NBN Rollout Scrapped

[sptrawler]

While we are on the subject of wireless broadband, I've just done a couple of months touring England and France, their wireless coverage is rubbish. In England once you are out of Town, you're out of coverage.
Our wireless coverage, is heaps better, probably because it has to be due of remoteness.

 

[DB008]

Well, looking back to reflect on the Governments decision, and it was the right one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-16/huawei-britain-history-helps-explain-australia-anxiety/9875582​

l'm glad that they banned Huawei parts from the NBN. They should be kicked out of the country - all products, including NRL sponsorship too.

 

[sptrawler]

Well, looking back to reflect on the Governments decision, and it was the right one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-16/huawei-britain-history-helps-explain-australia-anxiety/9875582​

l'm glad that they banned Huawei parts from the NBN. They should be kicked out of the country - all products, including NRL sponsorship too.

That is the problem with cutting edge technology, you have to have technical expertise, to vet what you are getting.
You may well be getting optional extras, you don't know about.

 

[sptrawler]

S & P thinks 5G wireless technology, will cause a write down in the NBN's valuation, as the new technology will capture small cap users.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the...pears-inevitable-s-and-p-20180724-p4ztae.html

 

[PZ99]

One hopes 5G pricing plans can come down to NBN levels. I pay $60/m including the phone.

 

[sptrawler]

One hopes 5G pricing plans can come down to NBN levels. I pay $60/m including the phone.

I suppose the 5G will attract those, who just want to go all wireless and not have a home phone. It would probably attract me, except I have a daughter and a couple of grandkids living with me, so it won't be happening.

 

[HelloU]

Well, looking back to reflect on the Governments decision, and it was the right one.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-16/huawei-britain-history-helps-explain-australia-anxiety/9875582​

l'm glad that they banned Huawei parts from the NBN. They should be kicked out of the country - all products, including NRL sponsorship too.

OT NBN - but to show the complexity of this

some of our quite important front line defence equipment is not 'owned' by australia.......and we use it on a return to owner for repairs/under bonnet tweaking type agreements (with little/no knowledge of what is done under the skin during that process).

many contracts are done with australian companies that are subsidiaries of a foreign company. (and I am not talking exclusively USA here but countries we have been at war against).

One of the technical issues for NBN is that not a lot of communications electronics is made in Australia......another is we have never been at war with China - like we have with Japan and Germany.

 

[Humid]

As was said, when it was first announced, $50billion dollars is a lot of money. Just to enable high speed pr0n to be downloaded and play internet games.
It wouldn't be so bad if the ISP providers had to fund it, I'm sure Australian taxpayers would have been better served, if their money had been spent on high speed rail, gas pipeline from W.A to Cooper Basin, Snowy 2 battery.
They still would have had $30billion dollars left over, what a scam, what a bloody disgraceful waste of taxpayers money. IMO

What do you reckon little Johnny’s war on terror and invasion of Iraq cost us?
The NBN is going through my area now and seems to be fairly labour intensive with traffic management,cable pull and pitting and piping which is great for the local economy and us plebs.
All the wireless talk is great but it still relies on towers which I guess are still hard wired?
So is the problem the fibre to the kerb and node?

 

[HelloU]

hard wired - yes (usually) but do not have to be......if cable is crappy they will go fully wireless....(but think that may not necessarily be nbn for cable)... that is where my laymans expires....over to someone who knows

on the peeps out the front of yours i suspect they are good for local take-aways and motels but not so good for actual locals (but I would be very pleased if u said they were though)

 

[sptrawler]

What do you reckon little Johnny’s war on terror and invasion of Iraq cost us?
The NBN is going through my area now and seems to be fairly labour intensive with traffic management,cable pull and pitting and piping which is great for the local economy and us plebs.
All the wireless talk is great but it still relies on towers which I guess are still hard wired?
So is the problem the fibre to the kerb and node?

