongas.

Will be interesting to see how they deal with the pest issues that bedeviled the Ord in it's early stages.

I'd also argue that mosqito born illness are going to flourish as the hotter and wetter climate increase the range and lenght of time for their breeding.

Dengue fever was unknown 50 years ago, and now it's a global wide issue. Nasty virus too. has 4 strains, and gaining immunity to one leaves you far more susceptible to the others.

Maybe we can build cities up there, but speak to those living in Darwin about what it's like to constantly live in high humidity and high temperatures. Not many of us can cope with that.

As for the Chinese buying into the Ord, I'd say it's just about as much to learn about modern intensive farming practices from a country that has some of the highest cropping yields in the world, than about the land itself.

Anywho, if anyone thinks the current broadband infrastructure is up to standard in Australia, then you must live in a pretty good area, as I know of only 1 friend who has a speed higher than my 12Mbs, and most would be happy to be able to get a reliable 6Mbs connection.

At least with the NBN you WILL get the speed you pay for, companies WILL be able to design services based around minimum speeds for large customer bases.

Baring a blowout in construction costs - so far no indication this is occurring - what is the issue? If you use the internet now you will pay the same, or even less than you currently do. It's like a mobile phone plan. Every 2 years you get a new phone for about the same amount of money as what you currently pay on contract. Now we're building a fiber network that will have cables able to support the network till I don't know when, but am sure I'll have fallen off me perch long before then.

 

[sptrawler]

Will be interesting to see how they deal with the pest issues that bedeviled the Ord in it's early stages.

I'd also argue that mosqito born illness are going to flourish as the hotter and wetter climate increase the range and lenght of time for their breeding.

Dengue fever was unknown 50 years ago, and now it's a global wide issue. Nasty virus too. has 4 strains, and gaining immunity to one leaves you far more susceptible to the others.

Maybe we can build cities up there, but speak to those living in Darwin about what it's like to constantly live in high humidity and high temperatures. Not many of us can cope with that.

As for the Chinese buying into the Ord, I'd say it's just about as much to learn about modern intensive farming practices from a country that has some of the highest cropping yields in the world, than about the land itself.

Anywho, if anyone thinks the current broadband infrastructure is up to standard in Australia, then you must live in a pretty good area, as I know of only 1 friend who has a speed higher than my 12Mbs, and most would be happy to be able to get a reliable 6Mbs connection.

At least with the NBN you WILL get the speed you pay for, companies WILL be able to design services based around minimum speeds for large customer bases.

Baring a blowout in construction costs - so far no indication this is occurring - what is the issue? If you use the internet now you will pay the same, or even less than you currently do. It's like a mobile phone plan. Every 2 years you get a new phone for about the same amount of money as what you currently pay on contract. Now we're building a fiber network that will have cables able to support the network till I don't know when, but am sure I'll have fallen off me perch long before then.

As I have said on numerous occassions, there is nothing wrong with the NBN concept.
It is just I personaly feel, at this point in time, the money could have been spent on more productive infrastructure.
I accept I could be wrong, time will tell. Maybe we will lead the world with cutting edge technology, maybe our schooling system will produce better results.

As for people not wanting to live in the North, they had better get over themselves. There is one thing for sure, if we don't populate and develop it, it will only be a matter of time before someone else does.
As the worlds population grows and the food shortage takes hold, countries will look further afield.

 

[sydboy007]

Why would the senior management be worried about the LNP ?

Their job after all is to build it and not concern themselves about partisan politics, from either side.



You've presented some good and thought provoking arguments supporting this project, but this to me is not one of them. In terms of scale, the Great Eastern was a world first as was the French attempt to build the Panama Canal.

Donning a bi-partisan hat for a moment, I hope Labor have got it right as I prefer not to see taxpayers money wasted. What ultimately worries me though is the balance between the vision and critical financial anlaysis.

Because they have been attacked politically by the LNP. The whole NBN rollout has been politicised. Question the project itself yes, but don't attack the integrity of the people doing the work.

