Garpal Gumnut
Ross Island Hotel
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Interesting developments today.
It appears that on the NBN, that those who need it , the poor and unwell, can't afford it, and those who can afford it, the affluent and rich, don't need it.
Business Plan 101 it ain't.
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How many of your devices are running at 300mbps ? At what about the average joe on the steet ?
My point was that if the NBN was to install fibre to a house today, how much 'extra' would the average person get out of it ?
Sure as time progresses, various house hold items will be churned, but considering the life time of some devices it ain't going to be over night, and by the time it does happen, the NBN will still be as useless as it is today.
Do we really need 100mbps?
This is what we are getting and there is very little delay in loading pages. And I see we are slower thatn 60% of Australians - NBN seems a massive overkill. A little more speed would be good, but 100 mbps seems quite unnecessary for the average home user.
If you are happy with the speeds you get, take the entry level at $35/month. You'll save 30% on what you pay now (and get 2x the speed to boot)....
That's the beauty of the NBN. If you are happy with the speeds you get, take the entry level at $35/month. You'll save 30% on what you pay now
I will? ? ?
We pay lass then $40 now - maybe get your facts straight before spewing out propaganda...
You pay "less than $40", plus $30 in line rental = ~$70 total per month.
There's no "line rental" on the NBN, as the price is a total which is all inclusive of phone + broadband. So in your case, Exetel's $34.50 entry level plan is 2x faster for about half what you currently pay.
Hows them facts?
A nice illustration of just how poorly informed the public is about what the NBN plans include, no thanks to the media who constantly fail to compare apples with apples. In none of the Oz's articles have they made mention that there's no line rental cost attached to the NBN plans and they include a phone "line" (and calls too in Internode's case).
Why do you need to upgrade any wiring?
My guess is that people will upgrade their WiFi routers as required. I have one from 2009 that already does 150Mbps. The vast majority of NBN customers are forecast to be on 12, 25 and 50Mbps plans for quite some time, so the standard 54Mbps WiFi will do them easily without need for replacement. The vast majority of people are already using either 54 (2003) or 100-300 (2009) WiFi. This includes routers and devices, so there's no need to upgrade them to get the speeds the NBN will provide.
BTW, what's the problem with consumption? Without it, we wouldn't have an economy.
Apart from the obvious parts like the retail sector, the mining industry depends on consumption. If people weren't buying cars, houses, TVs, phones, WiFi routers etc etc etc, then there wouldn't be a market for our raw materials.
Sorry to burst your reality, but consumption makes the World go around.
You pay "less than $40", plus $30 in line rental = ~$70 total per month.
There's no "line rental" on the NBN, as the price is a total which is all inclusive of phone + broadband. So in your case, Exetel's $34.50 entry level plan is 2x faster for about half what you currently pay.
Hows them facts?
A nice illustration of just how poorly informed the public is about what the NBN plans include, no thanks to the media who constantly fail to compare apples with apples. In none of the Oz's articlen that there's no line rental cost attached to the NBN plans and they include a phone "line" (and calls too in Internode's case).
Nice illustration of how little you know...
We are on broadband cable. Don't need line rental, mr smarty pants...
Try and get your facts straight. You clearly know very little.
A VAST majority run wireless G which is not fast enough for the faster speeds.
Consumption is great, in moderation, because, as you might not understand, we are in a world market where people are ramping up offerings better than ours (both in mining and manufacturing) and we need to position ourselves in a much more stable place.
and the NBN investment will not do that.
Can you quantify the increase in exports directly linked to the transition from ADSL1 to ADSL2?
Why would ADSL2 to NBN be any different?
Oakeshott came out with a classic today, he wants Conroy to explain to the Australian people the productivity improvements and the jobs that will be created by the N.B.N.
Conroy would have already spelled it out, if he knew.
Also wouldn't you think, as the chairman of the joint parliamentary committee of the N.B.N, Oakeshott would already have the answers.
It just goes to show another government stuff up about to explode.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...h-says-oakeshott/story-fn59niix-1226126660341
Obviously Conroy can't answer the question.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...forum-in-october/story-e6frg90f-1226134005712
Just shows these idiots don't know what they are doing, now they are going to ask people to come up with the job ideas for their stupid N.B.N and carbon tax policies.
Thats because they haven't got any idea if it will create jobs and in all probability will cause loss of jobs.
Oakeshott must be wondering what he has got himself tied up in, well more fool him.
IMO
I would like him to do this, AND do projections for net exports/imports for the country AND the costs vs current ADSL2
He won't, cause he knows the answers.
A RIP OFF $45 billion endeavour to increase consumption and government revenue.
Do you seriously think that the aim of the NBN is " to increase consumption and government revenue" ?
Come on, you seem like an intelligent person so I hope you are not serious. Debate about the merits or the best way to go about providing fast internet is fair enough, but to say that the above is the agenda of the government in building the NBN is ridiculous to say the least...
In the absence of a business case that proves that it will generate export dollars for the country, yes I do believe that the only use for the NBN is for consumption.
What is that alternative agenda?
Obviously Conroy can't answer the question.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...forum-in-october/story-e6frg90f-1226134005712
Just shows these idiots don't know what they are doing, now they are going to ask people to come up with the job ideas for their stupid N.B.N and carbon tax policies.
Thats because they haven't got any idea if it will create jobs and in all probability will cause loss of jobs.
Oakeshott must be wondering what he has got himself tied up in, well more fool him.
IMO
I would like him to do this, AND do projections for net exports/imports for the country AND the costs vs current ADSL2
In the absence of a business case that proves that it will generate export dollars for the country, yes I do believe that the only use for the NBN is for consumption.
What is that alternative agenda?
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