The problem, IMO, is two fold.
Firstly it should have been started at the CBD, so high volume data users i.e business could use it and give it a solid financial return.
Secondly, IMO, it should have at least been part funded by the telecommunication sector and if it was rolled out on a financial rather than social model, it would at least be giving a reasonable return on capital.

 

[Tisme]

S&P evaluate NBN as over valued. Suggestion of $20bn writedown

 

[HelloU]

S&P evaluate NBN as over valued. Suggestion of $20bn writedown

not seen the article..but 20 down from govt value (sell value) or 20 down from a previous S&P figure?

(will look back to see if govt figure is in here somewhere)

 

[sptrawler]

The problem, IMO, is two fold.
Firstly it should have been started at the CBD, so high volume data users i.e business could use it and give it a solid financial return.
Secondly, IMO, it should have at least been part funded by the telecommunication sector and if it was rolled out on a financial rather than social model, it would at least be giving a reasonable return on capital.

I guess this latest comprehensive S&P analysis of the NBN, sums it up better, then again Garpul summed it up perfectly very early in this thread.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...y-the-nbn-is-a-big-loser-20180725-p4zth5.html

 

[overhang]

So 12 months on from connecting the FTTN and I'm now having constant drop outs. Over the last 2 months the drop outs have made the internet connection somewhat unusable some days. It can have constant disconnections for a couple of days and then go several days with very few. Rang the ISP some time ago, over the stage of several days we went over the elimination process, new router, phone lead, they put me on a stability profile which essentially drops performance in the hope of a stable connection. None of this worked so they lodged a fault with NBN co.

A subbie for NBN co come over this week, even though my ISP did extensive testing and logs the subbie was not passed on any information from NBN co about the fault. After explaining it to him he ran a bunch of tests from both my wall socket and the box on the side of the house which essentially told him the copper is in good condition. The first two tests my upload failed the NBN minimum speed but the next one passed. He rang NBN co to ask for advice, they could see the constant drop outs and low upload speed looking over the logs but as the last test passed they advised him the job was a "fault not found". I told him that the issue isn't fixed, the drop outs aren't going to fix themselves, so he told me to just lodge a fault again through the ISP the next time it happens. Said next time he might change the pairs, inside the house.

Hours after he left the dropouts occurred again, contacted ISP who have now lodged another fault. Reading up and this isn't an uncommon problem with FTTN however the problem seems to be a nightmare to fix with people reporting NBN Co making over 5 visits to fix the problem which by all accounts seems to be a fault with the port at the node but this is the last thing NBN co look at.

I guess I'm an example of what the experts advised was a failure of a NBN policy this coalition government implemented.

 

[Tisme]

So 12 months on from connecting the FTTN and I'm now having constant drop outs. Over the last 2 months the drop outs have made the internet connection somewhat unusable some days. It can have constant disconnections for a couple of days and then go several days with very few. Rang the ISP some time ago, over the stage of several days we went over the elimination process, new router, phone lead, they put me on a stability profile which essentially drops performance in the hope of a stable connection. None of this worked so they lodged a fault with NBN co.

A subbie for NBN co come over this week, even though my ISP did extensive testing and logs the subbie was not passed on any information from NBN co about the fault. After explaining it to him he ran a bunch of tests from both my wall socket and the box on the side of the house which essentially told him the copper is in good condition. The first two tests my upload failed the NBN minimum speed but the next one passed. He rang NBN co to ask for advice, they could see the constant drop outs and low upload speed looking over the logs but as the last test passed they advised him the job was a "fault not found". I told him that the issue isn't fixed, the drop outs aren't going to fix themselves, so he told me to just lodge a fault again through the ISP the next time it happens. Said next time he might change the pairs, inside the house.

Hours after he left the dropouts occurred again, contacted ISP who have now lodged another fault. Reading up and this isn't an uncommon problem with FTTN however the problem seems to be a nightmare to fix with people reporting NBN Co making over 5 visits to fix the problem which by all accounts seems to be a fault with the port at the node but this is the last thing NBN co look at.