Maybe I have a bias since I work in the IT world, but I also have direct experience with just how worn out the current copper network is. To me doing nothing is not an option, because most of Asia and the USA and the emerging world will overtake us in the next 10-15 years.

The LNP FTTN to me is a huge waste of money, and there is so little detail provided by them. I can understand you can't give a fully costed plan, but they should be able to provide a summary of:

* how many nodes
* will the nodes require aircon or have milspec equipment able to handle 70 deg temps
* maximum cable length
* number of wireless base stations and locations that they will support
* what contractual negotiations they will need to undertake with Telstra
* What issues they think the ACCC will raise

I would argue that the LNP FTTN network would be a huge waste of money as it would have little economic value for the tax payer, would require endless subsidies in rural areas, and will most likely entrench Telstra as the dominant force for decades.

From everything I've been able to find out about how the project is running, it has a highly competent group of people managing the broad scope of the project, along with competent levels below them ensuring the day to day operations are running well.

If anything the ALP are to be applauded for letting the NBN get on with the job and not micro managing them and getting in the road of the people who know what they're doing and how best to achieve results.

I would argue that so far the number of people signing up to the higher end plans is boding well for the NBNs finances. If the trend continues it looks like the project will be able to pay off the debt faster and / or drop prices faster than currently planned, due to the higher ARPU being earned. SMEs in Willunga were taking up the 100/40 plans because of the minimal price difference to lower speed plans, and the fact they can do everything instantly now. I can see it revolutionising things in the home user space, but to me the truly outstanding feature of the NBN will be to provide the SME market with broadband access that has really been only in the realm of the largest of companies due to the cost and limited areas it is offered. If the SME community is not saving a couple of billion a year on their communications (broadband and phone) by the time the NBN is completed, then they seriously need to hire some decent IT staff or bring in a consultant to show them where they're going wrong.

 

[Bill M]

If anything the ALP are to be applauded for letting the NBN get on with the job and not micro managing them and getting in the road of the people who know what they're doing and how best to achieve results.

I would argue that so far the number of people signing up to the higher end plans is boding well for the NBNs finances. If the trend continues it looks like the project will be able to pay off the debt faster and / or drop prices faster than currently planned, due to the higher ARPU being earned. SMEs in Willunga were taking up the 100/40 plans because of the minimal price difference to lower speed plans, and the fact they can do everything instantly now. I can see it revolutionising things in the home user space, but to me the truly outstanding feature of the NBN will be to provide the SME market with broadband access that has really been only in the realm of the largest of companies due to the cost and limited areas it is offered. If the SME community is not saving a couple of billion a year on their communications (broadband and phone) by the time the NBN is completed, then they seriously need to hire some decent IT staff or bring in a consultant to show them where they're going wrong.

+1 The sooner they bring it into my area the better. A lot of good posts from you on this, cheers.

 

[sptrawler]

+1 The sooner they bring it into my area the better. A lot of good posts from you on this, cheers.

Yep, +1 I just don't see how you 250,000 guys in I.T are going to support us guys on a pension.

Otherwise a lot of great posts, love your enthusiasm, hope it pays the bills.

 

[Julia]

Yes, all three of them......Oh, hang on. Over a 2 year period one retired at age 61, one resigned and one was made redundant.

Three senior people over just two years is significant.

 

[dutchie]

Suits the twit right down to the ground.

 

[sydboy007]

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Suits the twit right down to the ground.

Considering the LNP gave us:

Senator Luddite - oops Alston

then Helen Coonan, who was never the brightest lamp in the tanning bed,

and now the right Honourable Earl of Wentworth Malcom T who twittered to someone question his FTTN network with the following response:

so if you believe that I guess you believe Santa brought you your presents on a sleigh with reindeers, right?

So, bag Conroy as much as you like, but he's prob the least worst out of the lot.

 

[drsmith]

If anything the ALP are to be applauded for letting the NBN get on with the job and not micro managing them and getting in the road of the people who know what they're doing and how best to achieve results.

I hope you are right, but when I read that, it was red underpants that came to mind.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

It's being rolled out in Townsville in to only basket weaving Labor suburbs such as Mundingburra and Aitkenvale.

Even the James Cook University and Townsville Hospital won't have access for years.

gg

 

[DB008]

It's being rolled out in Townsville in to only basket weaving Labor suburbs such as Mundingburra and Aitkenvale.

Even the James Cook University and Townsville Hospital won't have access for years.

gg

I put this to Sydboy007 via PM.

Wouldn't you want the maximize your ROI on such a big investment by rolling out in the most populated/dense areas first? Get larger uptake rates and start getting some cash back ASAP to pay down debt?

 

[So_Cynical]

I put this to Sydboy007 via PM.

Wouldn't you want the maximize your ROI on such a big investment by rolling out in the most populated/dense areas first? Get larger uptake rates and start getting some cash back ASAP to pay down debt?

NBN - National Broadband Network

Big picture guys, National.

 

[DB008]

NBN - National Broadband Network

Big picture guys, National.

Yes. I know.

Please re-read my question. ROI, ~35 Billion dollar project, pay down debt, large cities, sign up lots of people fast.

 

[CanOz]

Yes. I know.

Please re-read my question. ROI, ~35 Billion dollar project, pay down debt, large cities, sign up lots of people fast.

LOL @ DB008....remember mate...this is P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L...got nada to do with business sense...otherwise someone would have done it already!!

I cannot believe Australia's BB network is worse than China's still!! That is shameful!!

Canada has had High Speed iNet for over a decade!!:frown:

CanOz

 

[sptrawler]

LOL @ DB008....remember mate...this is P-O-L-I-T-I-C-A-L...got nada to do with business sense...otherwise someone would have done it already!!

I cannot believe Australia's BB network is worse than China's still!! That is shameful!!

Canada has had High Speed iNet for over a decade!!:frown:

CanOz

They also have a great pension scheme and the majority of the population are located on the U.S border.
Therefore the logistics of growing a population of 33million, as a pimple on the backside of the U.S, can in no way be compared to Australia as an island.
If you were welded to the bum of China, I don't think you would be doing so well.

 

[Smurf1976]

I put this to Sydboy007 via PM.

Wouldn't you want the maximize your ROI on such a big investment by rolling out in the most populated/dense areas first? Get larger uptake rates and start getting some cash back ASAP to pay down debt?

1. It's national.

2. The regional focus early on if of political importance.

3. It was inevitable that the first part would be in a region, Tasmania, since the network was already partly built there by the electricity industry (which had ideas of competing directly against Telstra and had gone as far as having a communications business and a modest fibre network actually in operation) before the Australian Government came up with the NBN concept and acquired the assets. It's a bit hard politically to start with a few towns in Tas, then do Sydney and Melbourne, then come back and do the rest of the country.

 

[sptrawler]

1. It's national.

2. The regional focus early on if of political importance.

3. It was inevitable that the first part would be in a region, Tasmania, since the network was already partly built there by the electricity industry (which had ideas of competing directly against Telstra and had gone as far as having a communications business and a modest fibre network actually in operation) before the Australian Government came up with the NBN concept and acquired the assets. It's a bit hard politically to start with a few towns in Tas, then do Sydney and Melbourne, then come back and do the rest of the country.

Smurph, as you know, it is going to be a never ending disaster. The cost of trying to retrofit and keep up with new roll out is mind boggling.
The best we can hope for is they pull the plug on the retrofit untill the copper breakdown demands it.
Redirect funding to install NBN to CBD's and industrial areas.IMO

 

[boofhead]

Does the hospital or universify have direct negotiating abilities or tied to what government departments decide? What about their existing contracts? I know in Tasmania the public schools were not using NBN because of the education department here having Telstra contract.