I guess I'm an example of what the experts advised was a failure of a NBN policy this coalition government implemented.

I'm on my third modem at home, the last one cactus because the copper line in carried a lightning surge that then killed almost all the hardwired network TV's, amps, electronics, cameras, in the place.... and that's a lot of gear. I'm guessing the nodes aren't earthed the same as the old pillars. I now have RJ45 surge diverters on all the end connections.

 

[PZ99]

So 12 months on from connecting the FTTN and I'm now having constant drop outs. Over the last 2 months the drop outs have made the internet connection somewhat unusable some days. It can have constant disconnections for a couple of days and then go several days with very few. Rang the ISP some time ago, over the stage of several days we went over the elimination process, new router, phone lead, they put me on a stability profile which essentially drops performance in the hope of a stable connection. None of this worked so they lodged a fault with NBN co.

A subbie for NBN co come over this week, even though my ISP did extensive testing and logs the subbie was not passed on any information from NBN co about the fault. After explaining it to him he ran a bunch of tests from both my wall socket and the box on the side of the house which essentially told him the copper is in good condition. The first two tests my upload failed the NBN minimum speed but the next one passed. He rang NBN co to ask for advice, they could see the constant drop outs and low upload speed looking over the logs but as the last test passed they advised him the job was a "fault not found". I told him that the issue isn't fixed, the drop outs aren't going to fix themselves, so he told me to just lodge a fault again through the ISP the next time it happens. Said next time he might change the pairs, inside the house.

Hours after he left the dropouts occurred again, contacted ISP who have now lodged another fault. Reading up and this isn't an uncommon problem with FTTN however the problem seems to be a nightmare to fix with people reporting NBN Co making over 5 visits to fix the problem which by all accounts seems to be a fault with the port at the node but this is the last thing NBN co look at.

I guess I'm an example of what the experts advised was a failure of a NBN policy this coalition government implemented.

FTTN is a classic case of running a square peg in a round hole. It's akin to expecting CD quality audio from a cassette tape. I've had FTTP for two years and no dropouts yet. Copper is the weakest link no matter how hot it gets

 

[overhang]

Just to update I rang the ISP today as I hadn't heard anything since they lodged the last fault. Turns out NBN co have closed the ticket, they sent the ISP logs they had and claimed these show I went 10 days without a dropout yet he said the very logs they sent show I had only 2 days out of 14 without a dropout. So they have lodged another fault and I'm back to square one.

 

[PZ99]

They should compensate you by replacing the copper with fiber to the house.

You're paying for a technology that isn't working.

 

[HelloU]

wow..feel ur frustration.
I will avoid comments on a government entity keeping data on you..........could i suggest you have a contract with ur ISP, not the NBN (their relationship with NBN is not your relationship)......the last time I dealt with the ombudsman I got a complaint number and a 'special' phone number for my provider. It got very quick results cos the ombudsman charges the provider for each part of the investigation until it is concluded, and that comes off their bottom line.

 

[Smurf1976]

FTTN is a classic case of running a square peg in a round hole. It's akin to expecting CD quality audio from a cassette tape.

There have been plenty of examples over the years where an old technology tried to mimic a new and vastly improved one.

Combined rail and air trips across continents are one and gas powered radios are another. Various contraptions to turn B&W TV pictures into colour were another one that were around briefly. Mid-1980's attempts to do fancy things with jumping from song to song on cassette tapes just as CD's were starting to become popular were another and may as well mention AM stereo broadcasting as well when FM was already available.

Without fail these things are at best a limited improvement over the original old tech and come nowhere near truly replicating the new tech. They tend to be around for a few years at most before disappearing altogether and rarely achieve mass adoption. Most non-enthusiast consumers never did buy an AM stereo receiver and they never bought a proper fancy cassette deck either because in both cases there was already something else that was better.

It has happend many times and this will be another case of that almost certainly. The future might be FTTP or it might be 5G wireless but it isn't likely to be FTTN.